blueeagle
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Post by blueeagle on Mar 5, 2016 13:37:16 GMT -5
This season has been tremendously disappointing. Our past NCAAs exits have been perplexing. The trajectory of our program with the New Big East has been frustrating.
Though it may be tempting to tune out and drop out, this is the time to do the exact opposite. The calls for a regime change have been growing. There has been a lot of talk of withdrawing support from the program unless this happens. Full disclosure. I support JTIII to remain our head coach. I do not think he is a perfect coach. He has certainly made many decisions on and off the court that I felt were questionable, if not downright mistakes. But he is still a darn good basketball coach and mentor to student athletes at Georgetown University.
This is not the time to succumb to apathy or divisiveness. I argue that this is when the program needs our support the most. Many of us have become accustomed to a certain level of success from our men's basketball program. In fact, that is the expectation. Rightfully so. Many of us have supported the program through game attendance, Hoya Hoop Club memberships, donations, etc. We can't stop now. This is the time when we have to expend our available energy and resources to lift us out of this rut. This is when we ask the program and ourselves, what more can we do to get better. This involves everyone.
I feel this way because I still see our players fight through disappointment and frustration. I feel this way because JTIII wants more national championship banners to hang on the wall at McDonough. I feel this way because I am a Hoya.
When we chant, We are Georgetown, let's mean it!
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 5, 2016 14:01:39 GMT -5
Great post, it was a motto but I know many of us truely bleed Hoya blue. There will be bad times, there will be good times and we will be there for all of them. Many posters may have given up on the season but no member of this team has given up on the name on their chests (even if they've been unsuccessful this year).
There will always be negative opinions in every aspect of life but the key to a happy life is to stay above those trying to drag you down. I'll continue to support my Hoyas and try to find a silver lining in every up and down, be it a last second win due to a no-call in the tournament or a drubbing by one of the top teams in the nation. This isn't the place to just attack members of the Hoya community, this is the place for informed, rational discussion and I hope to continue to contribute to that. Hopefully the staff and players will continue to contribute to their passion for both the game and the Hoyas.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 5, 2016 16:19:51 GMT -5
Yes, yes, and yes.
HOYA SAXA
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Mar 5, 2016 17:32:02 GMT -5
This season has been tremendously disappointing. Our past NCAAs exits have been perplexing. The trajectory of our program with the New Big East has been frustrating. Though it may be tempting to tune out and drop out, this is the time to do the exact opposite. The calls for a regime change have been growing. There has been a lot of talk of withdrawing support from the program unless this happens. Full disclosure. I support JTIII to remain our head coach. I do not think he is a perfect coach. He has certainly made many decisions on and off the court that I felt were questionable, if not downright mistakes. But he is still a darn good basketball coach and mentor to student athletes at Georgetown University. This is not the time to succumb to apathy or divisiveness. I argue that this is when the program needs our support the most. Many of us have become accustomed to a certain level of success from our men's basketball program. In fact, that is the expectation. Rightfully so. Many of us have supported the program through game attendance, Hoya Hoop Club memberships, donations, etc. We can't stop now. This is the time when we have to expend our available energy and resources to lift us out of this rut. This is when we ask the program and ourselves, what more can we do to get better. This involves everyone. I feel this way because I still see our players fight through disappointment and frustration. I feel this way because JTIII wants more national championship banners to hang on the wall at McDonough. I feel this way because I am a Hoya. When we chant, We are Georgetown, let's mean it! Let's also remember that when we chant We Are Georgetown, that Georgetown and Thompson are not synonyms. I am not calling for anyone's head, but our alma mater was a world class university prior to 1973 and will remain one regardless of who coaches the basketball team.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Mar 5, 2016 17:44:38 GMT -5
Face it, all of us who read and post on this thread care a lot more about Hoya bball than is probably healthy. Sane people have better things to do with their lives. So let's all take a breath and repeat after me, 'WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!"
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Mar 5, 2016 18:03:53 GMT -5
Has JTIII made any statements which directly state or suggest that he also holds himself and his coaching staff responsible for this season's failures? (Admittedly I have not listened to any of the post-game interviews sans the one where JR. made his feelings known).
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zxhoya
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Post by zxhoya on Mar 5, 2016 18:42:33 GMT -5
This season has been tremendously disappointing. Our past NCAAs exits have been perplexing. The trajectory of our program with the New Big East has been frustrating. Though it may be tempting to tune out and drop out, this is the time to do the exact opposite. The calls for a regime change have been growing. There has been a lot of talk of withdrawing support from the program unless this happens. Full disclosure. I support JTIII to remain our head coach. I do not think he is a perfect coach. He has certainly made many decisions on and off the court that I felt were questionable, if not downright mistakes. But he is still a darn good basketball coach and mentor to student athletes at Georgetown University. This is not the time to succumb to apathy or divisiveness. I argue that this is when the program needs our support the most. Many of us have become accustomed to a certain level of success from our men's basketball program. In fact, that is the expectation. Rightfully so. Many of us have supported the program through game attendance, Hoya Hoop Club memberships, donations, etc. We can't stop now. This is the time when we have to expend our available energy and resources to lift us out of this rut. This is when we ask the program and ourselves, what more can we do to get better. This involves everyone. I feel this way because I still see our players fight through disappointment and frustration. I feel this way because JTIII wants more national championship banners to hang on the wall at McDonough. I feel this way because I am a Hoya. When we chant, We are Georgetown, let's mean it! Well said and I agree 100 percent.
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b52legend
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Post by b52legend on Mar 5, 2016 21:00:37 GMT -5
Good post, but we, as fans, can't really do anything to help the program. JT3 needs to coach better. The players need to play better. Staff needs to recruit better. I love the team, and will continue to support them, but don't have illusions that donating some money, watching some games, or attending some events will do anything to change what we have seen on the court this year. Real change needs to come from the inside.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 5, 2016 21:03:14 GMT -5
Good post, but we, as fans, can't really do anything to help the program. JT3 needs to coach better. The players need to play better. Staff needs to recruit better. I love the team, and will continue to support them, but don't have illusions that donating some money, watching some games, or attending some events will do anything to change what we have seen on the court this year. Real change needs to come from the inside. We are not the problem just the one's pointing out the obvious.
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Nevada Hoya
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 5, 2016 21:14:30 GMT -5
There was a 75 year old study that was released this week on what makes people (at least men, because there were no females in the study), and it all boiled down to good relationships. I guess we as alumni and fans have a relationship with the bball team, whether close or far, so this relationship should make us happy whether we win or lose. I know during my four years at Georgetown we were not that far over .500, but I was a happier person for following the team, and my relationship was closer (knew the players personally) than today, but I believe that the relationship that I developed with the team carries over today.
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FLHoya
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 5, 2016 21:14:37 GMT -5
This is the time when we have to expend our available energy and resources to lift us out of this rut. This is when we ask the program and ourselves, what more can we do to get better. This involves everyone. I promise I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but have you got any constructive ideas? I'm fine with the support the team speech, and eh, sure, I'll check the box on the season ticket renewal form in August or whenever. I genuinely want things to get better for the program, and if/when they do, it'd be a whole lot more meaningful if it was John Thompson III that made it so. At the same time, I have to be honest that it's been an incredibly demoralizing season from start to finish pretty much without interruption. I've had a lot of "oh crap, there's a game today" moments this winter. I missed most of the first half today because I ran some errands and just didn't care to tape the game. Even for a fairly positive person like myself (I think I can call upon a decent rep for that around these parts), it's not fun to watch this team right now. I've had plenty of conversations with close friends and colleagues--many die-hard fans who in large number got into the fold because of JTIII--who are planning to bail on their tickets/attendance. I don't have a honest compelling argument against it that I have the energy to make these days. It's not like I haven't tried to be constructive about things. I've been on the Hoop Club board for...goodness...has to be close to a decade now. I'm even going through the motions on that, if there's really anything to go through the motions about. I get the urge to want to do whatever we can to help the program out in a difficult time, I really do. Still got that letter to McDonough drafted up in my brain. It's just difficult when you're this demoralized to summon the energy to do something constructive in the absence of any meaningful guidance, or any sense that it'll have the least bit of impact. I don't want to be the dude from Casual who wrote the snarky letter Lee Reed ain't gonna read, or the OTHER guy from Casual who started a petition that everyone's already laughing at. If anyone's got an idea, especially if you work in McDonough, I'm all ears.
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FLHoya
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 5, 2016 21:19:55 GMT -5
There was a 75 year old study that was released this week on what makes people (at least men, because there were no females in the study), and it all boiled down to good relationships. I guess we as alumni and fans have a relationship with the bball team, whether close or far, so this relationship should make us happy whether we win or lose. I know during my four years at Georgetown we were not that far over .500, but I was a happier person for following the team, and my relationship was closer (knew the players personally) than today, but I believe that the relationship that I developed with the team carries over today. I think it'd be a fair statement especially over the past few decades to say that Georgetown administrators generally struggle with the building good relationships thing. That's a not-insignificant part of the angst over the direction of our program--however much we want to support the team and its players, the larger program is still the place that invented Hoya Paranoia.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 5, 2016 21:20:07 GMT -5
This is the time when we have to expend our available energy and resources to lift us out of this rut. This is when we ask the program and ourselves, what more can we do to get better. This involves everyone. I promise I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but have you got any constructive ideas? I'm fine with the support the team speech, and eh, sure, I'll check the box on the season ticket renewal form in August or whenever. I genuinely want things to get better for the program, and if/when they do, it'd be a whole lot more meaningful if it was John Thompson III that made it so. At the same time, I have to be honest that it's been an incredibly demoralizing season from start to finish pretty much without interruption. I've had a lot of "oh crap, there's a game today" moments this winter. I missed most of the first half today because I ran some errands and just didn't care to tape the game. Even for a fairly positive person like myself (I think I can call upon a decent rep for that around these parts), it's not fun to watch this team right now. I've had plenty of conversations with close friends and colleagues--many die-hard fans who in large number got into the fold because of JTIII--who are planning to bail on their tickets/attendance. I don't have a honest compelling argument against it that I have the energy to make these days. It's not like I haven't tried to be constructive about things. I've been on the Hoop Club board for...goodness...has to be close to a decade now. I'm even going through the motions on that, if there's really anything to go through the motions about. I get the urge to want to do whatever we can to help the program out in a difficult time, I really do. Still got that letter to McDonough drafted up in my brain. It's just difficult when you're this demoralized to summon the energy to do something constructive in the absence of any meaningful guidance, or any sense that it'll have the least bit of impact. I don't want to be the dude from Casual who wrote the snarky letter Lee Reed ain't gonna read, or the OTHER guy from Casual who started a petition that everyone's already laughing at. If anyone's got an idea, especially if you work in McDonough, I'm all ears. I've got an idea. Start treating this program as it's funded and hold it accountable for its performance. Quit acting like we are victims and should have to just put up with this as we couldn't get a better coach or the other millions of excuses (facilities, academic standards, etc.) that we hear. It's tiresome and we should just figure out if we want to compete on a national level or not. I'm tired of this board speaking out of both sides of their mouths on that topic.
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FLHoya
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Post by FLHoya on Mar 5, 2016 21:28:49 GMT -5
I've got an idea. Start treating this program as it's funded and hold it accountable for its performance. Quit acting like we are victims and should have to just put up with this as we couldn't get a better coach or the other millions of excuses (facilities, academic standards, etc.) that we hear. It's tiresome and we should just figure out if we want to compete on a national level or not. I'm tired of this board speaking out of both sides of their mouths on that topic. Sooooooooooo....that'd be a "no" on the anything constructive to offer question.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 5, 2016 21:30:41 GMT -5
I've got an idea. Start treating this program as it's funded and hold it accountable for its performance. Quit acting like we are victims and should have to just put up with this as we couldn't get a better coach or the other millions of excuses (facilities, academic standards, etc.) that we hear. It's tiresome and we should just figure out if we want to compete on a national level or not. I'm tired of this board speaking out of both sides of their mouths on that topic. Sooooooooooo....that'd be a "no" on the anything constructive to offer question. Constructive would be to clean this underperforming staff out and bring someone in who has a clue how to recruit and coach. I was being subtle but it's not that hard to figure out. We are sinking fast in a middle of the road conference and if we don't fix this soon it will be too late.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Mar 5, 2016 21:46:05 GMT -5
Has JTIII made any statements which directly state or suggest that he also holds himself and his coaching staff responsible for this season's failures? (Admittedly I have not listened to any of the post-game interviews sans the one where JR. made his feelings known). Actually, JT3 has. His postgame press conferences are generally not enlightening, but he certainly is more reflective during pre-game availability. For instance, he has said that the coaching staff has changed the way that they teach defense because of the new rules. It's a big change during the course of the season and the results were not evident. It does demonstrate that he has taken responsibility and has self-awareness. I really do wonder why people believe that JT3 does not take responsibility for the team. That simply has never been a problem with him.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Mar 5, 2016 21:53:56 GMT -5
Has JTIII made any statements which directly state or suggest that he also holds himself and his coaching staff responsible for this season's failures? (Admittedly I have not listened to any of the post-game interviews sans the one where JR. made his feelings known). Actually, JT3 has. His postgame press conferences are generally not enlightening, but he certainly is more reflective during pre-game availability. For instance, he has said that the coaching staff has changed the way that they teach defense because of the new rules. It's a big change during the course of the season and the results were not evident. It does demonstrate that he has taken responsibility and has self-awareness. I really do wonder why people believe that JT3 does not take responsibility for the team. That simply has never been a problem with him. However, it is easy to verbally take responsibility when one is living in a consequence-free environment. I watched Andy Reid say "I've got to do a better job" in post game pressers for 14 years. And never change a thing. Since I loathe the Eagles it did not bother me. It does now.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 5, 2016 21:58:04 GMT -5
Actually, JT3 has. His postgame press conferences are generally not enlightening, but he certainly is more reflective during pre-game availability. For instance, he has said that the coaching staff has changed the way that they teach defense because of the new rules. It's a big change during the course of the season and the results were not evident. It does demonstrate that he has taken responsibility and has self-awareness. I really do wonder why people believe that JT3 does not take responsibility for the team. That simply has never been a problem with him. However, it is easy to verbally take responsibility when one is living in a consequence-free environment. I watched Andy Reid say "I've got to do a better job" in post game pressers for 14 years. And never change a thing. Since I loathe the Eagles it did not bother me. It does now. Time is yours
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 5, 2016 22:00:14 GMT -5
There are, in my view, a number of posters here who eagerly await the day that JT3, while wearing sackcloth and ashes, commits hara-kiri in Healy Circle. They have asserted, during the course of the year, that JT3's salary should be slashed, and that he should publicly flagellate himself or throw his assistants and players under the proverbial bus after each loss.
This season stunk. There's plenty of blame to go around. No one individual is above reproach. That being typed, I'm not convinced that the Hoyas are the Big East equivalent of the Titanic.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 5, 2016 22:04:39 GMT -5
There are, in my view, a number of posters here who eagerly await the day that JT3, while wearing sackcloth and ashes, commits hara-kiri in Healy Circle. They have asserted, during the course of the year, that JT3's salary should be slashed, and that he should publicly flagellate himself or throw his assistants and players under the proverbial bus after each loss. This season stunk. There's plenty of blame to go around. No one individual is above reproach. That being typed, I'm not convinced that the Hoyas are the Big East equivalent of the Titanic. I'd argue in the new BE we are the Titanic and these poor catholic schools that signed on with us were hoodwinked.
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