eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Sept 3, 2016 22:51:36 GMT -5
That whole release by our fearless leader sounds like more PC pandering than it does action. He's going to add some faculty and a new department? That will be shut down once the microscope goes away and it's not feasible to maintain. He'll give special considerations for the descendants? I'll be looking for how they are monitoring that other than highlighting one or two case studies in the near term. Taking the names of the buildings is likely the only actionable item that will be noticed in the long-term but that to will be forgotten. and what would you recommend be done? You can't fix something like this now to anyone's satsifaction. The university is giving lip service to look like they are "trying" to help. The issue either goes away or you give back the land and university to those wronged as that's how the issue divides with the people on either side.
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Hoyaholic
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Post by Hoyaholic on Sept 3, 2016 23:22:42 GMT -5
Can you please provide some additional clarification of your position, because it appears that you are saying that the only proper reparation is for GU to "give back" the land to the descendants of the victims. I will take the bait and point out that the victims never owned the land, or the University, so it cannot be "given back" to them.
I may not know everything about this situation, but I am pretty proud of the University's response. I am sure there are countless organizations, for profit or not, that have willfully not addressed their participation in the slave trade.
Whether or not the University's policy is "lip service" will be determined in its execution.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Sept 3, 2016 23:36:55 GMT -5
Can you please provide some additional clarification of your position, because it appears that you are saying that the only proper reparation is for GU to "give back" the land to the descendants of the victims. I will take the bait and point out that the victims never owned the land, or the University, so it cannot be "given back" to them. I may not know everything about this situation, but I am pretty proud of the University's response. I am sure there are countless organizations, for profit or not, that have willfully not addressed their participation in the slave trade. Whether or not the University's policy is "lip service" will be determined in its execution. We'll put you in the vote for lip service which I think most here are for as it does nothing other than to say things that don't do or change anything. You question things like it "cannot" but I disagree. If we are going that far back, I think we'd find much more to question about what happened and who would be entitled. Again, we give lip service about helping those afflicted to make it go away. Just calling this for what it is as much as I'm certain the University will be flawless in its execution of handling this.
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Post by tashoya on Sept 4, 2016 12:14:48 GMT -5
Can you please provide some additional clarification of your position, because it appears that you are saying that the only proper reparation is for GU to "give back" the land to the descendants of the victims. I will take the bait and point out that the victims never owned the land, or the University, so it cannot be "given back" to them. I may not know everything about this situation, but I am pretty proud of the University's response. I am sure there are countless organizations, for profit or not, that have willfully not addressed their participation in the slave trade. Whether or not the University's policy is "lip service" will be determined in its execution. We'll put you in the vote for lip service which I think most here are for as it does nothing other than to say things that don't do or change anything. You question things like it "cannot" but I disagree. If we are going that far back, I think we'd find much more to question about what happened and who would be entitled. Again, we give lip service about helping those afflicted to make it go away. Just calling this for what it is as much as I'm certain the University will be flawless in its execution of handling this. Respectfully, I think you're missing the point entirely. I don't think anyone is deluded enough to think that anything will be fixed. No amount of reparations would erase history. If, however, you think no value can come from the discussion and examination of the past, I guess we'll have to disagree.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 6, 2016 19:07:50 GMT -5
and what would you recommend be done? You can't fix something like this now to anyone's satsifaction. The university is giving lip service to look like they are "trying" to help. The issue either goes away or you give back the land and university to those wronged as that's how the issue divides with the people on either side. That is really NOT "how the issue divided with the people on either side." It's a straw man - one that is most often deployed by those who are strongly opposed to the concept of reparations and want to paint those in favor as totally unreasonable and unrealistic by claiming they want to de facto destroy any institution that has been touched by slavery. It requires a major presumption of bad faith to believe that this is what descendants want - to somehow 'take back' "the land and university." There are plenty of examples, past and present, of individuals receiving reparations in some form or fashions for wrongs done to them or their relatives. These reparations did not require large-scale land transfer into private holdings. Germany's Holocaust reparations did not entail it becoming a province of Israel. France did not provide reparations to Jews who suffered in World War II by giving them the Vichy territories as their own personal estates. The US agreement for reparations to interned Japanese-Americans did not entail giving them California to do with as they please. The actual arguments/details are difficult enough; no need to muddy the waters even further.
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Post by DallasHoya on Sept 7, 2016 21:25:57 GMT -5
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Post by GUMBA on Sept 8, 2016 15:06:17 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Sept 8, 2016 17:08:03 GMT -5
Forgive? Yes. Forget? No.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 8, 2016 17:19:57 GMT -5
It's far too easy for non-African American members of this board, such as myself, to tell African-Americans how they should be feeling and whether to forgive and/or forget. We cannot relate to their personal experiences, no matter how hard we try to do so.
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Post by ksf42001 on Sept 9, 2016 12:49:43 GMT -5
"A spokeswoman for Georgetown, Stacy Kerr, said in an email Thursday that they look forward to engaging with the group and learning more about their work." That's a very polite way to say "Yeah, no..."
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Post by Hoyaholic on Sept 11, 2016 0:38:51 GMT -5
"A spokeswoman for Georgetown, Stacy Kerr, said in an email Thursday that they look forward to engaging with the group and learning more about their work." That's a very polite way to say "Yeah, no..." Perhaps. Or the school is being very careful in responding to an extremely sensitive topic.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 11, 2016 13:32:38 GMT -5
It's far too easy for non-African American members of this board, such as myself, to tell African-Americans how they should be feeling and whether to forgive and/or forget. Actually it's not.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Sept 11, 2016 18:27:07 GMT -5
It's far too easy for non-African American members of this board, such as myself, to tell African-Americans how they should be feeling and whether to forgive and/or forget. Actually it's not. Like I said, either hand over the keys to the school or move on. This won't end with "dialogue" as those here seem to propose. I'm being realistic in my posts on this subject and I fully understand both sides. It's a terrible situation all the way back to African tribes selling rival tribes to Europeans that started this - blame for everyone. Not sure how you fix that now but I don't think this current course will work. Either go all the way and give it all back or move forward and make things better than they were.
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