lichoya68
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OK YOUNGINS ARE HERE AND ARE VERY VERY GOOD cant wait GO HOYAS
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LJ
Feb 3, 2016 10:20:46 GMT -5
Post by lichoya68 on Feb 3, 2016 10:20:46 GMT -5
press everyone up the WHOLE game and then RUN just saying but must start it early and often RUN RUN RUN
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Feb 3, 2016 10:21:20 GMT -5
Post by lucky on Feb 3, 2016 10:21:20 GMT -5
Let me say the thing that no one wants to hear but may be heard a lot more in another month or two. Does LJ stay around for another year? In my mind he is being totally wasted on this team. Put him on a run and gun team and he would score 30 points a night and boost his NBA prospects. I've been thinking the same things, and not just for him.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 3, 2016 12:47:06 GMT -5
Let me say the thing that no one wants to hear but may be heard a lot more in another month or two. Does LJ stay around for another year? In my mind he is being totally wasted on this team. Put him on a run and gun team and he would score 30 points a night and boost his NBA prospects. Lol, he would still have foul trouble which would limit his minutes on another team. The new rules are holding him back not the coach or the Hoyas. In terms of the NBA draft he will probably go to the combine along with Copeland and maybe even Govan. The new rules this year let underclass men go to the combine and then they are still able to pull their name out of the draft and go back to school up to 10 days after the combine. They are allowed to go to the NBA combine and one team tryout per year. And can go to the combine multiple times. Which would mean max 4 times in a college career.
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LJ
Feb 4, 2016 9:19:20 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 4, 2016 9:19:20 GMT -5
Let me say the thing that no one wants to hear but may be heard a lot more in another month or two. Does LJ stay around for another year? In my mind he is being totally wasted on this team. Put him on a run and gun team and he would score 30 points a night and boost his NBA prospects. Don't forget transfers have to sit out a year and not play. For somebody itching to get to the NBA, that's not very enticing.
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Feb 4, 2016 9:47:34 GMT -5
Post by This Just In on Feb 4, 2016 9:47:34 GMT -5
For Peak or anyone else who decided to transfer they could apply for a waiver to play immediately, ala Josh Smith, then it would be up to the NCAA to decide.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 4, 2016 9:52:47 GMT -5
For Peak or anyone else who decided to transfer they could apply for a waiver to play immediately, ala Josh Smith, then it would be up to the NCAA to decide. You don't just get a waiver for no reason (although the NCAA in recent years has handed out hardships waivers quite a bit). I don't think "My coach doesn't run the type of system that maximizes my potential" qualifies as a hardship worthy of a waiver.
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LJ
Feb 4, 2016 9:54:37 GMT -5
Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 4, 2016 9:54:37 GMT -5
Let me say the thing that no one wants to hear but may be heard a lot more in another month or two. Does LJ stay around for another year? In my mind he is being totally wasted on this team. Put him on a run and gun team and he would score 30 points a night and boost his NBA prospects. Don't forget transfers have to sit out a year and not play. For somebody itching to get to the NBA, that's not very enticing. For this exact reason, I find it really hard to believe Peak would transfer. If he wants out of the program, it seems more likely he'd go pro, even if he's not a lock to get drafted.
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Feb 4, 2016 9:56:59 GMT -5
Post by This Just In on Feb 4, 2016 9:56:59 GMT -5
For Peak or anyone else who decided to transfer they could apply for a waiver to play immediately, ala Josh Smith, then it would be up to the NCAA to decide. You don't just get a waiver for no reason (although the NCAA in recent years has handed out hardships waivers quite a bit). I don't think "My coach doesn't run the type of system that maximizes my potential" qualifies as a hardship worthy of a waiver. But then why was Josh Smith given a waiver to play immediately? And it was not for a hardship.
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Feb 4, 2016 10:08:30 GMT -5
Post by guru on Feb 4, 2016 10:08:30 GMT -5
Don't forget transfers have to sit out a year and not play. For somebody itching to get to the NBA, that's not very enticing. For this exact reason, I find it really hard to believe Peak would transfer. If he wants out of the program, it seems more likely he'd go pro, even if he's not a lock to get drafted. Have to wonder if Peak regrets his decision - this system doesn't work for his game at all, and it hasn't been adjusted to maximize his strengths.
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 4, 2016 10:09:36 GMT -5
You don't just get a waiver for no reason (although the NCAA in recent years has handed out hardships waivers quite a bit). I don't think "My coach doesn't run the type of system that maximizes my potential" qualifies as a hardship worthy of a waiver. But then why was Josh Smith given a waiver to play immediately? And it was not for a hardship. "Season of Competition" waiver, not hardship. "Under NCAA rules, Division I players who transfer typically must sit out a full season before they’re allowed to compete. But Smith’s case was a bit unusual because he didn’t play a full fall semester for UCLA last year, quitting the team just six games into the season." "Moreover, he enrolled at Georgetown for the spring 2013 semester. That means he will have been on campus, taking classes and practicing with the Hoyas (though not allowed to compete) for 11 months when the upcoming basketball season starts." www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/ncaa-clears-josh-smith-to-play-at-start-of-season-for-georgetown/2013/10/23/3004f2e4-3c3c-11e3-b6a9-da62c264f40e_story.html
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 4, 2016 10:13:02 GMT -5
You don't just get a waiver for no reason (although the NCAA in recent years has handed out hardships waivers quite a bit). I don't think "My coach doesn't run the type of system that maximizes my potential" qualifies as a hardship worthy of a waiver. But then why was Josh Smith given a waiver to play immediately? And it was not for a hardship. Completely and utterly different situations. Smith's essentially was for hardship. He only played a handful of games his junior year before leaving UCLA, and he argued that he left because of abusive practices by the coach (which were well-documented) as well as weight issues (i.e. a health reason). Nothing like that would be in play here. We can argue about whether the transfer system is absurd (it is), but there wouldn't be a waiver in this situation.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 4, 2016 10:16:51 GMT -5
You don't just get a waiver for no reason (although the NCAA in recent years has handed out hardships waivers quite a bit). I don't think "My coach doesn't run the type of system that maximizes my potential" qualifies as a hardship worthy of a waiver. But then why was Josh Smith given a waiver to play immediately? And it was not for a hardship. Because the NCAA has no real guidelines for what constitutes hardship so they evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Some kids were granted them and many weren't, and the NCAA hardly ever gives reasons for their decisions. Smith's was puzzling and infuriating to a lot of people. No one really knows why he was granted the waiver - though it wasn't a typical waiver. In most hardship cases, a kid finishes the school year, transfers because of an illness in the family or something, and the waiver is intended to allow them to play immediately the following season since the transfer is deemed to be for non-basketball reasons. In Smith's case, he played 6 games for UCLA his junior year and quit. He transferred to Georgetown in the Spring semester but did not play that year. In the offseason, the NCAA decided to basically give him a do-over on those 6 games and give him 2 full years of eligiblity remaining. It was a little different than the true intention of the hardship waiver. The NCAA called it more of a "medical redshirt" situation.
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LJ
Feb 4, 2016 10:17:51 GMT -5
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 4, 2016 10:17:51 GMT -5
For this exact reason, I find it really hard to believe Peak would transfer. If he wants out of the program, it seems more likely he'd go pro, even if he's not a lock to get drafted. Have to wonder if Peak regrets his decision - this system doesn't work for his game at all, and it hasn't been adjusted to maximize his strengths. He's improved a good deal this year offensively -- better FG%, better 3FG%, etc. Much more efficient. So, if "development" is a factor, he would have to conclude that he has developed. He's playing roughly the same minutes as last year but only because of foul trouble, which is really due to defense and not offense. I honestly think he's been given essentially carte blanche to do what he does best when he's on the floor.
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LJ
Feb 4, 2016 10:18:43 GMT -5
Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 4, 2016 10:18:43 GMT -5
For this exact reason, I find it really hard to believe Peak would transfer. If he wants out of the program, it seems more likely he'd go pro, even if he's not a lock to get drafted. Have to wonder if Peak regrets his decision - this system doesn't work for his game at all, and it hasn't been adjusted to maximize his strengths. I've been thinking that for a good chunk of this season.
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LJ
Feb 4, 2016 10:22:10 GMT -5
Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 4, 2016 10:22:10 GMT -5
Who knows what LJ will decide; hopefully what legitimately is best for him and his family. I doubt that he would choose to transfer at this stage, but who knows.
LJ has a chance to finish this season very strong and see where that leads him. If he plays close to the level he played on Tuesday, he might get a look from the NBA, and he certainly could go to the NBDL or overseas somewhere. I hope that he comes back for at least another season, to get him closer to achieving his degree and because I think he would have the chance to be an elite player next season, which I think would benefit both him and the program.
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Feb 4, 2016 10:27:42 GMT -5
Post by This Just In on Feb 4, 2016 10:27:42 GMT -5
But then why was Josh Smith given a waiver to play immediately? And it was not for a hardship. "Season of Competition" waiver, not hardship. "Under NCAA rules, Division I players who transfer typically must sit out a full season before they’re allowed to compete. But Smith’s case was a bit unusual because he didn’t play a full fall semester for UCLA last year, quitting the team just six games into the season." "Moreover, he enrolled at Georgetown for the spring 2013 semester. That means he will have been on campus, taking classes and practicing with the Hoyas (though not allowed to compete) for 11 months when the upcoming basketball season starts." www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/ncaa-clears-josh-smith-to-play-at-start-of-season-for-georgetown/2013/10/23/3004f2e4-3c3c-11e3-b6a9-da62c264f40e_story.htmlI got responded back to by 3 people. I am using yours to respond back all But Johnny has the best explanation. Smith transferred to Georgetown in January, meaning when the season starts, he will have been a Hoya for roughly 11 months. Smith’s decision runs contrary to what the NCAA has done for others, namely Old Dominion’s Donte Hill, who was denied a waiver to play this season for the Monarchs after having played only eight minutes of a preseason scrimmage in 2010 for Clemson. There was no leniency for Smith.
An NCAA spokesman told The Washington Post that the decision on Smith was made “based on the totality of circumstances and well-being of the student-athlete,” and that no further details of the case could be provided because of privacy issues.
So on the surface, it looks like Georgetown got preferential treatment, and ODU did not. But we just don’t know if that’s really true. Because these decisions can be made without full disclosure, it leaves many scratching their head when two different outcomes result from similar circumstances.
Georgetown's Joshua Smith granted unlikely full NCAA waiver
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 4, 2016 10:28:02 GMT -5
I really don't see any of our players leaving the program this year. It is very unlikely that LJ, or any of our players, turn pro. An important rule change has been instituted by the NCAA this year. Players have the opportunity to accept an invitation to the combine and even have one tryout for each NBA team. They have a real opportunity to see what their draft stock is before making a final decision by the end of May. This will change the dynamics of the late recruiting period since coaches will need to hold the spot for their players who are going through this process. (Just as a footnote: I've yet to see this discussed by Hoya fans, though perhaps I've missed it. JT3 played a leadership role in effecting this reform and we should at least acknowledge that.)
A number of our players may test the waters, but it is unlilkely that they will actually participate in the draft. LJ is a potential future NBA player IMO, but he still has to work on his body control. His progress has been tremendous and I don't really see him leaving the coaching that has gotten him to this point. He never appears on projected draft lists and, barring a phenomenal turnaround and NCAA run, it appears unlikely he will get that attention this year. Even though the team has not gelled at all, they are making progress in their games individually.
I also do not see them being ready to play in Europe. They scout college players, there is an abundance of seniors ready to make that leap, and that transition takes a good deal of maturity. Frankly, it is also risky because players never know where they will end up. Some teams don't live up to their contracts, for instance.
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 4, 2016 10:28:03 GMT -5
You don't just get a waiver for no reason (although the NCAA in recent years has handed out hardships waivers quite a bit). I don't think "My coach doesn't run the type of system that maximizes my potential" qualifies as a hardship worthy of a waiver. But then why was Josh Smith given a waiver to play immediately? And it was not for a hardship. Ucla was in turmoil. There were reports that players were bullying other players and reports of drug use. Further, their coach was on borrowed time. Different situation
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Post by vv83 on Feb 4, 2016 10:28:27 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 4, 2016 10:40:05 GMT -5
I got responded back to by 3 people. I am using yours to respond back all But Johnny has the best explanation. Smith transferred to Georgetown in January, meaning when the season starts, he will have been a Hoya for roughly 11 months. Smith’s decision runs contrary to what the NCAA has done for others, namely Old Dominion’s Donte Hill, who was denied a waiver to play this season for the Monarchs after having played only eight minutes of a preseason scrimmage in 2010 for Clemson. There was no leniency for Smith.
An NCAA spokesman told The Washington Post that the decision on Smith was made “based on the totality of circumstances and well-being of the student-athlete,” and that no further details of the case could be provided because of privacy issues.
So on the surface, it looks like Georgetown got preferential treatment, and ODU did not. But we just don’t know if that’s really true. Because these decisions can be made without full disclosure, it leaves many scratching their head when two different outcomes result from similar circumstances.
Georgetown's Joshua Smith granted unlikely full NCAA waiver
Yeah, NCAA not known for its transparency so the "Seasons of Competition" waiver could have been cover for what johnny indicated.
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