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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Dec 14, 2015 21:53:31 GMT -5
Only DSR has shown any affinity to crash those boards. It would be nice to see Copeland get a couple of alley oops, it's not a high percentage shot but its most effective in breaking a teams confidence.
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justsaying
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Post by justsaying on Dec 14, 2015 23:15:54 GMT -5
I think some parts of the game when other teams appear to be getting around our big men and to the basket, Mourning maybe a good change of pace
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wnyhoya
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Post by wnyhoya on Dec 14, 2015 23:26:17 GMT -5
So how big are these guys? Do we have that much of a size advantage?
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 14, 2015 23:36:39 GMT -5
So how big are these guys? Do we have that much of a size advantage? They play about 40 minutes of players 6'9" and 6'10". They have a 6'6" guy and a lankier 6'7" guy that play most of the PF.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 14, 2015 23:37:52 GMT -5
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 15, 2015 8:20:27 GMT -5
We should crush these fools. Lots of emotion, VERY physical on both ends of the court, crash the boards, throw some elbows, and make them want to get back on the bus after the game.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 15, 2015 9:23:41 GMT -5
We're going to be bigger throughout the game at 1-4 on the court. That should be significant, though I'd be a lot happier if the guys in those spots had shown us some back to the basket game. This is a game where a good way to get DSR going could be to invert the post and have him post up the 5'8" guy (and same with Peak and Ike and Marcus) but that does not seem to be something we've really tried to do consistently in the past (either for strategic reasons or because it's just not in the skillset). Sure, DSR can shoot over his man, but he's struggled at times with matchups against quicker guards even if he has a height advantage.
Run them off the three point line and help positionally (don't try to block the shot).
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 15, 2015 9:50:35 GMT -5
PLEASE try to and succeed at blocking multiple outside shots tonight. Take good angles and leap with the intent of actually blocking the shot rather than just affecting it.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 15, 2015 10:12:42 GMT -5
This game concerns me for several reasons. They are a mid-major with small quick guards who can get to the hoop on drives or distribute and can hit the 3pt shot. Robinson is the closet guard to Radfords Davis they have faced. He could expose some of the same DSR's weaknesses as Radford did. They are smaller but quicker all around, so they will try to beat the Hoyas big men to a spot on their post up and do a lot of flopping. I am afraid because of their recent success they will get a lot of Cinderella treatment from the refs. The players will have to stay focused, especially with the Barnum and Bailey act they have going on on the sidelines.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 15, 2015 10:23:02 GMT -5
PLEASE try to and succeed at blocking multiple outside shots tonight. Take good angles and leap with the intent of actually blocking the shot rather than just affecting it. The advantages are obvious -- you block the shot. But so are the disadvantages. If you try to block it, you might get called for a foul even it's clean (see L.J.'s play last game). And you're obviously far more likely to legitimately foul if you're trying to block it than if you're just putting a hand in the face. Generally, fouling a jump shooter is a bad idea given the percentages (though, admittedly, that's not always true, even though people think it is). I think the conventional wisdom is that guys usually miss more jump shots with a hand in the face than they do if they're wide open, so if you contest (but don't risk a foul), you're optimizing the outcome by getting a hand in the face and, if they're shooting a three, running hard at them to try to get them to not shoot (or worse case, get a hand in the face). A truly great defender can size up when they're likely to get a block and can be more aggressive in that situation, but as I said, that's tough for young players (or guys that aren't great defenders to begin with). I don't have any problem with doing what we do, generally.
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Post by aristides on Dec 15, 2015 10:29:48 GMT -5
The best defense I can remember against DSR was by that short little Utah guard, Taylor. I don't know if Robinson plays defense like him but it's at least one instance where DSR's height advantage was a complete non-factor. I thought 5'8 guys were supposed to be ineffective at this level?
I think the key to the game will be to establish Hayes and Govan as scorers early and often. Should be a good test for the Hoyas.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 15, 2015 10:36:03 GMT -5
They are a good - though not great - three point shooting team. They're shooting 37% as a team, which is 92nd overall. In contrast, we are shooting them at 37.6%, 76th overall.
As I've said before, they are an excellent free throw team, so we cannot afford to let them into the bonus or double bonus with significant amounts of time left on the clock.
Rebounding is really where we could make a difference. They are an awful rebounding team. The problem is, we have not been that good at rebounding either, but we have significant height advantages in play. We need to make it happen.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 15, 2015 10:52:47 GMT -5
PLEASE try to and succeed at blocking multiple outside shots tonight. Take good angles and leap with the intent of actually blocking the shot rather than just affecting it. The advantages are obvious -- you block the shot. But so are the disadvantages. If you try to block it, you might get called for a foul even it's clean (see L.J.'s play last game). And you're obviously far more likely to legitimately foul if you're trying to block it than if you're just putting a hand in the face. Generally, fouling a jump shooter is a bad idea given the percentages (though, admittedly, that's not always true, even though people think it is). I think the conventional wisdom is that guys usually miss more jump shots with a hand in the face than they do if they're wide open, so if you contest (but don't risk a foul), you're optimizing the outcome by getting a hand in the face and, if they're shooting a three, running hard at them to try to get them to not shoot (or worse case, get a hand in the face). A truly great defender can size up when they're likely to get a block and can be more aggressive in that situation, but as I said, that's tough for young players (or guys that aren't great defenders to begin with). I don't have any problem with doing what we do, generally. I will live with those disadvantages. We need to be aggressive on defense and contest virtually everything, including most outside shots. I will live with some foul calls (legitimate or not- see the last nonsense call on LJ) to affect as many shots as possible. You impact more shots when the other team knows you are trying to stuff it back in their face. Oh, and I would LOVE for 'Nova to try to draw a bunch of fouls with their absurd dip and duck garbage. I say if they get us in the air, do not shy away from contact; instead, if they want to play that game, land on them and level those fools. What goes up must come down.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 15, 2015 10:57:23 GMT -5
The advantages are obvious -- you block the shot. But so are the disadvantages. If you try to block it, you might get called for a foul even it's clean (see L.J.'s play last game). And you're obviously far more likely to legitimately foul if you're trying to block it than if you're just putting a hand in the face. Generally, fouling a jump shooter is a bad idea given the percentages (though, admittedly, that's not always true, even though people think it is). I think the conventional wisdom is that guys usually miss more jump shots with a hand in the face than they do if they're wide open, so if you contest (but don't risk a foul), you're optimizing the outcome by getting a hand in the face and, if they're shooting a three, running hard at them to try to get them to not shoot (or worse case, get a hand in the face). A truly great defender can size up when they're likely to get a block and can be more aggressive in that situation, but as I said, that's tough for young players (or guys that aren't great defenders to begin with). I don't have any problem with doing what we do, generally. I will live with those disadvantages. We need to be aggressive on defense and contest virtually everything, including most outside shots. I will live with some foul calls (legitimate or not- see the last nonsense call on LJ) to affect as many shots as possible. You impact more shots when the other team knows you are trying to stuff it back in their face. Oh, and I would LOVE for 'Nova to try to draw a bunch of fouls with their absurd dip and duck garbage. I say if they get us in the air, do not shy away from contact; instead, if they want to play that game, land on them and level those fools. What goes up must come down. We're going to have to agree to disagree. More than probably any opponent we play, this is a team that makes its living at the foul line. Foul them and we play into their hands.
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Post by grandmahoya on Dec 15, 2015 11:29:42 GMT -5
In my local newspaper, the Asbury Park press, today's sports headline reads, "Hawks Looking to Slay Another Giant in Georgetown." With a photo of their moronic bench celebrating first home win over Wagner on Sunday. I do not want to see this bunch of clowns celebrating a win over us. A loss to this mid-major at home would certainly cook our Christmas Goose. We've got to get it done tonight. No silly fouls or turnovers, rebound the ball and guard the three point shot.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 15, 2015 11:50:32 GMT -5
Yes, please put an end to this Monmouth bench nonsense. I dont want to see any dunks. Knock them on their asses. And, let's just make sure the 3s they hit happen when we are up 25 with 8 minutes left....although, then again...make that 2 minutes left.
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Post by BigmanU on Dec 15, 2015 12:02:26 GMT -5
Monmouth scares me to death!!!! Another one of those small scoring guards in Justin Robinson (21 ppg) & another scoring guard Micah Seaborn (14 ppg) who love to chuck (& make) threes. We have to control the 3 point line and stop penetration.
Hoya faithful please ease my concerns & help talk me off the ledge.....
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 15, 2015 12:20:53 GMT -5
Monmouth scares me to death!!!! Another one of those small scoring guards in Justin Robinson (21 ppg) & another scoring guard Micah Seaborn (14 ppg) who love to chuck (& make) threes. We have to control the 3 point line and stop penetration. Hoya faithful please ease my concerns & help talk me off the ledge..... If we can't beat these guys in our house 10 games into the season, then we have all seriously overestimated our team. After beating USC, UCLA and ND, Monmouth is not sneaking up on anyone. They also lost to Canisius (3-6). Hoyas should win this one.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 15, 2015 12:34:56 GMT -5
Monmouth scares me to death!!!! Another one of those small scoring guards in Justin Robinson (21 ppg) & another scoring guard Micah Seaborn (14 ppg) who love to chuck (& make) threes. We have to control the 3 point line and stop penetration. Hoya faithful please ease my concerns & help talk me off the ledge..... If we can't beat these guys in our house 10 games into the season, then we have all seriously overestimated our team. After beating USC, UCLA and ND, Monmouth is not sneaking up on anyone. They also lost to Canisius (3-6). Hoyas should win this one. Exactly. No excuses for losing this game as the Hoyas are the better team. Not suggesting that an implosion is not possible, but at this point in the season there is no reason to not handle the pressure of playing a tough opponent, particularly at home. My concern is that I believe this is finals week and I hope that the players are mentally prepared for this game. Also wondering why the coach schedules during finals week. Seems like a guaranteed low turnout from the students and an unnecessary distraction for the players.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 15, 2015 12:55:24 GMT -5
Tough game that we SHOULD win. Let's see how the team responds. Has all the elements of a first-weekend NCAA game.
Gotta keep the fouls to a minimum, rebound, limit TOs, and limit open-look 3s .... in effect, all the things this team needs to work on to be successful later in the year.
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