eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 12, 2016 22:14:54 GMT -5
Who called it a serious question - I don't recall designated it serious? I think that you took it as one which says all we need to know that at least you (I'll give others the benefit of the doubt) were worried about the answer and just relieved to say we did win two in a row. Get a clue...... (I'm not stooping to name calling as you do - it would be easy but I respect our Mod's too much for that). Word Word? what decade are you in? Why waste that post other than you have nothing else to say. Good stuff Rock.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 12, 2016 22:53:07 GMT -5
A nice cat fight on a Friday night!
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 12, 2016 23:09:04 GMT -5
A nice cat fight on a Friday night! Word
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 13, 2016 1:47:58 GMT -5
FWIW, DSR will go down as one of my favorite HOYAS ever. He's done everything we've asked of him and while not an explosive athlete, got the most out of his talent. If anyone needs a reminder of how good he is, watch the last 2 minutes of the Creighton game.
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seaweed
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Post by seaweed on Feb 13, 2016 6:56:28 GMT -5
Lol the guy who doesn't even know what kind of a 3pt shooter DSR is or if we've won back to back games this season wants to give us a dose of "reality". Just when you thought you'd seen it all on Hoyatalk.... Stop before you continue to embarrass yourself Rock. Winning two in a row was called sarcasm for this team and you didn't understand but that's completely understandable coming from you. DSR as a great three point shooter is what is in question on this thread and I think the numbers speak for themselves. Someone said volume shooter and I think that's about right. The proportion of his shots to an average completion percentage is not something to celebrate. Just think about 100 more shots to equal the person he's trying to pass for three's made. This is the part that gets my goat, as though becoming the leader in 3s is tainted because he only shot 38% instead of Wallaces admittedly bery efficient 43%. And the implication that 38% isnt way above average at any volume. You have already been pointed to the fact that Wallace made the last second pass to a teammate in late clock situations whereas DSR is the one receiving that pass, meaning he has been forced to shoot a lot more desperation threes, maybe 40 or 50 of the 85ish more attempts he has made. Plus, he has been The Man most seasons in terms of scoring, while Wallace never had to be our No. 1 option and had a much deeper supporting cast through his career. If you must, marvel in DSR having nearly as many assists as Wallace despite never having a finisher like Green or even Hibbert to throw it down to. In short, there is no need to cherry pick on stat, misinterpret it's significance and how it got to be what it is and then use it to bash one of our programs stars. That isn't how fans play their role in a sports program and you are here because you are a fan, not because of your skills and erudition as a basketball analyst. Yes, we very much should celebrate DSR being exactly the player he is.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 13, 2016 8:35:39 GMT -5
Stop before you continue to embarrass yourself Rock. Winning two in a row was called sarcasm for this team and you didn't understand but that's completely understandable coming from you. DSR as a great three point shooter is what is in question on this thread and I think the numbers speak for themselves. Someone said volume shooter and I think that's about right. The proportion of his shots to an average completion percentage is not something to celebrate. Just think about 100 more shots to equal the person he's trying to pass for three's made. This is the part that gets my goat, as though becoming the leader in 3s is tainted because he only shot 38% instead of Wallaces admittedly bery efficient 43%. And the implication that 38% isnt way above average at any volume. You have already been pointed to the fact that Wallace made the last second pass to a teammate in late clock situations whereas DSR is the one receiving that pass, meaning he has been forced to shoot a lot more desperation threes, maybe 40 or 50 of the 85ish more attempts he has made. Plus, he has been The Man most seasons in terms of scoring, while Wallace never had to be our No. 1 option and had a much deeper supporting cast through his career. If you must, marvel in DSR having nearly as many assists as Wallace despite never having a finisher like Green or even Hibbert to throw it down to. In short, there is no need to cherry pick on stat, misinterpret it's significance and how it got to be what it is and then use it to bash one of our programs stars. That isn't how fans play their role in a sports program and you are here because you are a fan, not because of your skills and erudition as a basketball analyst. Yes, we very much should celebrate DSR being exactly the player he is. It's 37% even with rounding against 43% (37.3% to 43.3%). I'm not trying to detract from anyone just pointing out something that is very real when looking at that type of stat. I would say the cherry picking was done by those pointing out he's about to break the all time three pointers made stat. I don't recall anyone announcing he broke the attempts record back in December. No different from a player who is scoring a bunch but has a bad shooting percentage. Not sure about him having 40 to 50 desperation threes but if that is true than another example of our poor offensive scheme and I don't hold DSR accountable for that. Let me know when the parade is coming down M Street to celebrate and I'll be there with balloons.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 13, 2016 9:12:27 GMT -5
DSR's career 3 pt shooting percentage is in the Top 10 of all Hoyas since the introduction of the 3 pt. shot. Nothing for which to apologize. As many have pointed out, he has also been the #1 scoring option for much of his career. Other teams develop their defensive game plans around stopping DSR. No one ever developed their game plans around stopping Wallace - who was also a GREAT Hoya by the way. Here's another point. The Hoyas all time leader in career 3 PT shooting percentage is... wait for it.... Vee Sanford. Does that make his career more impressive than Jon Wallace's?
Pointing out someone is about to become the all time GU leader in 3 pt shots is hardly "cherry picking". It is simply stating a fact, along with the following from Birdman in the thead "Countdown to 1000": --------------- After demolishing St. John's:
DSR had 24 points and has 1,803 points in his career. He passed David Wingate (1,781) and is now 6th all-time. 5th is Othella Harrington with 1,839. DSR made 3 three pointers and has 237 in his career. He is 2nd all-time, behind Jonathan Wallace's 240. DSR made 9 free throws and has 448 free throw makes in his career. He is 6th all-time. Patrick Ewing is 5th with 470. DSR had 2 assists and has 342 for his career. He is 13th all-time. Next up is Bobby Winston with 351. DSR had 1 steal and has 158 in his career. He is tied with John Duren for 18th all-time. 17th is Anthony Perry with 161. ---------------
DSR is about to become the all time Hoya leader in 3 pt buckets, and also move into the list of Top 5 career scorers in GU History. That is extraordinary company indeed. And he is the leading scorer of the JT3 era. Well done DSR! Here are the Hoyas career leading scorers:
GU Leading Career scorers 1. Sleepy Floyd 2,304 2. Patrick Ewing 2,183 3. Reggie Williams 2,117 4. Alonzo Mourning 2,001 5. Othella Harrington 1,839 6. DSR 1,803 7. David Wingate 1,781
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 13, 2016 9:26:25 GMT -5
This is the part that gets my goat, as though becoming the leader in 3s is tainted because he only shot 38% instead of Wallaces admittedly bery efficient 43%. And the implication that 38% isnt way above average at any volume. You have already been pointed to the fact that Wallace made the last second pass to a teammate in late clock situations whereas DSR is the one receiving that pass, meaning he has been forced to shoot a lot more desperation threes, maybe 40 or 50 of the 85ish more attempts he has made. Plus, he has been The Man most seasons in terms of scoring, while Wallace never had to be our No. 1 option and had a much deeper supporting cast through his career. If you must, marvel in DSR having nearly as many assists as Wallace despite never having a finisher like Green or even Hibbert to throw it down to. In short, there is no need to cherry pick on stat, misinterpret it's significance and how it got to be what it is and then use it to bash one of our programs stars. That isn't how fans play their role in a sports program and you are here because you are a fan, not because of your skills and erudition as a basketball analyst. Yes, we very much should celebrate DSR being exactly the player he is. It's 37% even with rounding against 43% (37.3% to 43.3%). I'm not trying to detract from anyone just pointing out something that is very real when looking at that type of stat. I would say the cherry picking was done by those pointing out he's about to break the all time three pointers made stat. I don't recall anyone announcing he broke the attempts record back in December. No different from a player who is scoring a bunch but has a bad shooting percentage. Not sure about him having 40 to 50 desperation threes but if that is true than another example of our poor offensive scheme and I don't hold DSR accountable for that. Let me know when the parade is coming down M Street to celebrate and I'll be there with balloons. Sheeh....who pooped in your Cheerios?
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AvantGuardHoya
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Feb 13, 2016 11:56:51 GMT -5
It's 37% even with rounding against 43% (37.3% to 43.3%). I'm not trying to detract from anyone just pointing out something that is very real when looking at that type of stat. I would say the cherry picking was done by those pointing out he's about to break the all time three pointers made stat. I don't recall anyone announcing he broke the attempts record back in December. No different from a player who is scoring a bunch but has a bad shooting percentage. Not sure about him having 40 to 50 desperation threes but if that is true than another example of our poor offensive scheme and I don't hold DSR accountable for that. Let me know when the parade is coming down M Street to celebrate and I'll be there with balloons. Sheeh....who pooped in your Cheerios? B & G, isn't that standard deleted breakfast fare?
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Feb 13, 2016 12:38:18 GMT -5
Stop before you continue to embarrass yourself Rock. Winning two in a row was called sarcasm for this team and you didn't understand but that's completely understandable coming from you. DSR as a great three point shooter is what is in question on this thread and I think the numbers speak for themselves. Someone said volume shooter and I think that's about right. The proportion of his shots to an average completion percentage is not something to celebrate. Just think about 100 more shots to equal the person he's trying to pass for three's made. This is the part that gets my goat, as though becoming the leader in 3s is tainted because he only shot 38% instead of Wallaces admittedly bery efficient 43%. And the implication that 38% isnt way above average at any volume. You have already been pointed to the fact that Wallace made the last second pass to a teammate in late clock situations whereas DSR is the one receiving that pass, meaning he has been forced to shoot a lot more desperation threes, maybe 40 or 50 of the 85ish more attempts he has made. Plus, he has been The Man most seasons in terms of scoring, while Wallace never had to be our No. 1 option and had a much deeper supporting cast through his career. If you must, marvel in DSR having nearly as many assists as Wallace despite never having a finisher like Green or even Hibbert to throw it down to. In short, there is no need to cherry pick on stat, misinterpret it's significance and how it got to be what it is and then use it to bash one of our programs stars. That isn't how fans play their role in a sports program and you are here because you are a fan, not because of your skills and erudition as a basketball analyst. Yes, we very much should celebrate DSR being exactly the player he is. Well said.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Feb 13, 2016 12:40:24 GMT -5
This is the part that gets my goat, as though becoming the leader in 3s is tainted because he only shot 38% instead of Wallaces admittedly bery efficient 43%. And the implication that 38% isnt way above average at any volume. You have already been pointed to the fact that Wallace made the last second pass to a teammate in late clock situations whereas DSR is the one receiving that pass, meaning he has been forced to shoot a lot more desperation threes, maybe 40 or 50 of the 85ish more attempts he has made. Plus, he has been The Man most seasons in terms of scoring, while Wallace never had to be our No. 1 option and had a much deeper supporting cast through his career. If you must, marvel in DSR having nearly as many assists as Wallace despite never having a finisher like Green or even Hibbert to throw it down to. In short, there is no need to cherry pick on stat, misinterpret it's significance and how it got to be what it is and then use it to bash one of our programs stars. That isn't how fans play their role in a sports program and you are here because you are a fan, not because of your skills and erudition as a basketball analyst. Yes, we very much should celebrate DSR being exactly the player he is. It's 37% even with rounding against 43% (37.3% to 43.3%). I'm not trying to detract from anyone just pointing out something that is very real when looking at that type of stat. I would say the cherry picking was done by those pointing out he's about to break the all time three pointers made stat. I don't recall anyone announcing he broke the attempts record back in December. No different from a player who is scoring a bunch but has a bad shooting percentage. Not sure about him having 40 to 50 desperation threes but if that is true than another example of our poor offensive scheme and I don't hold DSR accountable for that. Let me know when the parade is coming down M Street to celebrate and I'll be there with balloons. No matter how many times you type nonsense it's not going to come true. Go learn something about basketball.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 13, 2016 17:46:11 GMT -5
This is the part that gets my goat, as though becoming the leader in 3s is tainted because he only shot 38% instead of Wallaces admittedly bery efficient 43%. And the implication that 38% isnt way above average at any volume. You have already been pointed to the fact that Wallace made the last second pass to a teammate in late clock situations whereas DSR is the one receiving that pass, meaning he has been forced to shoot a lot more desperation threes, maybe 40 or 50 of the 85ish more attempts he has made. Plus, he has been The Man most seasons in terms of scoring, while Wallace never had to be our No. 1 option and had a much deeper supporting cast through his career. If you must, marvel in DSR having nearly as many assists as Wallace despite never having a finisher like Green or even Hibbert to throw it down to. In short, there is no need to cherry pick on stat, misinterpret it's significance and how it got to be what it is and then use it to bash one of our programs stars. That isn't how fans play their role in a sports program and you are here because you are a fan, not because of your skills and erudition as a basketball analyst. Yes, we very much should celebrate DSR being exactly the player he is. It's 37% even with rounding against 43% (37.3% to 43.3%). I'm not trying to detract from anyone just pointing out something that is very real when looking at that type of stat. I would say the cherry picking was done by those pointing out he's about to break the all time three pointers made stat. I don't recall anyone announcing he broke the attempts record back in December. No different from a player who is scoring a bunch but has a bad shooting percentage. Not sure about him having 40 to 50 desperation threes but if that is true than another example of our poor offensive scheme and I don't hold DSR accountable for that. Let me know when the parade is coming down M Street to celebrate and I'll be there with balloons. So should we not celebrate you as deleted in HT history simply because you've taken the most attempts at posting deleted crap? I guess you're what we call a deleted.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 13, 2016 18:18:44 GMT -5
It's 37% even with rounding against 43% (37.3% to 43.3%). I'm not trying to detract from anyone just pointing out something that is very real when looking at that type of stat. I would say the cherry picking was done by those pointing out he's about to break the all time three pointers made stat. I don't recall anyone announcing he broke the attempts record back in December. No different from a player who is scoring a bunch but has a bad shooting percentage. Not sure about him having 40 to 50 desperation threes but if that is true than another example of our poor offensive scheme and I don't hold DSR accountable for that. Let me know when the parade is coming down M Street to celebrate and I'll be there with balloons. So should we not celebrate you as the most deleted in HT history simply because you've taken the most attempts at posting deleted crap? I guess you're what we call a deleted. Your hero really stepped up today and put that team on his back. Nice shot selection at the end as well (did I just think selfish and foolish). I'm sorry I would ever question his accomplishment of trying to be the all time three point leader in Hoya history. I'll give you my glass is half full outlook since that's what you need to hear. At least they played their best in the second half with players who all should be back next year. Can't wait for more brilliant analysis from you and the other enlightened members of this board.
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AltoSaxa
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Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 13, 2016 18:19:57 GMT -5
Glad he is a Hoya but is DSR to Georgetown as Scottie Reynolds was to Nova? (Just a visceral response without consideration for stats)
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Feb 13, 2016 21:40:29 GMT -5
So should we not celebrate you as the most ignorant moron in HT history simply because you've taken the most attempts at posting ignorant moronic crap? I guess you're what we call a volume moron. Your hero really stepped up today and put that team on his back. Nice shot selection at the end as well (did I just think selfish and foolish). I'm sorry I would ever question his accomplishment of trying to be the all time three point leader in Hoya history. I'll give you my glass is half full outlook since that's what you need to hear. At least they played their best in the second half with players who all should be back next year. Can't wait for more brilliant analysis from you and the other enlightened members of this board. Hahah yeah cherry picking stats is always the foundation of a great argument. Especially when they only vaguely relate to the issue at hand.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 13, 2016 21:53:16 GMT -5
Your hero really stepped up today and put that team on his back. Nice shot selection at the end as well (did I just think selfish and foolish). I'm sorry I would ever question his accomplishment of trying to be the all time three point leader in Hoya history. I'll give you my glass is half full outlook since that's what you need to hear. At least they played their best in the second half with players who all should be back next year. Can't wait for more brilliant analysis from you and the other enlightened members of this board. Hahah yeah cherry picking stats is always the foundation of a great argument. Especially when they only vaguely relate to the issue at hand. What issue is that genius as I'm not sure there's any issue at hand? Just you continuing to spout nonsense. Continue taking your Hoya pills and things will look rosy.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Feb 13, 2016 22:43:40 GMT -5
Hahah yeah cherry picking stats is always the foundation of a great argument. Especially when they only vaguely relate to the issue at hand. What issue is that genius as I'm not sure there's any issue at hand? Just you continuing to spout nonsense. Continue taking your Hoya pills and things will look rosy. The debate is whether or not DSR place on the 3pt list should merit true appreciation, it's not exactly a secret. You're the one who derailed the thread with nonsense.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 13, 2016 22:58:17 GMT -5
What issue is that genius as I'm not sure there's any issue at hand? Just you continuing to spout nonsense. Continue taking your Hoya pills and things will look rosy. The debate is whether or not DSR place on the 3pt list should merit true appreciation, it's not exactly a secret. You're the one who derailed the thread with nonsense. You still don't get it do you? No one derailed anything, they just pointed out some reality that made shots accompany attempted shots. I know you don't want to hear that but they kind of go hand in hand. All I did was ask the question and that set this thread off as no one can bear to actually engage in any real discussion. Let's hope for better times next season as this one is done. I do have hope as we have some tremendous talent at the freshman and sophomore classes if our esteemed staff can pull it together and achieve.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 10:12:14 GMT -5
Well I guess he's number 1 now in 3pters made however 7-27 and 3-15 from 3 the last 2 games.
Serious question what are DSR's signature performances? I remember Austin against Duke Uconn, Chris against Cuse senior year, Jason bringing us back from down 20 against Marquette etc What are Dsr's?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 10:17:57 GMT -5
Glad he is a Hoya but is DSR to Georgetown as Scottie Reynolds was to Nova? (Just a visceral response without consideration for stats) I wish - Scottie made a Final Four.
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