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Post by beenaround on Mar 27, 2016 22:17:21 GMT -5
UNC fix is in. Notre Dame team with Zack Auguste on the roster will not be allowed to play tonight. Notre Dame cannot beat Syracuse. We reluctantly have to root for Syracuse. The 2 programs deserve each other. Call it the Slimyfinal? The scummyfinal? I would not root for Syracuse against ISIS
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 27, 2016 22:30:37 GMT -5
The order of preference for winning it all....
1- Oklahoma
2 - UNC...barely....but in part because an appearance in the Finals means they knocked off You Know Who in the semis
3- Villanova
4 - Zika virus
9999999999999999 - Cuse
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 28, 2016 5:53:00 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Mar 28, 2016 7:46:01 GMT -5
In Disney with the family. Just had a lovely young lady from University of Oklahoma check us in for breakfast. Clearly a sign that the Sooners will rescue me from this NCAA perdition.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 28, 2016 7:53:11 GMT -5
I hate 'Nova, but I love the Big East and thus will root for them...choke...cough...ouch.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 28, 2016 7:58:25 GMT -5
People have a hard time admitting to it because Cuse does it. I get that. But, playing a 2-3 zone ALL the time is very effective if you can do it right. I know they pressed last night, and that helped them, but a zone keeps you out of foul trouble, and lets you play 6-7 guys all night. Yes, you are going to give up more 3 than you like but it still neutralizes offenses. A big part of that comeback was that Syracuse had like 3 fouls in the 2nd half until 8-9 minutes left in the game.
I said from day 1 that III should have stayed at the zone all year. I know we sucked at it, but it couldn't have been worse than the parade of 30+ fouls a night. I hope we go back to it next year. We should be practicing it from day 1.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 28, 2016 8:02:16 GMT -5
I hate 'Nova, but I love the Big East and thus will root for them...choke...cough...ouch. Let's go Sooners.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 28, 2016 8:03:44 GMT -5
I'd like to see Villanova beat Oklahoma and then lose to UNC in such a soul-crushing fashion that their fans can't even look back on the season in an enjoyable way.
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 28, 2016 8:24:17 GMT -5
The order of preference for winning it all.... 1- Oklahoma 2 - UNC...barely....but in part because an appearance in the Finals means they knocked off You Know Who in the semis 3- Villanova 4 - Zika virus 9999999999999999 - Cuse I'm sure most on this board would agree with your list. Strangely, I find myself happily rooting for nova. A national championship for a BE school it's 3rd year into the new league would be huge for the conference. Further, if nova were to win, I think it would only act to light a fire under our administration. If they can do it (with our rejects no less), why can't we!
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 28, 2016 8:30:57 GMT -5
The order of preference for winning it all.... 1- Oklahoma 2 - UNC...barely....but in part because an appearance in the Finals means they knocked off You Know Who in the semis 3- Villanova 4 - Zika virus 9999999999999999 - Cuse I'm sure most on this board would agree with your list. Strangely, I find myself happily rooting for nova. A national championship for a BE school it's 3rd year into the new league would be huge for the conference. Further, if nova were to win, I think it would only act to light a fire under our administration. If they can do it (with our rejects no less), why can't we! I agree with you to an extent. It would look good, but it doesn't necessarily help as much as people think. The conference needs to have depth. Just look at UConn and the American. In the first year of that league, UConn won the NC. In 2015, the conference got zero respect from the selection committee. Yes, the BE is a better conference than the American, but I don't see a Villanova NC being transformative in terms of public perception without better conference depth.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 28, 2016 8:52:09 GMT -5
Plus, Nova and the Coke-sniffing point guard stole our dynasty. I will hate them and their self-satisfied Main Line fans into eternity.
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Post by guru on Mar 28, 2016 8:58:49 GMT -5
Plus, Nova and the Coke-sniffing point guard stole our dynasty. I will hate them and their self-satisfied Main Line fans into eternity. Apparently not even the Happiest Place on Earth has an effect on your disposition. Go see Mickey!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 28, 2016 9:00:27 GMT -5
Notre Dame cannot beat Syracuse. We reluctantly have to root for Syracuse. The 2 programs deserve each other. Call it the Slimyfinal? The scummyfinal? I would not root for Syracuse against ISIS My bad. I meant to say we had to root for UNC last night because they can beat Syracuse. I fixed it, to keep any heads from exploding.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 28, 2016 9:16:01 GMT -5
People have a hard time admitting to it because Cuse does it. I get that. But, playing a 2-3 zone ALL the time is very effective if you can do it right. I know they pressed last night, and that helped them, but a zone keeps you out of foul trouble, and lets you play 6-7 guys all night. Yes, you are going to give up more 3 than you like but it still neutralizes offenses. A big part of that comeback was that Syracuse had like 3 fouls in the 2nd half until 8-9 minutes left in the game. I said from day 1 that III should have stayed at the zone all year. I know we sucked at it, but it couldn't have been worse than the parade of 30+ fouls a night. I hope we go back to it next year. We should be practicing it from day 1. It's very, very difficult to play the zone like they do. And, having watched so many of their games now for longer than I care to admit, Boeheim has gotten better and better at it as time has gone on. First, they recruit specifically to the zone. They have long wing spans all over the court. Relatedly, guys who are good in the zone wouldn't be good at all playing a straight man for various reasons. (Their guards, for example, don't need to prevent dribble penetration.) Second, they're extremely good at contesting at the rim without fouling. Why? because the guys at those spots are, by definition, always "helping." They aren't guarding a man. So, they don't have to worry about trying to stay in front or body someone up -- the sorts of things that get big men fouls. Instead, they're almost always sliding over from somewhere else and sticking their arms straight up. Sure, they get away with contact there, but by and large, they're very well drilled in it. That's very hard to teach. But the fact that they never play any other defense makes it easier. Third, and most importantly, they are able to take away specific things depending on who they're playing. I think this is the biggest mistake their opponents make. Commentators, fans (like us), and it seems to me opposing teams always fall into the lazy analysis that you need to force the ball to the foul line, make them collapse, and then pass accordingly. But if that's what you're always trying to do, they'll basically turn their zone into a 3-2 and take that away. Or, if like Gonzaga, you're trying to post up, they'll take that away. You have to do different things against them -- run different rotations; go five out then four out then three out; etc. Anyway, I think we would have given up more uncontested layups (because we didn't know how to rotate) and our bigs would have gotten into more foul trouble (because when they did rotate, it would have been late, and they would have fouled). It would have cut down on fouls to the guys playing at the top of the zone, and maybe helped LJ a bit if he were playing there, but I don't think it would have been a net positive. Bottom line: it's HARDER to play a decent zone than it is to play decent man. That's not true in eighth grade, where you can just pack in a zone and dare teams to shoot. But it's true at this level where you can't do that.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 28, 2016 9:44:08 GMT -5
Plus, Nova and the Coke-sniffing point guard stole our dynasty. I will hate them and their self-satisfied Main Line fans into eternity. Apparently not even the Happiest Place on Earth has an effect on your disposition. Go see Mickey! What is it about hating Nova that wouldn't make me happy. Just rooting for OU and UNC to annihilate their rat bastard opponents in Saturday.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 28, 2016 10:40:09 GMT -5
In the smallest silver lining, I think we just saw Boeheim's last win. If he doesn't walk away now, he's a bigger fool than I thought. He can stay around another year or two and get forced out, or he can leave now while he can still give everyone the finger. I don't think we'll see him on the sidelines next year. True, but it'll get vacated anyway
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Post by hoyadestroya on Mar 28, 2016 12:00:27 GMT -5
Crazy how 3 out of the 4 teams in the FF the Hoyas have some deep rooted dark history with. If the Sooners can pull this out I'll shave my kids' heads Boz style. I'd do it but I don't have any to work with.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 30, 2016 6:11:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 6:48:37 GMT -5
People are forgetting the elephant in the room which is going to dramatically help Syracuse and Nova. And that is the venue. Playing in that dome is almost like playing outdoors. If you look at the history of playing there in the NCAA finals, the 3 point shooting by ALL of the teams has been abysmal. Syracuse gives up 3 point shots with their zone and Oklahoma is a great 3 point shooting team. However, shooting 3s in that dome is really really difficult.
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 30, 2016 6:52:10 GMT -5
People are forgetting the elephant in the room which is going to dramatically help Syracuse and Nova. And that is the venue. Playing in that dome is almost like playing outdoors. If you look at the history of playing there in the NCAA finals, the 3 point shooting by ALL of the teams has been abysmal. Syracuse gives up 3 point shots with their zone and Oklahoma is a great 3 point shooting team. However, shooting 3s in that dome is really really difficult. Maybe true, but if Cuse's threes are off as well, they might struggle to reach 50.
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