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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 13, 2016 14:21:19 GMT -5
Primarily, I think the new coach needs to be a really solid recruiter. That really is the primary job of assistants. And, while I think Broadus and Hardy have done a nice job recruiting, having three solid recruiters out there versus two is a huge benefit.
I do think somebody who was a recruiter AND a defensive specialist would really be a huge help to the team. And, as much as some people focus on the offense and point guards (sorry, glide), if we are going to talk about X's and O's, it was the defense that needed the most help last year, by far. Luckily, defense is teachable, so it's something that I think can be turned around with focus, practice, and instruction.
I just don't think we can afford to have a "dead" assistant slot on someone who cannot recruit. Recruiting is important to the overall outcome on the court to not go all in on assistants that can recruit. Of course, it's not one or the other. The ideal is somebody who brings recruiting and other attributes.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 13, 2016 14:43:39 GMT -5
TO BE HONEST, THE HOYAS NEED A POINT GUARD COACH! no they just need a point guard.
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Post by dense on Apr 13, 2016 14:46:05 GMT -5
Primarily, I think the new coach needs to be a really solid recruiter. That really is the primary job of assistants. And, while I think Broadus and Hardy have done a nice job recruiting, having three solid recruiters out there versus two is a huge benefit. I do think somebody who was a recruiter AND a defensive specialist would really be a huge help to the team. And, as much as some people focus on the offense and point guards (sorry, glide), if we are going to talk about X's and O's, it was the defense that needed the most help last year, by far. Luckily, defense is teachable, so it's something that I think can be turned around with focus, practice, and instruction. I just don't think we can afford to have a "dead" assistant slot on someone who cannot recruit. Recruiting is important to the overall outcome on the court to not go all in on assistants that can recruit. Of course, it's not one or the other. The ideal is somebody who brings recruiting and other attributes. Alot of assumptions that someone cant recruit, maybe Pat is a natural. Wont know till he gets out there but he will get the ear of alot of coaches just on the strength of his dad. If you want a proven recruiter thats gonna be hard to swing unless you grab an AAU coach and just hire him strictly for some tie. I'd rather use that slot for a former player who potentially can be a good coach. Trust me if Pat were not BB ops, I'd be pushing for Othella. Also I hope we give it to Pat so Tyler Adams can come back and take Pat's job. Tyler wants to coach, talks about it on twitter all the time.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 13, 2016 14:58:25 GMT -5
Need a recruiter. III knows plenty about strategy, Xs and Os, etc.I hope he doesn't believe he knows all there is to know on this stuff.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Apr 13, 2016 15:02:43 GMT -5
TO BE HONEST, THE HOYAS NEED A POINT GUARD COACH! hoyas don't need a point guard. That's just a label. Our guys can play 1-5.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 13, 2016 15:19:51 GMT -5
Primarily, I think the new coach needs to be a really solid recruiter. That really is the primary job of assistants. And, while I think Broadus and Hardy have done a nice job recruiting, having three solid recruiters out there versus two is a huge benefit. I do think somebody who was a recruiter AND a defensive specialist would really be a huge help to the team. And, as much as some people focus on the offense and point guards (sorry, glide), if we are going to talk about X's and O's, it was the defense that needed the most help last year, by far. Luckily, defense is teachable, so it's something that I think can be turned around with focus, practice, and instruction. I just don't think we can afford to have a "dead" assistant slot on someone who cannot recruit. Recruiting is important to the overall outcome on the court to not go all in on assistants that can recruit. Of course, it's not one or the other. The ideal is somebody who brings recruiting and other attributes. Alot of assumptions that someone cant recruit, maybe Pat is a natural. Wont know till he gets out there but he will get the ear of alot of coaches just on the strength of his dad. If you want a proven recruiter thats gonna be hard to swing unless you grab an AAU coach and just hire him strictly for some tie. I'd rather use that slot for a former player who potentially can be a good coach. Trust me if Pat were not BB ops, I'd be pushing for Othella. Also I hope we give it to Pat so Tyler Adams can come back and take Pat's job. Tyler wants to coach, talks about it on twitter all the time. dense, my post wasn't directed at Patrick Ewing Jr. If JT3 felt like Patrick Ewing Jr. would be a good recruiter, then maybe that would be a good decision. My bigger point is, I don't think we should hire someone whose primary strength is something other than recruiting, since recruiting is so important. I am not saying we necessarily need someone proven, though obviously it's easier to evaluate someone with a record.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 13, 2016 15:30:55 GMT -5
Need a recruiter. III knows plenty about strategy, Xs and Os, etc.I hope he doesn't believe he knows all there is to know on this stuff. He knows more than enough to do his job well. The area of most need is now and at almost all times is recruiting. For what it is worth, I think III and his staff are better than average on Xs and Os. However, at any time, I would agree to make Xs and Os 20% worse for 10% better players. In a heartbeat.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 14, 2016 0:37:32 GMT -5
Need a recruiter. III knows plenty about strategy, Xs and Os, etc.I hope he doesn't believe he knows all there is to know on this stuff. Do you have any evidence that he does think that?
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Post by sleepy on Apr 14, 2016 10:31:07 GMT -5
I hope he doesn't believe he knows all there is to know on this stuff. Do you have any evidence that he does think that? We need evidence on this board. When did that start?
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 14, 2016 10:43:37 GMT -5
I hope he doesn't believe he knows all there is to know on this stuff. He knows more than enough to do his job well. The area of most need is now and at almost all times is recruiting. For what it is worth, I think III and his staff are better than average on Xs and Os. However, at any time, I would agree to make Xs and Os 20% worse for 10% better players. In a heartbeat. From a recruiting rankings standpoint, the Hoyas have had superior players to every other conference team since the new Big East was born. Yet, we've missed the NCAAs 2 out of 3 years. To me, talent is not the problem with this program. We've consistently had more than enough talent to be a top tier Big East team. So the problem is either A) the coaching staff isn't developing its talent as well as other programs; or B) the coaching staff isn't utilizing its talent as well as other programs from an Xs/Os standpoint. Given that, why would we focus on another recruiter when it's clearly what Broadus and Hardy are both best at, compared to the development and Xs/Os part? Put another way, how many NCAA tournament games have the Hoyas won since Robert Burke left the coaching staff?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 14, 2016 10:53:56 GMT -5
While the Hoyas may have decent talent, and players who look good/ decent from the standpoint of rankings, I do not think anyone believes the Hoyas had the most raw talent of Big East teams this year. 'Nova, SHU, and Xavier were superior. Perhaps it is a different story is White and Agua play, but I am talking about the team that actually played.
Also, as MANY others have pointed out, it is not just about raw talent, but how those pieces fit together, and that has not allows been ideal for the Hoyas.
Recruit, recruit, recruit- the rest will work out over time.
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Post by Filo on Apr 15, 2016 13:28:59 GMT -5
He knows more than enough to do his job well. The area of most need is now and at almost all times is recruiting. For what it is worth, I think III and his staff are better than average on Xs and Os. However, at any time, I would agree to make Xs and Os 20% worse for 10% better players. In a heartbeat. From a recruiting rankings standpoint, the Hoyas have had superior players to every other conference team since the new Big East was born. Yet, we've missed the NCAAs 2 out of 3 years. To me, talent is not the problem with this program. We've consistently had more than enough talent to be a top tier Big East team. So the problem is either A) the coaching staff isn't developing its talent as well as other programs; or B) the coaching staff isn't utilizing its talent as well as other programs from an Xs/Os standpoint. Given that, why would we focus on another recruiter when it's clearly what Broadus and Hardy are both best at, compared to the development and Xs/Os part? Put another way, how many NCAA tournament games have the Hoyas won since Robert Burke left the coaching staff? Very difficult to argue with this (although I see that some are trying). I think it is revisionist history to downplay the talent level of the team (as compared to other BE teams). If some disagree and say that the recruiting / rankings of the GU players may have been stellar but that did not match the talent level, then that still is on the coaching staff. Again, either way -- whether is is the X and Os or imperfect talent evaluation -- the coaching staff failed miserably this year.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 15, 2016 14:08:45 GMT -5
Do you have any evidence that he does think that? We need evidence on this board. When did that start? Poorly worded on my part. I should've asked if hoyaboya has any objective basis that JT3 "believe he knows all there is to know on this stuff."
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 15, 2016 15:30:12 GMT -5
Of course, that means finding the right guy. A former, respected PG would be a great place to start - Don't you need to graduate to become an assistant coach?
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 15, 2016 19:03:14 GMT -5
Of course, that means finding the right guy. A former, respected PG would be a great place to start - Don't you need to graduate to become an assistant coach? Did I ever suggest otherwise? Not sure where you are going here Professor.
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Post by bicentennial on Apr 15, 2016 19:31:01 GMT -5
Could be an AI reference? I would love to have Wallace come back possibly while he attends law school as a member of the coaching staff.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 15, 2016 19:56:35 GMT -5
Don't you need to graduate to become an assistant coach? Did I ever suggest otherwise? Not sure where you are going here Professor. I assumed you meant AI when you said "former" point guard. I mean who else do we have that could realistically come in and coach while also being a draw for current kids and recruits. Chris Wright, Sleepy Floyd, Charles Smith?
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Post by vv83 on Apr 15, 2016 20:52:58 GMT -5
Pat Ewing Jr. is at the UnderArmour NYC event. The picture just posted on Twitter shows him decked out in Georgetown gear, sitting near Brey, Calipari, Izzo and a bunch of other coaches. This could well mean that he has been promoted to Sutton's assistant coach position. Otherwise I don't think he could be out recruiting.
Could it be a temporary promotion while they do a more complete search process for a permanent replacement? Anyone know what the NCAA rules would be on something like this? Definitely best to have three coaches out there with JTIII during this important recruiting weekend, so a temp promotion would make some sense.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 15, 2016 21:12:06 GMT -5
Pat Ewing Jr. is at the UnderArmour NYC event. The picture just posted on Twitter shows him decked out in Georgetown gear, sitting near Brey, Calipari, Izzo and a bunch of other coaches. This could well mean that he has been promoted to Sutton's assistant coach position. Otherwise I don't think he could be out recruiting. Could it be a temporary promotion while they do a more complete search process for a permanent replacement? Anyone know what the NCAA rules would be on something like this? Definitely best to have three coaches out there with JTIII during this important recruiting weekend, so a temp promotion would make some sense. At first I was down on the idea but after seeing this I'm for it, if he approaches coaching\recruiting with half the effort he put into playing ball he may do very well..
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 15, 2016 21:30:48 GMT -5
Always loved him as a player and hopefully more to come if he's elevated in his coaching position. I think with his determination and name brand it's worth giving him an opportunity.
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