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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 28, 2016 9:16:01 GMT -5
Edit* Dense is right. It doesn't mean that he won't be good but if his guide hand is always on top of the ball that is a problem with his shooting technique. ![](//storage.proboards.com/1258798/thumbnailer/0C_ZpwPvE2NXKj8yDPjv.jpg)
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Post by s4hoyas on Apr 28, 2016 9:33:00 GMT -5
Not to nitpick with you, but you say he's "shooting directly in front of his face"...looks to me like the ball is above his head (though as I said with a somewhat low release point)...I think that's actually better than shooting from the side of your head (although "different strokes")...as far as his right hand on top of the ball...where do you think it should be?...the sidespin issue is only a factor if you grip the ball too much with the guide arm as opposed to just lightly cradling/resting the ball in it...I've seen a lot of guys with slightly imperfect/funky shooting mechanics that are very good shooters and lots whose form was right out of Basketball Digest who were relatively poor shooters...one thing he does that's interesting is he kind of "scissors" his legs when finishing his stroke...again, a bit unusual but as long as he can keep his balance and square up his shots, not a problem...I think he'll be a solid 35-40% three point shooter but he's also a good mid range shooter/scorer, which is something we lacked last year...plus, he's a very good rebounder for a guard/wing (8rbs.last year) which is another need for us, so I think he'll be a multiple contributor without having to feel like he has to be "the Man."
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 28, 2016 9:47:06 GMT -5
Agreed, his guide hand is in an unusual position. That said, as long as his guide hand is stable and he releases his guide hand prior to the shot leaving his primary hand....it's fine.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 28, 2016 10:23:06 GMT -5
Dense, check out his highlight video. He repeats his form. I have seen it but all those are makes, but i see why he shot 43% from 3 one year and 29% last year. They lost their two scoring threats from the team that went to the tourney where he did well against Duke when he shot 43%. Last year he was the only offensive weapon plus he suffered a concussion. They say this is the reason his 3ptnpercentage went down while the rest of his stats went up. He did improve his free throw percentage to 86%
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 28, 2016 10:33:07 GMT -5
Who remembers Michael Adams (from Benedict Arnold University, and then the NBA)? Unconventional shooting form, to say the least- but it went in a lot, so no worries.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 28, 2016 10:45:58 GMT -5
They lost their two scoring threats from the team that went to the tourney where he did well against Duke when he shot 43%. Last year he was the only offensive weapon plus he suffered a concussion. They say this is the reason his 3ptnpercentage went down while the rest of his stats went up. He did improve his free throw percentage to 86% It's also noteworthy that while Robert Morris was a decent team in 2015 (175 on KenPom, won the NEC tournament), they stunk in 2016 (ranked 306 on KenPom, finished 8 of 10 in the NEC). Pryor actually took slightly more threes in 2015, when he shot them at a better rate, than he did last year. Given that the team was much worse last year, Pryor likely had to create for himself and/or take a lot more contested threes than the previous season. I actually think that's part of the reason why DSR's numbers went down this past season as well - he took a lot more threes, but he took a lot more contested ones, so it's not surprising his percentages went down. The fact that Pryor shot free throws at 86% and has shown he's a good shooter in the past doesn't really have me worried about his shooting even with the low three point percentage last season. And even at the 29% he shot threes last season, it was still better than Copeland's numbers and Campbell's numbers. I think he'll do better than that this season, though (and hopefully Copeland and Campbell will too).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 11:12:52 GMT -5
I love this board ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) .... Carry on folks
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Post by dense on Apr 28, 2016 15:16:43 GMT -5
I love this board ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) .... Carry on folks I know i just made a comment on his form looks terrible in a photo and now its a judgement on that means he sucks. I never said that, i just worried about consistency with it. Thats it. I havent seen him enough to know. I make fun of Shawn Marions form too. I dont think he sucks.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 28, 2016 17:09:10 GMT -5
I love this board ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) .... Carry on folks I know i just made a comment on his form looks terrible in a photo and now its a judgement on that means he sucks. I never said that, i just worried about consistency with it. Thats it. I havent seen him enough to know. I make fun of Shawn Marions form too. I dont think he sucks. Usually you have some kind of messed up form when you have a disfigured finger like Shawn Marion or Larry Bird. (Warning: Don't google Shawn Marion's finger).
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Post by kchoya on Apr 28, 2016 17:30:23 GMT -5
I love this board ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) .... Carry on folks Hoyatalk - where one can diagnose the flaws in a player's shooting form based off a photo from the Internet. Also, where people bitch about the shooting form of a graduate transfer who shot 42% from three two seasons ago, and averaged 18-8-2 last season.
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Post by dense on Apr 28, 2016 18:06:52 GMT -5
I love this board ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) .... Carry on folks Hoyatalk - where one can diagnose the flaws in a player's shooting form based off a photo from the Internet. Also, where people bitch about the shooting form of a graduate transfer who shot 42% from three two seasons ago, and averaged 18-8-2 last season. Lol, hoyatalk where someone can call it bitching when I just made a comment about it. Also I played and coached basketball so I can look at that photo and definitely see the problems sorry. I'm sure a doctor can watch a video can come up with some diagnosis of an injury.
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Post by dense on Apr 28, 2016 18:17:12 GMT -5
Not to nitpick with you, but you say he's "shooting directly in front of his face"...looks to me like the ball is above his head (though as I said with a somewhat low release point)...I think that's actually better than shooting from the side of your head (although "different strokes")...as far as his right hand on top of the ball...where do you think it should be?...the sidespin issue is only a factor if you grip the ball too much with the guide arm as opposed to just lightly cradling/resting the ball in it...I've seen a lot of guys with slightly imperfect/funky shooting mechanics that are very good shooters and lots whose form was right out of Basketball Digest who were relatively poor shooters...one thing he does that's interesting is he kind of "scissors" his legs when finishing his stroke...again, a bit unusual but as long as he can keep his balance and square up his shots, not a problem...I think he'll be a solid 35-40% three point shooter but he's also a good mid range shooter/scorer, which is something we lacked last year...plus, he's a very good rebounder for a guard/wing (8rbs.last year) which is another need for us, so I think he'll be a multiple contributor without having to feel like he has to be "the Man." Think of it this way if the ball goes in front of both your eyes on the way up you lose the target in your jump while you are about to release your shot. The ball should be out in front to the hand you shoot with slightly. That picture it appears to be directly in that eye line like if you symetrically cut the ball in half, half of it would be on both sides of his body. Like Ive said, you can be a great shoter without perfect form, Reggie Miller is the glaring example how he crosses his hands over on the follow thru. I just was making a comment from a photo not saying what kind of player he was going to be for us.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 29, 2016 0:03:31 GMT -5
It's worth noting a player's past FT % is generally more predictive of future 3pt% than past 3pt%.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 21:32:45 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 9:11:46 GMT -5
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Post by iheartdurenbros on May 11, 2016 10:27:17 GMT -5
I love Pryor's tweet.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 11, 2016 18:49:30 GMT -5
Exactly. ALL about the team.
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Post by ksf42001 on May 17, 2016 10:33:43 GMT -5
You can tell Pryor will be the elder statesman on the team when he makes dragonball z references in his tweets...
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 8:02:01 GMT -5
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