This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Feb 13, 2016 14:36:36 GMT -5
The Hoyas lost this game because they didn't look prepared to play when the game begun. That first half was horrible. Kicking the ball around the same three points on the perimeter without a clue how to get the ball inside, not to mention the passes were weak and slow allowing Friars the time to recover on defense. Once again the Hoyas lost because they got punched in the mouth a few times before waking up and showing some pride. Rarely do the Hoyas deliver such blows. The Hoyas lost because like clockwork they went through the expected scoring droughts that don't seem to plague other college teams pretty much every game as it does for Gtown. The hoyas also missed out on an opportunity because DSR would rather play within the system rather than force shots to get himself going (he forces it a bit towards the latter parts of second halves when it is too late on most occasions. And what would a Gtown game be without the opposing team getting bailed out at the free throw line by refs with III accepting it. I want III to lose his composure just for one game and make sure the refs know that his guys are getting hosed at times. I wouldn't mind if he gets thrown out of a game one time with technicals, just get in the refs' ears. Look I don't discount the lost of Hayes and I'll give credit for the Hoyas for fighting back. But if they had played with that purpose AND confidence the ENTIRE game they would have gotten a W today. But too many of III's teams are guilty of not playing strong for an entire 40 minutes. I did see JTIII lose his temper 1 time this season and that was against Creighton. III had to be restrained by Bradley Hayes to avoid a technical during the later minutes of that game. Coincidentally that is the game the Hoyas came back from a big deficit and won due to the Blue Jays melting under pressure. Do you think a BE run to the Semi-Finals will put the Hoyas into the NCAA's at this point in time?
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Post by hoyarad on Feb 13, 2016 14:37:06 GMT -5
Great comeback. Very proud of the fight in this team during the second half. I just wish the execution had been 10-20% better in the first half. And going back and reading the first-half comments from this board makes me sick. Fans need to be supportive IN SICKNESS AND IN HEALTH... Relax. It's an in game discussion. You should expect those comments based on how they were playing. Why do people question others fandom when the product we are watching is awful? Not worth arguing about IMHO The Hoyas may have won this game going away if it was not for the 26pt deficit If games were only 20 minutes..... Let's see what happens
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 13, 2016 14:37:25 GMT -5
That second half underscored how important it is to use the three point shot as a weapon rather than a crutch. When we use it as a crutch (see first half), it's tough to be competitive. I always go back to the Xavier game, easily the most complete game played by this team. The inside/outside was working perfectly and I agree. Weapon, not a crutch When you get the ball into the paint, good things can happen.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 13, 2016 14:37:55 GMT -5
This team can't give 40 minutes of effort in a critical game. Boy I can't wait to see their effort in the NIT. NIT? No sure thing. This team needs two wins from Seton Hall, Butler, Xavier, at Marquette, and at Villanova to even be in NIT consideration. Without two this week at home, the season may end at MSG.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 13, 2016 14:39:20 GMT -5
I hated that last shot. DSR is your man, but it just seems like we need a better design there even if it goes to someone else. DSR stubbornly insisted he was going to take the shot despite the fact that he played like crappola on offense all game. Their senior star carried them on his back. Ours dragged us down like an anchor. Very disappointing.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 13, 2016 14:40:59 GMT -5
This team can't give 40 minutes of effort in a critical game. Boy I can't wait to see their effort in the NIT. NIT? No sure thing. This team needs two wins from Seton Hall, Butler, Xavier, at Marquette, and at Villanova to even be in NIT consideration. Without two this week at home, the season may end at MSG. We will scratch out 2 wins just to stretch out our torture.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 14:42:46 GMT -5
I get that DSR wants to take the shot but Marcus set the screen and Dunn left him wide open when he popped out.. Probably would have been better if he passed as you said above... He got a reasonable look. Bullock just made a good defensive play. Given the time and game situation, I can't blame DSR for taking that shot Yeah I agree but he was also 1-8 with 3 pts and Marcus who is the best 3pt shooter by percentage on the team was left pretty open..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 13, 2016 14:42:44 GMT -5
Why foul Benetil..anyone but him? That is what happens when Hoyas are playing off of their man... Why not double up Bentil and make somone else have to come to the ball? Poor communication was a major problem all game long and reared its ugly head on this play. Derrickson and Mourning didn't communicate who had Bentil and neither took him on the inbound.
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Post by manilahoyafan on Feb 13, 2016 14:42:53 GMT -5
Playing a top 20 team on the road never was an automatic win. Nor necessarily a "must" win.
I still say how we fare in the pre-BET conference will matter a lot. It's not like this NCAA season has a bunch of steady teams -- upsets are the norm. And the BE is not a weak sister.
The Creighton comeback and this fight from way down shows that heart is not the problem for us. There is still time, still games that can be won.
Keep the faith and fight on.
We are who we are...but the jury is still out if we are or are not enough. Young guys are emerging. I like Ike and give Peak a chance.
It's 340am here and time to crash. Good Mourning Hoyas! Nice fight, after all.....
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 13, 2016 14:43:24 GMT -5
I get that DSR wants to take the shot but Marcus set the screen and Dunn left him wide open when he popped out.. Probably would have been better if he passed as you said above... He got a reasonable look. Bullock just made a good defensive play. Given the time and game situation, I can't blame DSR for taking that shot DSR can't get shots off against taller players. It was actually a very poor choice.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 13, 2016 14:48:40 GMT -5
The Hoyas lost this game because they didn't look prepared to play when the game begun. That first half was horrible. Kicking the ball around the same three points on the perimeter without a clue how to get the ball inside, not to mention the passes were weak and slow allowing Friars the time to recover on defense. Once again the Hoyas lost because they got punched in the mouth a few times before waking up and showing some pride. Rarely do the Hoyas deliver such blows. The Hoyas lost because like clockwork they went through the expected scoring droughts that don't seem to plague other college teams pretty much every game as it does for Gtown. The hoyas also missed out on an opportunity because DSR would rather play within the system rather than force shots to get himself going (he forces it a bit towards the latter parts of second halves when it is too late on most occasions. And what would a Gtown game be without the opposing team getting bailed out at the free throw line by refs with III accepting it. I want III to lose his composure just for one game and make sure the refs know that his guys are getting hosed at times. I wouldn't mind if he gets thrown out of a game one time with technicals, just get in the refs' ears. Look I don't discount the lost of Hayes and I'll give credit for the Hoyas for fighting back. But if they had played with that purpose AND confidence the ENTIRE game they would have gotten a W today. But too many of III's teams are guilty of not playing strong for an entire 40 minutes. I did see JTIII lose his temper 1 time this season and that was against Creighton. III had to be restrained by Bradley Hayes to avoid a technical during the later minutes of that game. Coincidentally that is the game the Hoyas came back from a big deficit and won due to the Blue Jays melting under pressure. Do you think a BE run to the Semi-Finals will put the Hoyas into the NCAA's at this point in time? If they finish 4-1 in conference play and go to the semifinals. . .maybe. I have no confidence that this team can get on a roll at this point, because we haven't seen any evidence of it all season.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 13, 2016 14:49:09 GMT -5
He got a reasonable look. Bullock just made a good defensive play. Given the time and game situation, I can't blame DSR for taking that shot DSR can't get shots off against taller players. It was actually a very poor choice. I may be wrong, but it seems to be we very rarely, if ever, do anything creative on the final shot of a game. Its always just hand the ball to DSR, or whoever our top scorer is that year and hope he makes a heroic effort. I've seen other teams change it up, drive and dish or simply do as Yabo suggested...pass to the screener, who is ALWAYS open...at least for a second. DSR is not an athletic guy who can just elevate over a couple guys and shoot a three (actually sounds like I'm describing Ike..not that he would have made it.)
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Feb 13, 2016 14:49:53 GMT -5
I hated that last shot. DSR is your man, but it just seems like we need a better design there even if it goes to someone else. DSR stubbornly insisted he was going to take the shot despite the fact that he played like crappola on offense all game. Their senior star carried them on his back. Ours dragged us down like an anchor. Very disappointing. Dunn defends DSR extremely well, and DSR had a bad day. You characterize a blocked last shot as a stubborn insistence to take the last shot as if the guy, who is frequently criticized for letting the game come to him, is selfish or something. I think that is an unfair retroactive characterization. We won't win many games when DSR has this type of performance, but I don't think his performance reflects poorly on his character or attitude.
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 13, 2016 14:50:26 GMT -5
That is what happens when Hoyas are playing off of their man... Why not double up Bentil and make somone else have to come to the ball? Poor communication was a major problem all game long and reared its ugly head on this play. Derrickson and Mourning didn't communicate who had Bentil and neither took him on the inbound. May have been due to the fact that Mourning has not been in a game-ending situation all season, and Derrickson has has limited opportunities in similar circumstances. Not an excuse, just an explanation.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 13, 2016 14:53:03 GMT -5
Poor communication was a major problem all game long and reared its ugly head on this play. Derrickson and Mourning didn't communicate who had Bentil and neither took him on the inbound. May have been due to the fact that Mourning has not been in a game-ending situation all season, and Derrickson has has limited opportunities in similar circumstances. Not an excuse, just an explanation. Exactly
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Post by bamahoya11 on Feb 13, 2016 14:55:14 GMT -5
So, I'm going to go a bit against the grain because I'm actually really bullish on this team after what I saw in the second half. After the Butler game, Ben Standig pointed out that we didn't have a single lineup that could consistently give us five good minutes. I agreed and hadn't seen any signs for optimism until the second half of this game. FINALLY, what a saw in the second half was a team with an offensive identity. We started to run something that resembles what I think of as a Princeton offense--we ran things through the center. Once we got to the ball to our center and let him distribute, things opened up. Derrickson was able to get the ball inside. The center could kick it out to LJ or Ike for a drive or a three-point shot. And it finally took some pressure off our guards.
I think we found this plan out of necessity. With Bradley out of the lineup, we now have quicker, more nimble centers. Mourning and Govan were both able to essentially run the offense from inside or outside and break free of the Providence zone to get the ball. Once they had the ball, it opened up the entire offense. Going forward, I would like for us to push the ball inside every single play. At times late in the game, as things got tight, we would still settle for a shot a little too quickly. Once we became more disciplined on offense, the defense came almost naturally. Guys started talking, looking around, and watching their spacing. The team started to play with pride on both ends of the floor, and we looked to me like a Georgetown basketball team. Of course, the foul disparity hurt us, and we need more work on that. But if we can settle on an identity, the other things start to become smaller tweaks.
And then there is the coaching. I was disappointed by the first half, but someone got the team back together in the locker room at halftime. I'm going to assume that JTIII was at least partially responsible. I'll evaluate his overall job when the season is over, but I think he drew up a game plan in the second half that put us back in the game. I also watched him show frustration with the officials at multiple points--can't fault his demeanor in the second half one bit. Now, we just need to carry that momentum forward.
I don't know what the next week holds. Who knows where this team is mentally after this game. It has been a long season. But, I will say this. If we play with the discipline that we showed in the second half of this game, we will beat Seton Hall and then give Xavier one heck of a game in DC this week. Hoya Saxa!
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Post by prhoya on Feb 13, 2016 14:56:19 GMT -5
Poor communication was a major problem all game long and reared its ugly head on this play. Derrickson and Mourning didn't communicate who had Bentil and neither took him on the inbound. May have been due to the fact that Mourning has not been in a game-ending situation all season, and Derrickson has has limited opportunities in similar circumstances. Not an excuse, just an explanation. The question is, in those two time-out huddles, did someone say: we're out of time-outs, so whatever happens the rest of the way, do not foul Bentil?
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 13, 2016 14:58:15 GMT -5
DSR can't get shots off against taller players. It was actually a very poor choice. I may be wrong, but it seems to be we very rarely, if ever, do anything creative on the final shot of a game. Its always just hand the ball to DSR, or whoever our top scorer is that year and hope he makes a heroic effort. I've seen other teams change it up, drive and dish or simply do as Yabo suggested...pass to the screener, who is ALWAYS open...at least for a second. DSR is not an athletic guy who can just elevate over a couple guys and shoot a three (actually sounds like I'm describing Ike..not that he would have made it.) It's formally known as the Braswell option.
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Post by beenaround on Feb 13, 2016 15:00:47 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but it seems to be we very rarely, if ever, do anything creative on the final shot of a game. Its always just hand the ball to DSR, or whoever our top scorer is that year and hope he makes a heroic effort. I've seen other teams change it up, drive and dish or simply do as Yabo suggested...pass to the screener, who is ALWAYS open...at least for a second. DSR is not an athletic guy who can just elevate over a couple guys and shoot a three (actually sounds like I'm describing Ike..not that he would have made it.) It's formally known as the Braswell option. LOVE IT!! Btw, that is a name from the past that seems to be ignored when we look back, along with Sweetney. Guess cuz it was part of the Esh regime. Braswell had some amazing offensive effots.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 13, 2016 15:01:29 GMT -5
May have been due to the fact that Mourning has not been in a game-ending situation all season, and Derrickson has has limited opportunities in similar circumstances. Not an excuse, just an explanation. The question is, in those two time-out huddles, did someone say: we're out of time-outs, so whatever happens the rest of the way, do not foul Bentil? I'm guessing it was said but Mourning and Derrickson got confused as to whose responsibility it was to cover Bentil on the inbound. Inexperience? Perhaps?
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