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Post by Talos on Nov 23, 2015 9:12:08 GMT -5
Grayson Allen is tough, props to that kid but dam can't breathe on that kid without a whistle... wow DSR was creating the same contact off the dribble and didn't get any calls. I really felt those refs were completely intimidated by Coach K. There were several occasions when we had the ball, got obviously fouled and didn't get a call. Kalebs drive and score late in the 2nd half is one of several examples I could give. When they had the ball, the refs called it skinny jeans tight for them. You couldn't look at Allen the wrong way without it being a foul. Agreed. I actually thought the officiating was relatively fair in the first half. But I noticed Coach K was really riding the refs at the end of the first half, and sure enough the second half was officiated much differently. Allen has now been definitely elevated to my most hated college basketball player.......whining to the refs, IMO a very dirty shove of Peak after the whistle had blown, incessant drooling by Dukie V, ugly mug, and most importantly the fact that he never seems to miss a shot....
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Post by grandmahoya on Nov 23, 2015 10:29:54 GMT -5
Govan is getting better each game but need to focus on Defense and rebounding. The major question is does he have the strength/maturity right now to earn those bounds. His touch on O is beautiful and he has no hesitation. Encouraging start to the season for him.. Govan's only weakness I see so far is being more physical on the glass and securing those boards he gets his hands on and on defense. He has all the tools to be BIG TIME ELITE. It just take sometime to physically mature. I know they play different positions but Copeland had the same struggles as a freshman. We need Hayes in the game down the stretch to secure rebounds but we need Govan in because he is money at the down the stretch at the FT line where Hayes still somewhat struggles. Your right about his touch on his shot, it's so pretty! I agree. We need more offensive rebounding. That is one of our biggest weaknesses and it's been that way for several years. This is something they really have to work on to be an elite team.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 23, 2015 10:55:49 GMT -5
Do you mean Tre Campbell? Easy. You don't need to play too many guys 30 minutes a game. Depending on how they are doing on the court some guys like Reggie, Marcus, Kaleb and Trey Mourning won't get so many minutes. In some games a few of these guys may not see the court at all. But through their play either last season or so far this season (or both) these are the guys who will be/should be in the rotation even if it means seeing no time here and there: DSR Bradley Reggie Isaac LJ Paul Tre Trey M. Marcus Jessie Kaleb 11 guys. Either the best depth III has ever had or he has opened up to the idea of a larger rotation. Coach will have the luxury to adjust minutes towards the guys that are playing well that particular day and to play some matchups. How great is that? Another important benefit for the staff - with our depth and talent, they can make it clear that you had better work your butt off in practice EVERY DAY or there are plenty of options to take your minutes.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 23, 2015 11:02:17 GMT -5
I think we have all witnessed a lot of progress and improvement, but unfortunately the Radford, Maryland, and Duke losses make the trio of games against Syracuse, Charlotte, and UConn pretty darn important. 3-0 in these with a good conference record and we'll be fine. 2-1 is manageable. 1-2 becomes real dicey absent a very strong Big East record.
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Post by guru on Nov 23, 2015 11:11:51 GMT -5
I think we have all witnessed a lot of progress and improvement, but unfortunately the Radford, Maryland, and Duke losses make the trio of games against Syracuse, Charlotte, and UConn pretty darn important. 3-0 in these with a good conference record and we'll be fine. 2-1 is manageable. 1-2 becomes real dicey absent a very strong Big East record. It's really just the Radford loss that could put us in a bind. Hopefully all it means is we drop a seed or two come March (and I could care less about seeding at this point as we've had no luck as a top seed in nearly a decade). If we somehow play our way back to the bubble the Radford loss could loom larger. But I expect this team to have a really good record by season's end, and be comfortably into the tournament.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 23, 2015 11:29:08 GMT -5
I'm not really worried about the tournament.
This team has so much potential that if we are a bubble team come March, I'm going to be disappointed. And I'd almost rather be sitting there as a 7 seed that no one wants to play. So either we are clearly in or something didn't work right.
This team needs to learn to play defense and rebound. That's not small. But the offense could be devastating. They are so close to clicking on the cuts and Princeton elements. If this shooting isn't a mirage and the offensive rebounding comes together ... this could be a Top 5 offense.
The offensive rebounding is more important than people think -- it's a key way that we're going to combat the zone.
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Post by calhoya on Nov 23, 2015 12:17:29 GMT -5
I'm not really worried about the tournament. This team has so much potential that if we are a bubble team come March, I'm going to be disappointed. And I'd almost rather be sitting there as a 7 seed that no one wants to play. So either we are clearly in or something didn't work right. This team needs to learn to play defense and rebound. That's not small. But the offense could be devastating. They are so close to clicking on the cuts and Princeton elements. If this shooting isn't a mirage and the offensive rebounding comes together ... this could be a Top 5 offense. The offensive rebounding is more important than people think -- it's a key way that we're going to combat the zone. Rebounding is a major concern on both ends of the court. Unfortunately, Akoy was supposed to help there and will be missed. I do not see where the rebounding comes from right now. Don't see Hayes as developing quickly in this regard. Govan needs to get stronger and so too does Copeland. Derrickson and Johnson are possibilities but both are going to be undersized in many match-ups. Not so worried about the shooting now as before because between Ike, DSR, Reggie and Derrickson they have four players who have proven capable of hitting the 3. The additions of Tre and White should assure that in any game at least a couple of players will have their shot fall. One possible bonus to DSR's slow shooting start is that other teams now know that they have to guard other Hoyas on the perimeter. DSR could find more open shots going forward. Defense is going to take time, given the youth on this team. The real issue will be getting Tre and White back so that we can absorb the type of fouls being called this year on people driving to the basket. At that point you don't have to restrain Peak and Johnson from playing tough defense because there will be back-ups.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 23, 2015 12:44:46 GMT -5
RE: Rebounding.
Ike was a strong rebounder in Big East play last year, but either between the minutes or his assignments, he's fallen off. He has to pick it up. Govan has been terrible for a 6'10" center. He needs to improve, as does Derrickson. Hayes playing more would help. Paul White might help a little.
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 23, 2015 12:52:31 GMT -5
It occurred to me that at the end of the game LJ Peak went into Trimble mode going to the basket unable to be stopped. The difference was that Trimble made his free throws.
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Post by HoNYaSaxa on Nov 23, 2015 12:57:59 GMT -5
espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/109179/duke-is-no-juggarnaut-but-grayson-allen-isInteresting anecdote re: Grayson Allen's turnaround from Kentucky game: Found it interesting considering how many times this board has generated spats over body language, on-court smiles, internal self-jealousy, and the like... Think our boys are going to come out of this weekend with a very, very positive outlook...Hope it shows on the court and that we absolutely roll in these next 7 home games, playing crisply, confidently, relentlessly.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 23, 2015 12:59:29 GMT -5
It occurred to me that at the end of the game LJ Peak went into Trimble mode going to the basket unable to be stopped. The difference was that Trimble made his free throws. LJ Peak drives me nuts on FTs. All too often he doesn't take his time and chucks them up there. That said, he's done that much less this year. He seems to be focusing more and taking his time. He's still shooting 71% -- basically the same as last year -- but that's hardly an awful FT %. It'd be nice if he were DSR or Trimble in the high 80s, but he's been basically the same % as Tre so far in his career.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Nov 23, 2015 13:10:51 GMT -5
For the last 3 games, I have tried to ignore the score while watching. I have enjoyed much of what I have seen. Can you teach me how to do this? I suspect it would have a significant positive impact on my life in general.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 23, 2015 13:19:26 GMT -5
It occurred to me that at the end of the game LJ Peak went into Trimble mode going to the basket unable to be stopped. The difference was that Trimble made his free throws. LJ Peak drives me nuts on FTs. All too often he doesn't take his time and chucks them up there. That said, he's done that much less this year. He seems to be focusing more and taking his time. He's still shooting 71% -- basically the same as last year -- but that's hardly an awful FT %. It'd be nice if he were DSR or Trimble in the high 80s, but he's been basically the same % as Tre so far in his career. It does, at times, seem like a lack of focus, but that's a pretty subjective analysis, so it's hard to know. He made two in the first half. Then went one for two with a minute left. Then missed the chance at the three point play, and then made two almost immediately thereafter (and those were "clutch," bringing the game from 6 to 4 with less than a minute left). I think, more than anything, he's not a bad shooter (particularly as he gets closer to the hoop), but he's not a tremendous shooter either, and that's true from ten feet, from fifteen feet, and from 21 feet. It can be improved upon -- particularly when at the line -- but it's not as easy as people often think. So we just need to recognize that if he gets six free throws in the last two minutes of a close game, he's likely to miss one or even two. So much of the one-and-ones is luck with regard to who it is you have at the line and whether or not you turn some of those into two-shot fouls because fouls 7-9 were shooting fouls.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Nov 23, 2015 13:44:27 GMT -5
any word on when paul and tre are coming back?
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Post by guru on Nov 23, 2015 14:15:01 GMT -5
Random thought: Pretty sure we just played the most demanding out of conference week of basketball in Georgetown history. That was like a late-round (remember those?) NCAA tournament run of competition - let's hope it pays off come March. I think it will.
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Post by trillesthoya on Nov 23, 2015 14:15:34 GMT -5
any word on when paul and tre are coming back? Since Paul was day to day in New York this past weekend I'm guessing he should be ready to play by Bryant on Saturday barring any major setbacks. As for Tre, since I have no clue what's going on with him I'm not going to bother speculating.
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Post by hoyajinx on Nov 23, 2015 15:05:15 GMT -5
We still managed to pull in some votes this week: 4 in the AP and 1 in the coaches poll.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 23, 2015 15:13:55 GMT -5
any word on when paul and tre are coming back? , since I have no clue what's going on with him I'm not going to bother speculating. Then what are you even doing on HoyaTalk?
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Post by blueeagle on Nov 23, 2015 15:32:58 GMT -5
For the last 3 games, I have tried to ignore the score while watching. I have enjoyed much of what I have seen. Can you teach me how to do this? I suspect it would have a significant positive impact on my life in general. It is a lot easier to do when the Hoyas are up and when I turn off the audio. I also try to watch off the ball action to keep things interesting. I suspect many do the same.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 23, 2015 16:19:08 GMT -5
Much easier to score when you can stiff arm your defender. Just sayin'
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