A Call to Arms... Legs, Minds, etc.

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Mar 7, 2016 10:24:36 GMT -5 @cam said:

Mar 6, 2016 21:31:39 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Here's an uplifting thought. Three years ago we slaughtered (61-39) Syracuse at home on the last game of the season and clinched a BE title. Sorta like Nova did to us. Two weeks later, at the Verizon Center Syracuse beat Marquette in the NCAA Eastern Regional title game and went to the Final 4. If those bums could do it why can't we?

Because we're a terrible, no-good, lousy basketball team?

I love this program, but this team was cooked weeks ago. Thanks for carrying the torch of enthusiasm, though!

LOL. Yeah, it really is a nice thought and I love the enthusiasm but this team is so broken that is is almost beyond belief. I haven't posted much around here lately because I just don't know what to say anymore. Still root for the guys and support the program, but man what a disaster this has been...

[SDHoya]

I love Hoyas basketball, but I just don't need the stress of watching the BET this year. I'll be back in the fall, rooting as hard as anyone with renewed hope, but this season is done. If they somehow manage to win the BET, terrific, but I just don't see that as a realistic possibility at this point.

And let's all be frank---if next year turns out anything like this year, people like me (and I'm sure I am not alone) will begin to turn off our sets and stubhub our seats much earlier in the season. I've got SDSU out here to scratch my NCAA bball itch, and I'm sure everyone else has many things to fill the time. So if we have another disaster, there better be real solutions from the administration coming---otherwise by October 2017, no one will be watching anymore.

[lichoya68]

WE WILL SEE just pride this year MAKE SOME NOISE in the big east thats all HUSTLE for FORTY MINUTES OR MORE you never know GO HOYAS

[drquigley]

Mar 7, 2016 14:33:24 GMT -5 SDHoya said:

I love Hoyas basketball, but I just don't need the stress of watching the BET this year. I'll be back in the fall, rooting as hard as anyone with renewed hope, but this season is done. If they somehow manage to win the BET, terrific, but I just don't see that as a realistic possibility at this point.

And let's all be frank---if next year turns out anything like this year, people like me (and I'm sure I am not alone) will begin to turn off our sets and stubhub our seats much earlier in the season. I've got SDSU out here to scratch my NCAA bball itch, and I'm sure everyone else has many things to fill the time. So if we have another disaster, there better be real solutions from the administration coming---otherwise by October 2017, no one will be watching anymore.

You gotta be kidding. And you consider yourself a fan? It's okay to bitch, call for a coaching change, rail about players, BUT if you don't have any "Wait til Next Year" in you then you aren't a real fan. I agree that this team stinks. But I'll be glued to the TV this BET week just in case and come October I'll be reading all I can about our new recruits and how we will "turn things around" this year. And if we stink next year I'll be screaming for JT3's head but come October 2017 I'll be reading all I can about our new recruits and how we will "turn things around" this year. I'm a fan and that's what fans do. You don't jump ship and if you do you forfeit your right to jump back on.

[seaweed]

Will be comfortably seated in Section 108 of THE Garden tomorrow evening, cheering on the Blue and Gray like I would any other March (except for the "being in the Wednesday play in" part, and the "therefore being able to afford lower bowl" part). Any notion of doing otherwise strikes me as kind of lame. We all saw the zhitshow that was this team through the season, we all saw the same ceiling so frustratingly high and now soaring so distantly out of reach.

The guys gacked the season away, I get that. They nevertheless represented our school with dignity, withstood adversity admirably and wore the uniform I support in a manner consistent with the reasons I root for my alma mater. They are students and take part in the school community. They have not breached any of their 'duties' to the school (they have none to me personally) through bad behavior, grumbling or acting out in the face of obviously painful struggles. And they have tried, consistently, to win games and achieve success for the school. They are good Hoyas even if they aren't a good team. I will be there to support them as long as they put on the uniform, lace up their boots and take the court in the glorious name of John Carroll and all Hoyas. Edited yeah I am waxing poetic - this place needs some motherghucking perspective dammit. Didn't someone somewhere once say "It's about more than basketball?" Well I am there to celebrate all the rest of it even if I have to suffer through what passes for Hoya basketball this year.

Or they could catch fire... you just never know

1-2-3 Fireballs

[SDHoya]

Mar 7, 2016 21:39:02 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Mar 7, 2016 14:33:24 GMT -5 SDHoya said:

I love Hoyas basketball, but I just don't need the stress of watching the BET this year. I'll be back in the fall, rooting as hard as anyone with renewed hope, but this season is done. If they somehow manage to win the BET, terrific, but I just don't see that as a realistic possibility at this point.

And let's all be frank---if next year turns out anything like this year, people like me (and I'm sure I am not alone) will begin to turn off our sets and stubhub our seats much earlier in the season. I've got SDSU out here to scratch my NCAA bball itch, and I'm sure everyone else has many things to fill the time. So if we have another disaster, there better be real solutions from the administration coming---otherwise by October 2017, no one will be watching anymore.

You gotta be kidding. And you consider yourself a fan? It's okay to bitch, call for a coaching change, rail about players, BUT if you don't have any "Wait til Next Year" in you then you aren't a real fan. I agree that this team stinks. But I'll be glued to the TV this BET week just in case and come October I'll be reading all I can about our new recruits and how we will "turn things around" this year. And if we stink next year I'll be screaming for JT3's head but come October 2017 I'll be reading all I can about our new recruits and how we will "turn things around" this year. I'm a fan and that's what fans do. You don't jump ship and if you do you forfeit your right to jump back on.

You're right DrQ, I'm not a real fan. I was just one of about 15 kids in the student section in Esh's last season, and until I moved out of DC last year I went to nearly every home game, as well as as often as possible travel to see the team in the NCAA and BE tournament, and in BE games in NYC, Philly and Morgantown. But because I, like 99% of the apparently "not real" fans who support Georgetown, are adults and have better things to do with our lives than watch a seemingly very avoidable head on collision with the modern version of college basketball, you clearly have an issue.

Maybe the problem is that you just didn't read my post all the way through---I'll give you the benefit of the doubt---and recap for you. I AM waiting for next year. But I, like most of the Georgetown fans, don't have endless patience for this type of garbage. In 2003, the administration made a change when things hit rock bottom. If they hadn't, the Hoyas would have been left with a fan base the size of Holy Cross's or CCNY's, because most fans (except for you apparently, bless your heart), would have looked for better things to do. JTIII and the current batch of Hoyas aren't that deep in misery quite yet, but if next year repeats anything like this one, it will be pretty darn close. It shouldn't be terribly controversial to say, that as ANY fan would, I will register my protest by moving on until the administration takes steps to get the program back on track.

I desperately hope that we put it back together next year, and I will be there in the fall with my Jeff Green jersey on yelling myself hoarse. We certainly have talent, and I do believe that a coach can instill the kind of organization and desire to make them gel and play focused, hard nosed, winning ball. I will root for JTIII to be that coach. But if he is not, its simply not worth my time to watch an organization that would apparently accept its second tier status.

[blueeagle]

Practical and tangible ways to show support for the program:

1. Go to games.
2. Do not cancel season tix if you can still afford them.
3. Continue to wear GTown gear with pride.
4. Do not bash the program when around non Hoyas. You can be critical but respectful.
5. Send letters to the staff and adminisitration with constructive suggestions. An honest assessment from a loyal fan's perspective may be very valuable for them to read.
6. I like the idea of new blood on the bench. An assistant coach that does nothing but coach defense. A strength and conditioning coach who applies NBA/Olympic level techniques to get our guys into shape. An analytics guy who can break down efficiency numbers in normal spoken English. A hype man.
7. We have alumni who work at the highest levels of world class sports franchises. Let's get them involved.

JTIII isn't going anywhere soon. An on campus arena is not in the pworks for the most recent campus plan. We have the recruits that we have and we have the players that are currently on the roster.

[drquigley]

Mar 8, 2016 11:36:05 GMT -5 SDHoya said:

Mar 7, 2016 21:39:02 GMT -5 drquigley said:

You gotta be kidding. And you consider yourself a fan? It's okay to bitch, call for a coaching change, rail about players, BUT if you don't have any "Wait til Next Year" in you then you aren't a real fan. I agree that this team stinks. But I'll be glued to the TV this BET week just in case and come October I'll be reading all I can about our new recruits and how we will "turn things around" this year. And if we stink next year I'll be screaming for JT3's head but come October 2017 I'll be reading all I can about our new recruits and how we will "turn things around" this year. I'm a fan and that's what fans do. You don't jump ship and if you do you forfeit your right to jump back on.

You're right DrQ, I'm not a real fan. I was just one of about 15 kids in the student section in Esh's last season, and until I moved out of DC last year I went to nearly every home game, as well as as often as possible travel to see the team in the NCAA and BE tournament, and in BE games in NYC, Philly and Morgantown. But because I, like 99% of the apparently "not real" fans who support Georgetown, are adults and have better things to do with our lives than watch a seemingly very avoidable head on collision with the modern version of college basketball, you clearly have an issue.

Maybe the problem is that you just didn't read my post all the way through---I'll give you the benefit of the doubt---and recap for you. I AM waiting for next year. But I, like most of the Georgetown fans, don't have endless patience for this type of garbage. In 2003, the administration made a change when things hit rock bottom. If they hadn't, the Hoyas would have been left with a fan base the size of Holy Cross's or CCNY's, because most fans (except for you apparently, bless your heart), would have looked for better things to do. JTIII and the current batch of Hoyas aren't that deep in misery quite yet, but if next year repeats anything like this one, it will be pretty darn close. It shouldn't be terribly controversial to say, that as ANY fan would, I will register my protest by moving on until the administration takes steps to get the program back on track.

I desperately hope that we put it back together next year, and I will be there in the fall with my Jeff Green jersey on yelling myself hoarse. We certainly have talent, and I do believe that a coach can instill the kind of organization and desire to make them gel and play focused, hard nosed, winning ball. I will root for JTIII to be that coach. But if he is not, its simply not worth my time to watch an organization that would apparently accept its second tier status.

I think I did misread your post and in many ways we agree. The difference is that as bad as we are now, and as bad as we may become, I just can't turn my back on the team. I will watch every head on collision and attend every game I can get to. And, if we don't improve next year I will definitely join the chorus calling for change. Meanwhile, as an adult with not much better to do with my life (as demonstrated by my over 500 posts) I will continue to make Hoya bball a big part of my November - March life.

[iheartdurenbros]

Mar 8, 2016 18:21:15 GMT -5 blueeagle said:

Practical and tangible ways to show support for the program:

1. Go to games.
2. Do not cancel season tix if you can still afford them.
3. Continue to wear GTown gear with pride.
4. Do not bash the program when around non Hoyas. You can be critical but respectful.
5. Send letters to the staff and adminisitration with constructive suggestions. An honest assessment from a loyal fan's perspective may be very valuable for them to read.
6. I like the idea of new blood on the bench. An assistant coach that does nothing but coach defense. A strength and conditioning coach who applies NBA/Olympic level techniques to get our guys into shape. An analytics guy who can break down efficiency numbers in normal spoken English. A hype man.
7. We have alumni who work at the highest levels of world class sports franchises. Let's get them involved.

JTIII isn't going anywhere soon. An on campus arena is not in the pworks for the most recent campus plan. We have the recruits that we have and we have the players that are currently on the roster.

Thanks for this post.

I would add that we should reach out to Hoya Hoops Club, Stonewalls, and other organizations. I have wondered if we can do some things to spread the spirit of the Stonewalls throughout Verizon. I think with some organization we can provide a better atmosphere for the players. Kenner League might provide some good opportunities.

I think we have to remember fandom is an act of faith. We are being reminded by many posters that blind faith is not a good thing, but fandom is an act of faith. And I still have mine.

[hoyalove4ever]

Mar 7, 2016 14:33:24 GMT -5 SDHoya said:

I love Hoyas basketball, but I just don't need the stress of watching the BET this year. I'll be back in the fall, rooting as hard as anyone with renewed hope, but this season is done. If they somehow manage to win the BET, terrific, but I just don't see that as a realistic possibility at this point.

And let's all be frank---if next year turns out anything like this year, people like me (and I'm sure I am not alone) will begin to turn off our sets and stubhub our seats much earlier in the season. I've got SDSU out here to scratch my NCAA bball itch, and I'm sure everyone else has many things to fill the time. So if we have another disaster, there better be real solutions from the administration coming---otherwise by October 2017, no one will be watching anymore.

Speak for yourself. If the next 100 games are just like the last one, I will still be fired up and ready to watch number 101...and onward. My fan support is in no way conditional.

[upstatesaxa]

Mar 5, 2016 22:04:39 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

Mar 5, 2016 22:00:14 GMT -5 njhoya78 said:

There are, in my view, a number of posters here who eagerly await the day that JT3, while wearing sackcloth and ashes, commits hara-kiri in Healy Circle. They have asserted, during the course of the year, that JT3's salary should be slashed, and that he should publicly flagellate himself or throw his assistants and players under the proverbial bus after each loss.

This season stunk. There's plenty of blame to go around. No one individual is above reproach. That being typed, I'm not convinced that the Hoyas are the Big East equivalent of the Titanic.

I'd argue in the new BE we are the Titanic and these poor catholic schools that signed on with us were hoodwinked.  

Sharpest and smartest observation made in this thread and on this board.  To the extent we squeezed any concessions or advantages based on the allure of our "brand," we did "get over" though the coming dip was neither forseeable or planned.  Those other schools, however, are doing OK for the most part (especially the one that "lucked into" finding a guy like Jay Wright to be its coach; something we supposedly couldn't pull off) and are on their own and need to figure things out for themselves.

I don't want JT3 to suffer any of the degradations laid out in njhoya's post.  I just want the school to actively manage its most prominent and significant program and to quit its laissez faire approach.

[upstatesaxa]

And looking at the team/program/coach with realistic eyes is not being disloyal

[nyhoya2]

Adding this comment here b/c it wasn't covered/ reached in the Alford discussion.

Agree with the general sentiment, but not with the ultimate decision on the Coach.

It's over a week since season end and as far as I can tell, there's no communication from the Coach or AD.

When you appeal to the alumni for years for support in building a new hoops facility, when you set post-season expectations that you fall miles short of, and when the program is clearly not moving forward it doesn't help that the AD and head coach are pretty much silent. The difference here with G'town is that the program reached out repeatedly for increased support in recent years to push the hoops facility across the finish line. Regardless of the program's approach to communications during the Thompson eras, I just think that's a questionable move now to be silent. The grades are coming in on the new hoops facility and they are well short of what some alumni were preached. There shouldn't just be communication when times are good.  This PR approach, or lack of, will likely not help with ticket sales.

[aleutianhoya]

Mar 25, 2016 9:21:31 GMT -5 nyhoya2 said:

Adding this comment here b/c it wasn't covered/ reached in the Alford discussion.

Agree with the general sentiment, but not with the ultimate decision on the Coach.

It's over a week since season end and as far as I can tell, there's no communication from the Coach or AD.

When you appeal to the alumni for years for support in building a new hoops facility, when you set post-season expectations that you fall miles short of, and when the program is clearly not moving forward it doesn't help that the AD and head coach are pretty much silent. The difference here with G'town is that the program reached out repeatedly for increased support in recent years to push the hoops facility across the finish line. Regardless of the program's approach to communications during the Thompson eras, I just think that's a questionable move now to be silent. The grades are coming in on the new hoops facility and they are well short of what some alumni were preached. There shouldn't just be communication when times are good.  This PR approach, or lack of, will likely not help with ticket sales.

What are you talking about on the new hoops facility? What is "well short of what some alumni" were told? Are you saying that the facility itself is coming up short (if so, I'd like to know how, because that's news to me)? Or are you saying that the team's performance despite the addition of the facility is coming up short (if so, there's the obvious point that it hasn't yet been completed)?

And let's be clear: you're the one with the post-season expectations. We have no idea what the AD or University's expectations are for the postseason.

More generally: I don't disagree that a general "we'll be trying like heck to get better next year" email or something wouldn't hurt. But anything more than that? It's a bit juvenile to take some perverse pleasure in wanting a grown man to publicly admit to failure when it's painfully obvious he knows the season stunk. I'm not really sure what good that does ultimately. But OK. If you're hoping for a communication that clearly sets out what the ramifications are after this season or what the bright-line necessity is in terms of performance for next year, well, that's comically misguided and unrealistic.

[Deleted]

Personally don't care about an email. No idea what that does except calm you down for a second. If we play like we did this year, next year, what did that email get me.... Nada

Rather than write an email or engage in some PR tour, would prefer him spending the time doing everything humanely possible to make the product on the court better.

[NCHoya]

Mar 25, 2016 9:21:31 GMT -5 nyhoya2 said:

Adding this comment here b/c it wasn't covered/ reached in the Alford discussion.

Agree with the general sentiment, but not with the ultimate decision on the Coach.

It's over a week since season end and as far as I can tell, there's no communication from the Coach or AD.

When you appeal to the alumni for years for support in building a new hoops facility, when you set post-season expectations that you fall miles short of, and when the program is clearly not moving forward it doesn't help that the AD and head coach are pretty much silent. The difference here with G'town is that the program reached out repeatedly for increased support in recent years to push the hoops facility across the finish line. Regardless of the program's approach to communications during the Thompson eras, I just think that's a questionable move now to be silent. The grades are coming in on the new hoops facility and they are well short of what some alumni were preached. There shouldn't just be communication when times are good.  This PR approach, or lack of, will likely not help with ticket sales.

You know what would be better than PR/communication? Landing a big time recruit for the future, like Taurean Thompson or Lykes. That would tell me III is busy with better things to do than publically admit he sucked this season. We all saw it, we all know it. It is over, move forward in a productive way.

[nyhoya2]

Greg Monroe = 0 NCAA wins

[kchoya]

Mar 25, 2016 13:20:02 GMT -5 nyhoya2 said:

Greg Monroe = 0 NCAA wins

What's your point?