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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 5, 2016 22:09:57 GMT -5
There are, in my view, a number of posters here who eagerly await the day that JT3, while wearing sackcloth and ashes, commits hara-kiri in Healy Circle. They have asserted, during the course of the year, that JT3's salary should be slashed, and that he should publicly flagellate himself or throw his assistants and players under the proverbial bus after each loss. This season stunk. There's plenty of blame to go around. No one individual is above reproach. That being typed, I'm not convinced that the Hoyas are the Big East equivalent of the Titanic. I'd argue in the new BE we are the Titanic and these poor catholic schools that signed on with us were hoodwinked. Eagle54, let's hold these positions for twelve months and revisit this conversation in early March 2017. I think it is fair to say that one of us will have reason to change his position at that time.
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Post by bicentennial on Mar 5, 2016 22:10:21 GMT -5
I am not sure that two top 5 teams makes the Big East a mid major conference. I still believe there is a good chance 40=50% of the league makes the NCAA. It is sad we are very unlikely to be one of them unless we win the BE tournament which at this point appears exceedingly unlikely. That being said, if Bradley Hayes is back and LJ and Copeland continue to play well and DSR gets some rest and gets his shot going a BE tournament run is not impossible!
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 5, 2016 22:14:17 GMT -5
I'd argue in the new BE we are the Titanic and these poor catholic schools that signed on with us were hoodwinked. Eagle54, let's hold these positions for twelve months and revisit this conversation in early March 2017. I think it is fair to say that one of us will have reason to change his position at that time. I'll take the lifeboat now and you can stay on the ship saluting all the way to the bottom. Maybe if LJ comes back and we use him properly w/o DSR holding this team back we can do something more than this year but I'm not sure I see a whole lot of promise going into next year.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 5, 2016 22:16:48 GMT -5
I am not sure that two top 5 teams makes the Big East a mid major conference. I still believe there is a good chance 40=50% of the league makes the NCAA. It is sad we are very unlikely to be one of them unless we win the BE tournament which at this point appears exceedingly unlikely. That being said, if Bradley Hayes is back and LJ and Copeland continue to play well and DSR gets some rest and gets his shot going a BE tournament run is not impossible! Have you watched any of these games? BE will put five teams in the tournament and will likely have one sweet sixteen appearance and no elite eight. I hope I'm wrong but teams like Nova and Xavier aren't battle tested because they play in this conference. We are a big part of the blame for that.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 5, 2016 22:17:17 GMT -5
Eagle54, let's hold these positions for twelve months and revisit this conversation in early March 2017. I think it is fair to say that one of us will have reason to change his position at that time. I'll take the lifeboat now and you can stay on the ship saluting all the way to the bottom. Maybe if LJ comes back and we use him properly w/o DSR holding this team back we can do something more than this year but I'm not sure I see a whole lot of promise going into next year. Well, if you want to board the lifeboat now, be my guest. And if JT3 does in fact turn this around next year, do us a favor and stay in your lifeboat.
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 5, 2016 22:19:51 GMT -5
I'll take the lifeboat now and you can stay on the ship saluting all the way to the bottom. Maybe if LJ comes back and we use him properly w/o DSR holding this team back we can do something more than this year but I'm not sure I see a whole lot of promise going into next year. Well, if you want to board the lifeboat now, be my guest. And if JT3 does in fact turn this around next year, do us a favor and stay in your lifeboat. Gladly, but just to warn you my lifeboat has Internet access.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 5, 2016 22:58:05 GMT -5
I am not sure that two top 5 teams makes the Big East a mid major conference. I still believe there is a good chance 40=50% of the league makes the NCAA. It is sad we are very unlikely to be one of them unless we win the BE tournament which at this point appears exceedingly unlikely. That being said, if Bradley Hayes is back and LJ and Copeland continue to play well and DSR gets some rest and gets his shot going a BE tournament run is not impossible! Have you watched any of these games? BE will put five teams in the tournament and will likely have one sweet sixteen appearance and no elite eight. I hope I'm wrong but teams like Nova and Xavier aren't battle tested because they play in this conference. We are a big part of the blame for that. Last year Xavier made the Sweet 16 in part due to Matt Stainbrook, This year Xavier and Villanova seem smallish in the front court, and Jay Wright has been exposed as system coach every year since 2009 in the NCAA's Villanova will still stagnate if you can turn them into a jump shooting team.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 6, 2016 0:52:57 GMT -5
Has JTIII made any statements which directly state or suggest that he also holds himself and his coaching staff responsible for this season's failures? (Admittedly I have not listened to any of the post-game interviews sans the one where JR. made his feelings known). Actually, JT3 has. His postgame press conferences are generally not enlightening, but he certainly is more reflective during pre-game availability. For instance, he has said that the coaching staff has changed the way that they teach defense because of the new rules. It's a big change during the course of the season and the results were not evident. It does demonstrate that he has taken responsibility and has self-awareness. I really do wonder why people believe that JT3 does not take responsibility for the team. That simply has never been a problem with him. So who is to blame for all the fouling throughout the season? Were the players taught from the pre-season what constituted a foul under the new rules? If so, is it the players' bball IQ? How is it fixed for next year?
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Mar 6, 2016 8:07:13 GMT -5
Actually, JT3 has. His postgame press conferences are generally not enlightening, but he certainly is more reflective during pre-game availability. For instance, he has said that the coaching staff has changed the way that they teach defense because of the new rules. It's a big change during the course of the season and the results were not evident. It does demonstrate that he has taken responsibility and has self-awareness. I really do wonder why people believe that JT3 does not take responsibility for the team. That simply has never been a problem with him. So who is to blame for all the fouling throughout the season? Were the players taught from the pre-season what constituted a foul under the new rules? If so, is it the players' bball IQ? How is it fixed for next year? I believe the question was whether JT3 was taking any responsibility for the team. The answer is yes. I am pretty sure that he hasn't worked out how he will address the problem next year yet.
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Post by reformation on Mar 6, 2016 9:11:38 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what we do with JT3"s contract when it comes up for renewal. I think there's almost no chance we part ways but the contract renegotiation should be interesting. I would suspect that they will just move JT's contract to a more incentive based payout, allowing him to make similar money if he performs to some standard--those standards would indicate what the insiders really think of the program from a goals and capabilities perspective.
For all the talk re accountability, which is justified clearly, I think its hard for Jack to really push too hard on JT3 as DeGioia himself really was given his own job as president and really has a job for life pretty much as well--DeGioia could really not get a job as pres of one of the top 20-30 unit's either but I gather his comp is also in a comp range to presidents of peer institutions. In short Gtwn has very little accountability in general even when compared to univ's in general which have very low accountability.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 6, 2016 10:44:18 GMT -5
I think it's sad that regardless of the topic certain posters turn every thread into the same tired arguments that have been made in the JT3 thread a million times.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 6, 2016 11:54:56 GMT -5
For all the talk re accountability, which is justified clearly, I think its hard for Jack to really push too hard on JT3 as DeGioia himself really was given his own job as president and really has a job for life pretty much as well--DeGioia could really not get a job as pres of one of the top 20-30 unit's either but I gather his comp is also in a comp range to presidents of peer institutions. In short Gtwn has very little accountability in general even when compared to univ's in general which have very low accountability. This is preposterous. It's not like DeGioia was simply given the job because of his name or lineage - he dedicated his entire life to the University and proved himself to the best option out of a number of candidates. Choosing him was not a 'safe' choice - picking another temporary Jesuit, someone who would've stayed the course, would have accomplished that. Instead, they got as the first lay president someone with a nuanced and deeply held view of what the institution is and should be. To the extent that JJD (who, it should be noted, makes far less than the President of GW or other significantly larger institutions) has a "job for life," it is because he's done a very good job and earned an enormous amount of trust from University stakeholders. Accountability goes both ways - if you succeed, your success is rewarded. This is one of those sad "familiarity breeds contempt" deals, where people devalue institutional figures because they take issue with certain aspects of the institution. Georgetown does X wrong, therefore any creature of Georgetown must be an underperformer who could never hack it elsewhere. It's not an honest appraisal.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 6, 2016 12:55:21 GMT -5
MOD NOTE: this is a BASKETBALL PROGRAM DISCUSSION thread. Regardless of your opinion of President DeGioia, please take it to 37th & O board if you wish to opine further on why he has his job.
There is also a discussion thread about the coach in this very forum - please take those posts there.
Thanks for your cooperation.
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Post by HoyaChris on Mar 6, 2016 16:02:35 GMT -5
I would note that Jack is a huge fan of the basketball program and the coach and therefore should be impervious to any criticism. Does this fit the nature of the thread Dan?
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 6, 2016 16:17:59 GMT -5
I was just looking for a chance to use the word "opine" in a discussion thread. Like, go sit on opine if you can't move your feet to stay in front of your man. That, and I typed game when my brain meant program.
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Post by MassHoya on Mar 6, 2016 17:07:12 GMT -5
Last time I checked, we are still in the BET. Our uniforms still say Georgetown. We have all spring, summer and fall to debate this season and how to prevent its recurrence. Right now it should be "GO Hoyas. Beat the Blue Demons" unless We Are Georgetown only applies when we are in the Final Four. Save the hypocrisy. Everything else can wait. You will have plenty of time to vent your feelings about the season, the program, the coaches, or whatever else bothers you...
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Post by drquigley on Mar 6, 2016 21:31:39 GMT -5
Here's an uplifting thought. Three years ago we slaughtered (61-39) Syracuse at home on the last game of the season and clinched a BE title. Sorta like Nova did to us. Two weeks later, at the Verizon Center Syracuse beat Marquette in the NCAA Eastern Regional title game and went to the Final 4. If those bums could do it why can't we?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 10:24:36 GMT -5
Here's an uplifting thought. Three years ago we slaughtered (61-39) Syracuse at home on the last game of the season and clinched a BE title. Sorta like Nova did to us. Two weeks later, at the Verizon Center Syracuse beat Marquette in the NCAA Eastern Regional title game and went to the Final 4. If those bums could do it why can't we? Because we're a terrible, no-good, lousy basketball team? I love this program, but this team was cooked weeks ago. Thanks for carrying the torch of enthusiasm, though!
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 7, 2016 10:27:56 GMT -5
Here's an uplifting thought. Three years ago we slaughtered (61-39) Syracuse at home on the last game of the season and clinched a BE title. Sorta like Nova did to us. Two weeks later, at the Verizon Center Syracuse beat Marquette in the NCAA Eastern Regional title game and went to the Final 4. If those bums could do it why can't we? Because we're a terrible, no-good, lousy basketball team? I love this program, but this team was cooked weeks ago. Thanks for carrying the torch of enthusiasm, though! We'll all be rooting for Gtown to win the BET, but yeah, these are sort of silly comparisons. Syracuse and UConn were tourney teams the years they went on their runs in the BET. They weren't 3 games under .500.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 7, 2016 14:18:23 GMT -5
Because we're a terrible, no-good, lousy basketball team? I love this program, but this team was cooked weeks ago. Thanks for carrying the torch of enthusiasm, though! We'll all be rooting for Gtown to win the BET, but yeah, these are sort of silly comparisons. Syracuse and UConn were tourney teams the years they went on their runs in the BET. They weren't 3 games under .500. Just trying to keep hope alive...
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