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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 14, 2016 9:42:30 GMT -5
Obviously most importantly, it was nice to get a necessary win (regardless of the score) but nicer to do it in the manner we did. Once again, we'll go as far as our percentage of made open threes will take us. It was nice to see DSR and Reggie combine to hit 8 (and at 50%), with virtually all of them open ones, and that's really what we need. It was nicer, still, that we ran our offense in such a way as to generate those open looks. But let's be realistic about the offense: We haven't shown the ability to consistently make the open threes from game to game and we still aren't able to consistently use our shooting as a means to open up other things (like open layups). That's the next step, and it's a step that given our offensive structure we ought to be able to take. We need to if we're going to take the next step as a team offensively.
i thought we showed some improvement defensively. The use of the press was again good and didn't really bite us, which makes it a winning strategy. I thought we generally stayed in front of our man and our rotations were better. Sure, St. John's isn't very good, but that hasn't stopped us from being terrible defensively before.
The use of R. Williams was interesting. I'm pretty sure that when he played in the first half, none of the other options at guard (DSR, Campbell, Peak, Johnson) had two fouls. He only got two minutes or so in the first half (the rest came when the game was not in doubt in the second half), but I still thought it was interesting. I assume that won't be a regular feature and that III simply knew this game was well in hand even then, but maybe not. It also may be that he thinks Williams may be necessary for at least spot minutes against the Villanova guard-heavy lineup. If so, it was a very prudent move. (Mourning played significant first-half minutes, but those were entirely due to foul issues.)
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 14, 2016 9:53:24 GMT -5
I think Williams got the first half run because Tre didn't rotate a few times on Mussini which clearly was a focal point of our D for the game. I like it. Give a kid the hook for not following the plan. Ike was also trying to get to the glass & rim vs. always settling which was encouraging. Good game, didn't play to the level of the comp. Now the big boy part of our schedule starts. If we get two of next three (a very tall order), my optimism level will be back to normal. I don't see us beating X at X but Nova at home and Uconn at Uconn have potential.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 14, 2016 10:10:52 GMT -5
Obviously most importantly, it was nice to get a necessary win (regardless of the score) but nicer to do it in the manner we did. Once again, we'll go as far as our percentage of made open threes will take us. It was nice to see DSR and Reggie combine to hit 8 (and at 50%), with virtually all of them open ones, and that's really what we need. It was nicer, still, that we ran our offense in such a way as to generate those open looks. But let's be realistic about the offense: We haven't shown the ability to consistently make the open threes from game to game and we still aren't able to consistently use our shooting as a means to open up other things (like open layups). That's the next step, and it's a step that given our offensive structure we ought to be able to take. We need to if we're going to take the next step as a team offensively. i thought we showed some improvement defensively. The use of the press was again good and didn't really bite us, which makes it a winning strategy. I thought we generally stayed in front of our man and our rotations were better. Sure, St. John's isn't very good, but that hasn't stopped us from being terrible defensively before. The use of R. Williams was interesting. I'm pretty sure that when he played in the first half, none of the other options at guard (DSR, Campbell, Peak, Johnson) had two fouls. He only got two minutes or so in the first half (the rest came when the game was not in doubt in the second half), but I still thought it was interesting. I assume that won't be a regular feature and that III simply knew this game was well in hand even then, but maybe not. It also may be that he thinks Williams may be necessary for at least spot minutes against the Villanova guard-heavy lineup. If so, it was a very prudent move. (Mourning played significant first-half minutes, but those were entirely due to foul issues.) Lots of good points here. I agree that the use of Williams was strategic, much as JTIII did with John Caprio's appearances that paid off in later games (particularly at Butler). Given the struggles Campbell and Peak are undergoing, no sense not to go to other options for brief spots. That was a really bad St. John's team last night. Lots of people out of place on the court, lots of misses inside, lots of mental mistakes. I wish them all success as four-year players, but Mullin could easily drop half the roster for next year and not miss much.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 14, 2016 11:03:35 GMT -5
YUP OLD SHCOOL HOYAS LOOKED OUT THERE KEEP IT UP VS NOVA let the games begin. WOWOWOWO especially no marcus and no paul WOOWOWWOWOWO younins and bench stepped it up WILL NEED MARCUS PLEASSSEEEE but also the name sakes to help out Tres and Mr williams go hoyas. ITS HOYA TIME and mullin IS loading up yup will be a factor in the big east in a year or two GO HOYAS BO BIG EAST.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 14, 2016 11:03:39 GMT -5
I thought Tre Campbell had a decent game and I was glad JT3 gave him a lot of minutes. We need him to be better than he has been this season. I thought he was actually quite good on offense last year in the latter half of the season, but that hasn't carried over at all. He really is very fast with the ball, but still very much a work in progress. Was hoping to see a Markel Starks like progression, so we'll see.
Another take away...holy crap Jessie Govan is a great free throw shooter. Bodes really well for him turning into a monster offensive weapon sooner rather than later. Free throw shooting is a really good proxy for shooting generally, and if he's a legitimate 90 percent free throw shooter, he may be a 45 percent three point shooter. Putting him on the floor with DSR, Derrickson, and/or Cameron can really stretch opposing defenses in a way we haven't really been able to do under JT3 ever.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 14, 2016 11:39:11 GMT -5
With regard to Tre and comparing his minutes to the minutes we got from Riyan, I could see, in closer games, playing offense/defense with those two depending on the rest of the personnel on the floor. Riyan looks to be really quick laterally and Tre continues to, inexplicably, completely lose his man much more often than should be the case. Not the type where Tre can't get through a pick and his guy gets free. The kind where his man literally walks or jogs away and Tre has no recognition of that fact. That has to change and change quickly. Either way, I think Riyan is noticeably quicker than Tre laterally and would have better success keeping his man in front of him.
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Post by gahoya on Jan 14, 2016 11:42:08 GMT -5
Missed the entire game yesterday and haven't read any of the thread yet - anyone know of a replay stream online?
Will be at the Nova game for my only game this year, and want to watch the preceding game.
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Post by guru on Jan 14, 2016 12:02:27 GMT -5
- Start Govan. He's our best center, and he's getting better every game. His homecoming game is the perfect spot to make this move. Hayes becomes a very valuable weapon off the bench, used in spurts.
- Hope that JT3 has woken up and will start to acknowledge the new rules on defense, and that we will begin to modify our play accordingly. Thus far, we haven't changed our style of play at all - and we can't play it anymore and expect to win many games.
- Hope that JT3 has woken up and will start to acknowledge the shortened shot clock. Too many times this season, the team has been forced to heave up an ill-advised shot at the end of the clock. The offense, which already slows down each possession, has not been adjusted at all in response to the loss of 5 seconds on each possession. Not sure either of these issues can be fixed much this season, but a strategic/preparation nod to the new rules would be nice to see. In the offseason, he needs to take a long, hard look at his philosophy, and how it can be tweaked to fit the current environment
- Play Better. As spectacularly as our coach has failed thus far this season, he hasn't been helped out by his player's execution. There is talent on this roster - but it has barely been evident over the past month-plus. A middling opponent like St. John's offers a great opportunity to rebuild some confidence and build some momentum heading into what is — let's face it — a make or break game against a very good Villanova team this Saturday. Win tonight, and win that one, and we may have something to get excited about.
P.S. - this is as dead as I can ever remember this board being, even dating back to the Esh days. DFW, is my perception accurate? What's the traffic like for this board these days? Just seems like many die-hards have been driven off — either by the tone here, or the generally lackluster play of the team this season.
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 14, 2016 12:20:26 GMT -5
I was at the game tonight, about 10 rows behind the St. John's bench. I realize I was probably deep within the St. John's season ticket area, but while the crowd wasn't huge, they had quite a few dedicated fans. Many of the fans were men in their 50s/60s, which isn't shocking, especially with Mullin coming back into the program. When the starters and coach were announced at the beginning, Mullin got the best ovation. A lot is said about chemistry. Admittedly, these are my observations based on what I saw, but I didn't see anything notable that would indicate chemistry problems at all. The guys were generally smiling, commenting to one another, and happy for one another at the success. It's true that our current group may not be as outwardly effusive as people like Trawick and Tyler Adams were, but I didn't see anything concerning at all. In the second half, our defense was right in front of me. I tried to watch closely. It wasn't perfect, but on individual possessions, DSR showed some very nice defense, and the same is true of Isaac. It isn't necessarily consistent, but it's there. That tells me there's some potential for our defense to get better. But, considering that St. John's is so awful, I am not sure it's that meaningful. The fouls are still a problem. St. John's fouled a lot too, so it was pretty balanced (unless you consult the St. John's fan who thought every call against them had to be wrong), but we really need to work on that. Some of the fouls were nitty, some were just bad on the part of our players. In sum, I am oddly optimistic for Saturday's game. I do think we pretty much need to bring the best offense and defense on Saturday to have a chance, but I think it's certainly possible. That may be true, but my section (lower center court opposite of benches) of similarly aged SJU fans was nearly apoplectic when Mullins spent large portions of the second half sitting on the bench "staring at the scoreboard" instead of coaching from the box...
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 14, 2016 12:20:31 GMT -5
Obviously most importantly, it was nice to get a necessary win (regardless of the score) but nicer to do it in the manner we did. Once again, we'll go as far as our percentage of made open threes will take us. It was nice to see DSR and Reggie combine to hit 8 (and at 50%), with virtually all of them open ones, and that's really what we need. It was nicer, still, that we ran our offense in such a way as to generate those open looks. But let's be realistic about the offense: We haven't shown the ability to consistently make the open threes from game to game and we still aren't able to consistently use our shooting as a means to open up other things (like open layups). That's the next step, and it's a step that given our offensive structure we ought to be able to take. We need to if we're going to take the next step as a team offensively. i thought we showed some improvement defensively. The use of the press was again good and didn't really bite us, which makes it a winning strategy. I thought we generally stayed in front of our man and our rotations were better. Sure, St. John's isn't very good, but that hasn't stopped us from being terrible defensively before. The use of R. Williams was interesting. I'm pretty sure that when he played in the first half, none of the other options at guard (DSR, Campbell, Peak, Johnson) had two fouls. He only got two minutes or so in the first half (the rest came when the game was not in doubt in the second half), but I still thought it was interesting. I assume that won't be a regular feature and that III simply knew this game was well in hand even then, but maybe not. It also may be that he thinks Williams may be necessary for at least spot minutes against the Villanova guard-heavy lineup. If so, it was a very prudent move. (Mourning played significant first-half minutes, but those were entirely due to foul issues.) Always enjoy reading your take, aleutian. One thing I would like to point out is that, since that Monmouth/Ashville 2 game stretch where we shot the 3 horribly, we have been remarkably consistent from beyond the arc. In that 6 game stretch, our worst shooting performance, against DePaul second time, was 35.5%. In 4 of the 6 games, we shot it over 40%. Six games does not a season make, and there's still a long way to go. I hope we continue to shoot it this well, because we take a lot of them. Almost 42% of our shots are 3s.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 14, 2016 12:45:54 GMT -5
I was at the game tonight, about 10 rows behind the St. John's bench. I realize I was probably deep within the St. John's season ticket area, but while the crowd wasn't huge, they had quite a few dedicated fans. Many of the fans were men in their 50s/60s, which isn't shocking, especially with Mullin coming back into the program. When the starters and coach were announced at the beginning, Mullin got the best ovation. A lot is said about chemistry. Admittedly, these are my observations based on what I saw, but I didn't see anything notable that would indicate chemistry problems at all. The guys were generally smiling, commenting to one another, and happy for one another at the success. It's true that our current group may not be as outwardly effusive as people like Trawick and Tyler Adams were, but I didn't see anything concerning at all. In the second half, our defense was right in front of me. I tried to watch closely. It wasn't perfect, but on individual possessions, DSR showed some very nice defense, and the same is true of Isaac. It isn't necessarily consistent, but it's there. That tells me there's some potential for our defense to get better. But, considering that St. John's is so awful, I am not sure it's that meaningful. The fouls are still a problem. St. John's fouled a lot too, so it was pretty balanced (unless you consult the St. John's fan who thought every call against them had to be wrong), but we really need to work on that. Some of the fouls were nitty, some were just bad on the part of our players. In sum, I am oddly optimistic for Saturday's game. I do think we pretty much need to bring the best offense and defense on Saturday to have a chance, but I think it's certainly possible. That may be true, but my section (lower center court opposite of benches) of similarly aged SJU fans was nearly apoplectic when Mullins spent large portions of the second half sitting on the bench "staring at the scoreboard" instead of coaching from the box... That's all redmen.com can talk about as well. One of the issue greats players can have coaching is that they can have little patience for players so much worse than they were. Magic and Jordan apparently had that issue. Larry Bird did not. Time will tell if Mullin is more a Magic or a Larry.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 14, 2016 12:48:31 GMT -5
On to the Powerball...it was nice knowing you guys.. If I win the Hoyas will be playing in the Frazier Fieldhouse next season. Never mind. Phone Booth it is.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 14, 2016 12:54:21 GMT -5
As Aleutian notes, we're usually a one-trick pony on offense, and that's shooting. Great FT shooting, generally good three point shooting, and when Isaac wasn't completely out of sorts, even good mid-range. Plus a Hayes hook or two. Right now both DePaul and St. John's, despite our shooting well enough from three to beat them, refused to change their "pack it in" defenses. Villanova will likely not do that, so it'll be interesting if they challenge us more to drive/cut and if we can actually execute.
We obviously shot really well against SJU even despite not getting a ton of layups, but that wasn't the complete reason for the blowout on offense. It was also our second best offensive rebounding performance of the year (behind Cuse) and our second best turnover performance (behind Bryant). And everyone, including the ball boy, got to the line. In many of our previous games, we basically lost the turnover and rebounding battles, so we didn't just HAVE to shoot better, but we had to shoot a ton better to win. Yesterday, we played SJU even on the boards and foul drawing, won the turnover battle and so our large shooting advantage allowed a blowout.
But SJU is bad. They are basically Bryant. So while we played better than the sum of our previous games, I wouldn't overestimate this win. We were 7-8 pt favorites and we did outdo that... but SJU is not good.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Jan 14, 2016 16:01:27 GMT -5
Another take away...holy crap Jessie Govan is a great free throw shooter. Bodes really well for him turning into a monster offensive weapon sooner rather than later. Free throw shooting is a really good proxy for shooting generally, and if he's a legitimate 90 percent free throw shooter, he may be a 45 percent three point shooter. Putting him on the floor with DSR, Derrickson, and/or Cameron can really stretch opposing defenses in a way we haven't really been able to do under JT3 ever. At the moment, Govan is actually leading the team a 57.1% 3-point shooter, on 8-14 shooting. Not a huge sample size, but enough of one to think it's not a fluke. E.g., it's not the Roy Hibbert 3 against UConn. With a much higher number of makes and attempts (23-52), Marcus is shooting 44% from 3.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 14, 2016 16:14:37 GMT -5
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Post by wrestlemania on Jan 14, 2016 18:15:37 GMT -5
I don't think Mullin looks down his nose at his players. He's just facing reality -- he knows he cannot win with this group, and SJU is fine with that for now. I do hope he is able to turn it around -- it's tough for the Big East to reclaim its glory if the best college team in NY is Fordham.
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Post by Eurostar on Jan 14, 2016 20:15:16 GMT -5
One of the issue greats players can have coaching is that they can have little patience for players so much worse than they were. Magic and Jordan apparently had that issue. Larry Bird did not. Time will tell if Mullin is more a Magic or a Larry. Mullin looked like he couldn't be bothered to coach. Every time they cut to him, he avoided talking to his players and was just chewing his gum. Sitting on the scorers table with his feet dangling over the edge for long portions of the game.
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Post by richfame on Jan 14, 2016 20:20:08 GMT -5
I was right behind the bench and peak had a cut on his right elbow and me went back in after they got a band aid on it. Jtiii came down asking for him at one point and he seemed to say he either didn't want to go in or couldn't but kind of laughed. It was a curious exchange. Derrickson had a little limp and brace on knee so knee issue makes sense. Also interesting exchange when we had that hard but clean blocked shot and the johnnie hit the deck hard, Cameron got up off bench and celebrated loudly and jtiii gave him a death stare and told him to sit back down. Good info. Cameron seems like a good dude. Always seems pretty happy.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 15, 2016 1:17:24 GMT -5
One of the issue greats players can have coaching is that they can have little patience for players so much worse than they were. Magic and Jordan apparently had that issue. Larry Bird did not. Time will tell if Mullin is more a Magic or a Larry. Mullin looked like he couldn't be bothered to coach. Every time they cut to him, he avoided talking to his players and was just chewing his gum. Sitting on the scorers table with his feet dangling over the edge for long portions of the game. There was literally one huddle where he did not talk to them at all. In later ones, he did. It seemed like he deferred much to that former Kentucky assistant.
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 15, 2016 10:45:48 GMT -5
One of the issue greats players can have coaching is that they can have little patience for players so much worse than they were. Magic and Jordan apparently had that issue. Larry Bird did not. Time will tell if Mullin is more a Magic or a Larry. Mullin looked like he couldn't be bothered to coach. Every time they cut to him, he avoided talking to his players and was just chewing his gum. Sitting on the scorers table with his feet dangling over the edge for long portions of the game. The contrast between the in game coaching by JTIII and Mullin was a topic of heated discussion in my section. Old Johnnies were tearing their hair out at what they perceived was a wasted teaching moment for the team to try out different defensive schemes and personnel. Instead, they claimed he looked like he was on auto pilot and not even giving much guidance to his players.
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