The Scoring Drought

[SFHoya99]

After taking the lead to our highest levels at roughly 18:43 on the DSR 3, we then embarked on a terrible run of basketball. Our possessions:

1. An embarrassingly bad entry pass to Hayes by Copeland. Turnover.
2. A too quick 3 by Campbell of a screen. Miss on a shot that was in rhythm but a bit forced.
3. A terrible pass by Copeland that is easily intercepted. Turnover.
4. LJ's coast to coast offensive foul. Turnover.
5. A mediocre shot by Reggie off a fake. It's a long two and a not a great decision, but he was either fouled or blocked but for some reason, despite contact, it was an airball and Marquette ball. ty call, but not exactly a great decision to grab the long 2.
6. DSR screens off Hayes and had him for a cut to the basket, but ignores him in favor of Kaleb in the corner for a wide open 3. It's a bad choice -- one DSR made several times -- and Kaleb misses the open shot. Derrickson is shoved in the back on the offensive boards, so we get another chance. DSR feeds Hayes on a nice play for 2!
7. Hayes misses a hook and we somehow end up missing the chance at the loose ball like six times. Possession arrow Marquette.
8. Off an inbound, Copeland gets a wide open 18 footer that he misses. I'm no fan of the shot, but that's his shot. Hayes over the back for Marquette ball.
9. Inbounds play where Kaleb gets a pass right in front of the basket... and he flubs catching the ball. Turnover.
10. Backdoor to Copeland (mirroring a play versus DePaul). I don't think he could have scored it, but he had options, except he lost it out of bounds. Turnover.
11. Inside to Derrickson. Nice jumphook, but short.
12. This possession is a frantic one. Bad entry pass by Derrickson to Hayes creates a loose ball that goes to Johnson. After some passing around, DSR drives and dishes to Kaleb, who passes up the three he missed earlier to drive. He misses the shot but grabs the rebound and is fouled. On the inbounds, the next sequence is the first one that doesn't generate much at all, forcing a long DSR 2 at the end of the shot clock, but Kaleb grabs the O board. After some more passing around, DSR drives and dishes to Hayes for the easy roll in and -- MISSED. Tip back. Missed. Three offensive rebounds, two good shot plus a top back opportunity and nothing.
13. Lazy, crappy entry "pass" from Copeland to Hayes. Just awful. Turnover.
14. Copeland almost turns it over again at the top of the three and Hayes bails him out. Copeland then takes a long 2 near the end of the shot clock, missing it.

The next play is Cameron's 4pt play at 8:15.

That's 10 minutes with just two points. 14 possessions.

Of course, there were SIX turnovers. Six. A good team might commit 2 over that stretch; even Georgetown's average is only closer to 3. SIX. Copeland himself committed 4 and hurt another possession almost giving another up.

So now we're looking at 8 possessions. A couple of those ended on quick shots that didn't need to be taken. Four possessions ended where we had good shots we simply missed. One possessions actually ended in a score, and only one possession ended on a forced up shot at the end of the shot clock (though we had another where we got the O board). And that one was where Copeland almost lost the ball and disrupted the play.

Contrary to popular belief, we didn't ignore going inside. We did or tried to go inside on almost every possession. We didn't run the shot clock down and take desperation shots. Once the turnovers are removed, which is crappy execution, we had some decent shots we missed, we took a couple of bad shots. It's wasn't the best offense we've ever run and we certainly weren't creating easy dunks. But we didn't score here primarily because of execution. There were plays to be made.

[SaxaCD]

Lesson: Crisp passes and made bunnies = no scoring drought. Work on that, now.

[SaxaCD]

I used to chalk up Ike's turnovers to carelessness, but after rethinking it and after watching yesterday's game, I think it's more an indecision thing. He seems to telegraph where he's going to pass it, and then, after committing to it, almost holds back at the last second, as if rethinking the whole thing way too late. That kind of thing affects his shot occasionally, too -- he's at his best in flow and rhythm, and can score in bunches when it looks like he's "Feeling it" -- ie, not hesitating. It's why I have no problem at all with his quick 3 in that bad stretch -- that was the only play in which he looked relaxed and confident, and it's a shot I want him to take all the time (completely unguarded, feet set, body squared). I think that swagger is what is missing in Cope's game right now, and I don't mean false puffing himself up, I mean consistent decisiveness, whether passing, moving on screens or taking a shot. Yesterday, after 2 of the poor passes that were picked off, he was shaking his head, almost before the ball was deflected or stolen. He's got the talent; if he can gain that edge that looks to me more mental than physical (and we've seen plenty of glimpses of it), he can be elite.

Jan 3, 2016 20:58:20 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

After taking the lead to our highest levels at roughly 18:43 on the DSR 3, we then embarked on a terrible run of basketball. Our possessions:

1. An embarrassingly bad entry pass to Hayes by Copeland. Turnover.
2. A too quick 3 by Campbell of a screen. Miss on a shot that was in rhythm but a bit forced.
3. A terrible pass by Copeland that is easily intercepted. Turnover.
4. LJ's coast to coast offensive foul. Turnover.
5. A mediocre shot by Reggie off a fake. It's a long two and a not a great decision, but he was either fouled or blocked but for some reason, despite contact, it was an airball and Marquette ball. Editedty call, but not exactly a great decision to grab the long 2.
6. DSR screens off Hayes and had him for a cut to the basket, but ignores him in favor of Kaleb in the corner for a wide open 3. It's a bad choice -- one DSR made several times -- and Kaleb misses the open shot. Derrickson is shoved in the back on the offensive boards, so we get another chance. DSR feeds Hayes on a nice play for 2!
7. Hayes misses a hook and we somehow end up missing the chance at the loose ball like six times. Possession arrow Marquette.
8. Off an inbound, Copeland gets a wide open 18 footer that he misses. I'm no fan of the shot, but that's his shot. Hayes over the back for Marquette ball.
9. Inbounds play where Kaleb gets a pass right in front of the basket... and he flubs catching the ball. Turnover.
10. Backdoor to Copeland (mirroring a play versus DePaul). I don't think he could have scored it, but he had options, except he lost it out of bounds. Turnover.
11. Inside to Derrickson. Nice jumphook, but short.
12. This possession is a frantic one. Bad entry pass by Derrickson to Hayes creates a loose ball that goes to Johnson. After some passing around, DSR drives and dishes to Kaleb, who passes up the three he missed earlier to drive. He misses the shot but grabs the rebound and is fouled. On the inbounds, the next sequence is the first one that doesn't generate much at all, forcing a long DSR 2 at the end of the shot clock, but Kaleb grabs the O board. After some more passing around, DSR drives and dishes to Hayes for the easy roll in and -- MISSED. Tip back. Missed. Three offensive rebounds, two good shot plus a top back opportunity and nothing.
13. Lazy, crappy entry "pass" from Copeland to Hayes. Just awful. Turnover.
14. Copeland almost turns it over again at the top of the three and Hayes bails him out. Copeland then takes a long 2 near the end of the shot clock, missing it.

The next play is Cameron's 4pt play at 8:15.

That's 10 minutes with just two points. 14 possessions.

Of course, there were SIX turnovers. Six. A good team might commit 2 over that stretch; even Georgetown's average is only closer to 3. SIX. Copeland himself committed 4 and hurt another possession almost giving another up.

So now we're looking at 8 possessions. A couple of those ended on quick shots that didn't need to be taken. Four possessions ended where we had good shots we simply missed. One possessions actually ended in a score, and only one possession ended on a forced up shot at the end of the shot clock (though we had another where we got the O board). And that one was where Copeland almost lost the ball and disrupted the play.

Contrary to popular belief, we didn't ignore going inside. We did or tried to go inside on almost every possession. We didn't run the shot clock down and take desperation shots. Once the turnovers are removed, which is crappy execution, we had some decent shots we missed, we took a couple of bad shots. It's wasn't the best offense we've ever run and we certainly weren't creating easy dunks. But we didn't score here primarily because of execution. There were plays to be made.

[eagle54]

Who could even read these posts? brevity is a great charm of eloquence.

[SDHoya]

The first half we kept a fast pace, which opened up a ton of space. That coupled with great execution made for a near flawless 20 minutes. After we hit those two 3's to start the 2nd half, we seemed to play much more cautiously and without the pace and intensity of the first half. That, coupled with the not unexpected (for any team) cooling off made for a very rough patch.

[eagle54]

Jan 3, 2016 22:57:38 GMT -5 SDHoya said:

The first half we kept a fast pace, which opened up a ton of space. That coupled with great execution made for a near flawless 20 minutes. After we hit those two 3's to start the 2nd half, we seemed to play much more cautiously and without the pace and intensity of the first half. That, coupled with the not unexpected (for any team) cooling off made for a very rough patch.

is that what they said above?  

[tashoya]

Jan 3, 2016 22:51:41 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

Who could even read these posts? brevity is a great charm of eloquence.

Clearly, not always. It was a play-by-play.

[eagle54]

You like that TAS? We all watched the game but we need to read it? Maybe the written word captures it better then just watching it?

[eagle54]

Get to the point rather than a page full of posts that no one will read a day later. Summarize your point if you will.

[tashoya]

Jan 3, 2016 21:47:34 GMT -5 SaxaCD said:

I used to chalk up Ike's turnovers to carelessness, but after rethinking it and after watching yesterday's game, I think it's more an indecision thing. He seems to telegraph where he's going to pass it, and then, after committing to it, almost holds back at the last second, as if rethinking the whole thing way too late. That kind of thing affects his shot occasionally, too -- he's at his best in flow and rhythm, and can score in bunches when it looks like he's "Feeling it" -- ie, not hesitating. It's why I have no problem at all with his quick 3 in that bad stretch -- that was the only play in which he looked relaxed and confident, and it's a shot I want him to take all the time (completely unguarded, feet set, body squared). I think that swagger is what is missing in Cope's game right now, and I don't mean false puffing himself up, I mean consistent decisiveness, whether passing, moving on screens or taking a shot. Yesterday, after 2 of the poor passes that were picked off, he was shaking his head, almost before the ball was deflected or stolen. He's got the talent; if he can gain that edge that looks to me more mental than physical (and we've seen plenty of glimpses of it), he can be elite.

Jan 3, 2016 20:58:20 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

After taking the lead to our highest levels at roughly 18:43 on the DSR 3, we then embarked on a terrible run of basketball. Our possessions:

1. An embarrassingly bad entry pass to Hayes by Copeland. Turnover.
2. A too quick 3 by Campbell of a screen. Miss on a shot that was in rhythm but a bit forced.
3. A terrible pass by Copeland that is easily intercepted. Turnover.
4. LJ's coast to coast offensive foul. Turnover.
5. A mediocre shot by Reggie off a fake. It's a long two and a not a great decision, but he was either fouled or blocked but for some reason, despite contact, it was an airball and Marquette ball. Editedty call, but not exactly a great decision to grab the long 2.
6. DSR screens off Hayes and had him for a cut to the basket, but ignores him in favor of Kaleb in the corner for a wide open 3. It's a bad choice -- one DSR made several times -- and Kaleb misses the open shot. Derrickson is shoved in the back on the offensive boards, so we get another chance. DSR feeds Hayes on a nice play for 2!
7. Hayes misses a hook and we somehow end up missing the chance at the loose ball like six times. Possession arrow Marquette.
8. Off an inbound, Copeland gets a wide open 18 footer that he misses. I'm no fan of the shot, but that's his shot. Hayes over the back for Marquette ball.
9. Inbounds play where Kaleb gets a pass right in front of the basket... and he flubs catching the ball. Turnover.
10. Backdoor to Copeland (mirroring a play versus DePaul). I don't think he could have scored it, but he had options, except he lost it out of bounds. Turnover.
11. Inside to Derrickson. Nice jumphook, but short.
12. This possession is a frantic one. Bad entry pass by Derrickson to Hayes creates a loose ball that goes to Johnson. After some passing around, DSR drives and dishes to Kaleb, who passes up the three he missed earlier to drive. He misses the shot but grabs the rebound and is fouled. On the inbounds, the next sequence is the first one that doesn't generate much at all, forcing a long DSR 2 at the end of the shot clock, but Kaleb grabs the O board. After some more passing around, DSR drives and dishes to Hayes for the easy roll in and -- MISSED. Tip back. Missed. Three offensive rebounds, two good shot plus a top back opportunity and nothing.
13. Lazy, crappy entry "pass" from Copeland to Hayes. Just awful. Turnover.
14. Copeland almost turns it over again at the top of the three and Hayes bails him out. Copeland then takes a long 2 near the end of the shot clock, missing it.

The next play is Cameron's 4pt play at 8:15.

That's 10 minutes with just two points. 14 possessions.

Of course, there were SIX turnovers. Six. A good team might commit 2 over that stretch; even Georgetown's average is only closer to 3. SIX. Copeland himself committed 4 and hurt another possession almost giving another up.

So now we're looking at 8 possessions. A couple of those ended on quick shots that didn't need to be taken. Four possessions ended where we had good shots we simply missed. One possessions actually ended in a score, and only one possession ended on a forced up shot at the end of the shot clock (though we had another where we got the O board). And that one was where Copeland almost lost the ball and disrupted the play.

Contrary to popular belief, we didn't ignore going inside. We did or tried to go inside on almost every possession. We didn't run the shot clock down and take desperation shots. Once the turnovers are removed, which is crappy execution, we had some decent shots we missed, we took a couple of bad shots. It's wasn't the best offense we've ever run and we certainly weren't creating easy dunks. But we didn't score here primarily because of execution. There were plays to be made.

I agree on the indecision part which is more concerning actually. You'd think that with the amount of time he's played and with the practice time he's put in as well, that he'd be getting more decisive and not less so. We're going to need Isaac to, at times, put up big numbers. Part of that is confidence. Think less and play more. I know that Georgetown stresses the "right" play but that doesn't mean take the "just play" out of it. On offense, Isaac's BB IQ seems to me to be a bit ahead of his defense in terms of it being more automatic for him or having the right instincts. He should trust that and just play. A kid with his abilities will be able to make up for whatever offensive mistakes he's making by continuing to put pressure on defenses. And please, please stop settling for long 2's and 3's. He's got more game than that. I did notice him try to post up his man yesterday. I liked seeing that from him. I don't see Ike penetrating much because his handle isn't there yet but I'd love to see him post the smaller defenders he sees.

[eagle54]

That's mature.

[tashoya]

Jan 3, 2016 23:07:19 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

You like that TAS? We all watched the game but we need to read it? Maybe the written word captures it better then just watching it?

Actually, I don't have to read it if I don't want to but, either way, I appreciate that the time was taken to break it out, play by play, by a poster that was trying to point out what still needs to change for this team to succeed. While we all watch the games, it's pretty clear that a large number of us, even in watching, don't know what the hell we're seeing/talking about. It makes it much easier to have a play by play reference point as a basis for a discussion.

[tashoya]

Jan 3, 2016 23:07:19 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

You like that TAS? We all watched the game but we need to read it? Maybe the written word captures it better then just watching it?

I actually wouldn't mind that post on a bulletin board in the locker room because it was an awful stretch of basketball that, as has been the case oftentimes this year, came down to poor execution. It's a theme and it should be pointed out at every opportunity. I hope they are drilling that stretch in practice because you can't have stretches like that and expect to win most nights. Luckily, they started well and Marquette isn't very good. But, as we've seen, we can lose to not very good teams. When our guys play like the stretch enumerated, we're not a very good team either. The margin for error is small.

[eagle54]

I suppose but I think we can get to the point and treat this bottom line oriented without people having to compose a sentence about each possession. I do acknowledge that you appreciate someone is doing that and I appreciate that person who is doing that. I just think maybe a bit overkill, maybe?

[eagle54]

Jan 3, 2016 23:16:19 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Jan 3, 2016 23:07:19 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

You like that TAS? We all watched the game but we need to read it? Maybe the written word captures it better then just watching it?

I actually wouldn't mind that post on a bulletin board in the locker room because it was an awful stretch of basketball that, as has been the case oftentimes this year, came down to poor execution. It's a theme and it should be pointed out at every opportunity. I hope they are drilling that stretch in practice because you can't have stretches like that and expect to win most nights. Luckily, they started well and Marquette isn't very good. But, as we've seen, we can lose to not very good teams. When our guys play like the stretch enumerated, we're not a very good team either. The margin for error is small.

No one on this team nor I would have the attention span to get through it.  Bulletin Board material is a sentence.  

[tashoya]

Jan 3, 2016 23:16:22 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

I suppose but I think we can get to the point and treat this bottom line oriented without people having to compose a sentence about each possession. I do acknowledge that you appreciate someone is doing that and I appreciate that person who is doing that. I just think maybe a bit overkill, maybe?

Personally, I like it. Because I think it has value and, eventually, I try to re-watch every game so I like having the perspective of others when I do.

[eagle54]

Jan 3, 2016 23:17:41 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Jan 3, 2016 23:16:22 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

I suppose but I think we can get to the point and treat this bottom line oriented without people having to compose a sentence about each possession. I do acknowledge that you appreciate someone is doing that and I appreciate that person who is doing that. I just think maybe a bit overkill, maybe?

Personally, I like it. Because I think it has value and, eventually, I try to re-watch every game so I like having the perspective of others when I do.

That's fair but I don't think this board is doing that so I think too much for the masses.  Maybe someone can start a thread for breaking every play down in detail that others can skip.  

[tashoya]

Jan 3, 2016 23:17:29 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

Jan 3, 2016 23:16:19 GMT -5 tashoya said:

I actually wouldn't mind that post on a bulletin board in the locker room because it was an awful stretch of basketball that, as has been the case oftentimes this year, came down to poor execution. It's a theme and it should be pointed out at every opportunity. I hope they are drilling that stretch in practice because you can't have stretches like that and expect to win most nights. Luckily, they started well and Marquette isn't very good. But, as we've seen, we can lose to not very good teams. When our guys play like the stretch enumerated, we're not a very good team either. The margin for error is small.

No one on this team nor I would have the attention span to get through it.  Bulletin Board material is a sentence.  

To each his own I guess. I don't have an attention disorder but, for those that do, by all means don't read the longer posts. Certainly don't bother commenting on the post that you didn't read. That seems fair, no? You didn't take the time to read the post but you did take the time to criticize its length. Seems odd is all. But, again, to each his own.

[tashoya]

Jan 3, 2016 23:20:07 GMT -5 eagle54 said:

Jan 3, 2016 23:17:41 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Personally, I like it. Because I think it has value and, eventually, I try to re-watch every game so I like having the perspective of others when I do.

That's fair but I don't think this board is doing that so I think too much for the masses.  Maybe someone can start a thread for breaking every play down in detail that others can skip.  

Someone did. This one. It started with a play by play of the scoring drought.

[bicentennial]

When you see bullet points if you don't want to read a page skip it!?