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Post by hoya70hoops on Mar 2, 2016 17:19:48 GMT -5
Hey! We beat 'cuse this season, and that goes a long way here in upstate NY. It will shut those nitwits up for another 10 months!
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Post by richfame on Mar 3, 2016 6:24:13 GMT -5
I feel like it's one of the most inconsistent teams. I feel like we have 5-8 minutes where the offense is sharp and the defense is solid then we completely lose it. It's very frustrating.
I guess we're becoming consistently good at find ways to lose.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 3, 2016 7:57:12 GMT -5
I feel like it's one of the most inconsistent teams. I feel like we have 5-8 minutes where the offense is sharp and the defense is solid then we completely lose it. It's very frustrating. I guess we're becoming consistently good at find ways to lose. I call the inconsistency Hoya Schizophrenia.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 3, 2016 8:45:02 GMT -5
I agree that this is not really a "bad" team, but it is a very inconsistent and frustrating team. They have played competitively, and even beaten, some teams that will absolutely be in the tournament this year. For some reason they just can't seem to put together 40 consistent minutes of basketball.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 3, 2016 8:56:45 GMT -5
I agree that this is not really a "bad" team, but it is a very inconsistent and frustrating team. They have played competitively, and even beaten, some teams that will absolutely be in the tournament this year. For some reason they just can't seem to put together 40 consistent minutes of basketball. It's hard to recognize, because we aren't frequently in this boat, but I think we'd objectively conclude that this team is mediocre. Mediocre major conference teams do exactly what we've done. When they play great teams, they almost always lose (though they may win one or two), though they are usually (but not always) competitive. When they play good teams (that is, tournament teams), they'll lose more than they'll win, though they're almost always competitive. They'll split against similar teams. And they'll almost always (but not always) beat the bad teams. I think that accurately describes the teams in major conferences that in a given year aren't the elite, aren't the solid tournament teams, but (on the other end) aren't the drek. Probably 2-3 teams each year in the bottom half (but not the very bottom) of each conference. Often these are the most frustrating years because you're competitive in so many games. Unless you account for the expectations coming in, it's impossible for me to conclude that this is the worst team in modern GU history.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Mar 3, 2016 8:59:13 GMT -5
This team is bad...real bad Currently on a 5 game losing streak Has won 1 game in the past 33 days out of 9 attempts Has lost 2 or more straight games for the 4th time this year
What NCAA tournament team can this team beat right now?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Mar 3, 2016 9:34:06 GMT -5
Free throw differential is almost always a huge factor in our losses.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 3, 2016 9:37:17 GMT -5
Free throw differential is almost always a huge factor in our losses. As are bad starts to games/halves and inexplicable, maddening scoring droughts.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 3, 2016 9:42:10 GMT -5
This team is bad...real bad Currently on a 5 game losing streak Has won 1 game in the past 33 days out of 9 attempts Has lost 2 or more straight games for the 4th time this year What NCAA tournament team can this team beat right now? This team is not real bad. You want real bad? BC is real bad. They're 7-23 and haven't won a conference game all year. Ditto for Rutgers who's 6-24. THAT'S real bad. But compared against the standards that we have for the program, yes, this team is a bad Georgetown team. In the grand scheme of things, this team doesn't even come close to approaching "real bad" status. Pomeroy thinks there's 279 teams worse than us in DI basketball.
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Post by practice on Mar 3, 2016 10:21:16 GMT -5
This team is bad...real bad Currently on a 5 game losing streak Has won 1 game in the past 33 days out of 9 attempts Has lost 2 or more straight games for the 4th time this year What NCAA tournament team can this team beat right now? This team is not real bad. You want real bad? BC is real bad. They're 7-23 and haven't won a conference game all year. Ditto for Rutgers who's 6-24. THAT'S real bad. But compared against the standards that we have for the program, yes, this team is a bad Georgetown team. In the grand scheme of things, this team doesn't even come close to approaching "real bad" status. Pomeroy thinks there's 279 teams worse than us in DI basketball. I agree with others who talk about inconsistencies, failure to meet expectations, and failure to play a good 40 minutes. Very disappointing season ... one of the most disappointing, in part because the talent appears to be there.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 3, 2016 10:29:37 GMT -5
This team is bad...real bad Currently on a 5 game losing streak Has won 1 game in the past 33 days out of 9 attempts Has lost 2 or more straight games for the 4th time this year What NCAA tournament team can this team beat right now? This team is not real bad. You want real bad? BC is real bad. They're 7-23 and haven't won a conference game all year. Ditto for Rutgers who's 6-24. THAT'S real bad. But compared against the standards that we have for the program, yes, this team is a bad Georgetown team. In the grand scheme of things, this team doesn't even come close to approaching "real bad" status. Pomeroy thinks there's 279 teams worse than us in DI basketball. We can disagree on what real bad is. All those teams you mentioned have losing records and is like comparing who is the tallest midget. Right now, this team is at best the 3rd worst Georgetown team in the last 44 years.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 3, 2016 10:37:24 GMT -5
This team is not real bad. You want real bad? BC is real bad. They're 7-23 and haven't won a conference game all year. Ditto for Rutgers who's 6-24. THAT'S real bad. But compared against the standards that we have for the program, yes, this team is a bad Georgetown team. In the grand scheme of things, this team doesn't even come close to approaching "real bad" status. Pomeroy thinks there's 279 teams worse than us in DI basketball. We can disagree on what real bad is. All those teams you mentioned have losing records and is like comparing who is the tallest midget. Right now, this team is at best the 3rd worst Georgetown team in the last 44 years. Exactly. This is a bad team only because we hold ourselves to high standards, and rightfully so. Objectively speaking, this team is not even close to "real bad".
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Post by trillesthoya on Mar 3, 2016 10:46:23 GMT -5
We can disagree on what real bad is. All those teams you mentioned have losing records and is like comparing who is the tallest midget. Right now, this team is at best the 3rd worst Georgetown team in the last 44 years. Exactly. This is a bad team only because we hold ourselves to high standards, and rightfully so. Objectively speaking, this team is not even close to "real bad". "Real Bad" is subjective. We don't even hold ourselves to that high of standards. All we ask is that we be one of the 68 teams that make the NCAA tournament. Yes the majority of teams in ALL of college basketball are worse than us, but given how much we spend on it and how little we have to show from it, I'd hazard we are "real bad" this year.
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Post by guru on Mar 3, 2016 11:00:26 GMT -5
Exactly. This is a bad team only because we hold ourselves to high standards, and rightfully so. Objectively speaking, this team is not even close to "real bad". "Real Bad" is subjective. We don't even hold ourselves to that high of standards. All we ask is that we be one of the 68 teams that make the NCAA tournament. Yes the majority of teams in ALL of college basketball are worse than us, but given how much we spend on it and how little we have to show from it, I'd hazard we are "real bad" this year. Real bad this year. Not debatable.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 3, 2016 11:06:42 GMT -5
The key term is "team" as opposed to bad "players". I continue to believe that most, if not all, of these players will improve. So yes this year it is a bad team but I caution against a scorched earth approach borne out of a year when injuries, coaching and player performance has led to what is probably the most disappointing team in recent history.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 3, 2016 11:17:31 GMT -5
This team is bad...real bad Currently on a 5 game losing streak Has won 1 game in the past 33 days out of 9 attempts Has lost 2 or more straight games for the 4th time this year What NCAA tournament team can this team beat right now? This team is not real bad. You want real bad? BC is real bad. They're 7-23 and haven't won a conference game all year. Ditto for Rutgers who's 6-24. THAT'S real bad. But compared against the standards that we have for the program, yes, this team is a bad Georgetown team. In the grand scheme of things, this team doesn't even come close to approaching "real bad" status. Pomeroy thinks there's 279 teams worse than us in DI basketball. I have a question for you and hoyainspirit and hoyalove4ever, since the latter 2 agree with you.. Beyond what I listed before: 1. This team will not get an invite to the N.I.T. 2. Has lost 3 or more games in a row, 2x this year 3. Looking at ending the season on a 6 game losing 4. This team has not won back to back games in over 45 days and counting What would it take for this team to be considered "real bad" in your eyes?
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 3, 2016 11:29:19 GMT -5
This team is not real bad. You want real bad? BC is real bad. They're 7-23 and haven't won a conference game all year. Ditto for Rutgers who's 6-24. THAT'S real bad. But compared against the standards that we have for the program, yes, this team is a bad Georgetown team. In the grand scheme of things, this team doesn't even come close to approaching "real bad" status. Pomeroy thinks there's 279 teams worse than us in DI basketball. I have a question for you and hoyainspirit and hoyalove4ever, since the latter 2 agree with you.. Beyond what I listed before: 1. This team will not get an invite to the N.I.T. 2. Has lost 3 or more games in a row, 2x this year 3. Looking at ending the season on a 6 game losing 4. This team has not won back to back games in over 45 days and counting What would it take for this team to be considered "real bad" in your eyes? You can make all the lists you want. I've already explained my stance. Yes, in the realm of Georgetown teams in recent history, this team is bad. In the realm of Division I basketball, this team is far from real bad. I gave you two examples of real bad teams in major conferences, and we have one in our own conference in St. John's. Those are real bad teams. I don't even really give a crap about this argument. It's all semantics really.
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Post by gastonhall on Mar 3, 2016 13:04:13 GMT -5
Some of us remember Jack Magee and the Hoyas of the early 70s including the team that went 3-23, worst record of any major college team in America. That year we lost at McDonough to Penn State on length of court pass for layup after leading by 1 with less than 3 seconds to go. Of course, the only bright spot was that season led to the hiring of John Thompson Jr.
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Post by 2ndRyan on Mar 3, 2016 13:05:44 GMT -5
My freshman year was the 3-23 team. I always thought the loss at home to Division II Assumption College was special
I think this team is young, confused and tired. I've always thought that freshman players seem to hit the wall in February. As for the sophomores, who knows?
How many games has this team been truly out of? Monmouth, Xavier (at home) and Seton Hall are who I come up with. Perhaps you could add two more or so.
Time for this season to end. This team's deficiencies (fouling, turnovers) are so apparent that I choose to believe an off-season of work can improve performance.
As to our last regular season game I remember 2009 when NIT-bound Georgetown beat Final Four Villanova in Philadelphia.
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Post by Hoya Rich on Mar 3, 2016 17:58:15 GMT -5
Most disappointing Hoyas team, for certain. I loved our talent going into the season. Still do, actually. But when you see the same mistakes over and over and over again, regression instead of progress, it's disheartening as well as discouraging.
What's interesting is I don't think it's just the fanbase that has found this season so confounding. I think a lot of basketball writers had us pegged to achieve really good things, and they're equally perplexed.
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