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Post by aristides on Nov 22, 2015 20:12:01 GMT -5
Great game...I'm not going to lose sleep over the 1-3 record. I think a long winning streak now is both necessary and achievable. Kudos to Johnson for his play today. This now appears to be another excellent freshman class that JTIII has put together. Very excited for this team. :-)
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Nov 22, 2015 20:13:36 GMT -5
Can I just say I hate these new rules. Thought the refs let plumlee get away with two fouls that would have been his 5th. The ball off morning could have been a foul as I'm pretty sure he got hit in the face, but def wasn't off mornings knee. That said, you could probably find a few calls that went our way too. Which is why I'll just say I hate the new rules. (We didn't get the calls on our cutters today btw) The big run in th second half killed us and then rebounding and fts. Simple. If we continue to play like this though. We will be fine. I don't think it's a gaurentee that we continue to play like this though, unfortunately. There are never guarantees, but I was afraid of the UMD game being a fluke ( I didn't think so, but that was a fear). Instead, the Hoyas played well against two name teams, and again had a shot of upsetting a top 5. I think we are going to be fine -- there may be some challenges along the way, but I think the team is finding confidence in each other faster than they would have playing the St Leo's of the world, and while that works just fine for an experienced squad, this year's kids needed that early challenge to figure things out (and still have some work to do on that end).
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Post by bicentennial on Nov 22, 2015 20:17:00 GMT -5
I thought his jaw was broken when a player swung his elbow into Trawick's jaw going up for a layup? Ironically the only part of Trawick's body that touched the other player was his jaw yet he was called for a foul. On Trawick's first game back after recovering enough from the broken jaw to play, he went up for a shot and his elbow hit the defending player's neck and the basket was waived off and Trawick was called for an offensive foul? But none of those comes close to the Duke Cameron stadium game when Greg Monroe was sitting on the bench and the ref called him for a technical, giving him a 4th foul before the end of the first half.
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Post by hoyajinx on Nov 22, 2015 20:25:56 GMT -5
In four games, we've had 8 different guys score in double digits, three of whom are freshmen. That's without Tre or Paul who are both obviously more than capable of putting up a few points. That's pretty impressive.
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Post by joey0403p on Nov 22, 2015 20:35:10 GMT -5
Where do the minutes come for white and trey?
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Post by Filo on Nov 22, 2015 20:36:55 GMT -5
Bummed because I actually think we are better than Duke. Tough loss but great effort. I also think this team is going to be very dangerous come tournament time. Gotta make the tournament though -- can't afford any bad losses with the 1-3 start.
The lack of rebounding at the end really hurt. Of course, some of that is being in a zone, but boxing out and positioning always seem to be a problem for JTIII teams.
Was hoping we got a better shot at the end but with 5.4 seconds left, you can't expect too much. Personally, I would have saved the TO for after the foul shot but that's really a preference thing and I won't quibble too much.
Refereeing was pretty good, for a Duke game.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 22, 2015 21:13:25 GMT -5
In four games, we've had 8 different guys score in double digits, three of whom are freshmen. That's without Tre or Paul who are both obviously more than capable of putting up a few points. That's pretty impressive. That's the stat I was thinking about an hour ago although I had no idea exactly what the number was (it's eight!). And as you pointed out this is without guys like Paul and Tre who scored in double figures in high level games numerous of times last year. If the team plays like it is capable of scoring should not be a problem although it would be nice if they worked on that fats break.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 22, 2015 21:20:19 GMT -5
Where do the minutes come for white and trey? Do you mean Tre Campbell? Easy. You don't need to play too many guys 30 minutes a game. Depending on how they are doing on the court some guys like Reggie, Marcus, Kaleb and Trey Mourning won't get so many minutes. In some games a few of these guys may not see the court at all. But through their play either last season or so far this season (or both) these are the guys who will be/should be in the rotation even if it means seeing no time here and there: DSR Bradley Reggie Isaac LJ Paul Tre Trey M. Marcus Jessie Kaleb 11 guys. Either the best depth III has ever had or he has opened up to the idea of a larger rotation.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 22, 2015 21:21:30 GMT -5
Bummed because I actually think we are better than Duke. Tough loss but great effort. I also think this team is going to be very dangerous come tournament time. Gotta make the tournament though -- can't afford any bad losses with the 1-3 start. The lack of rebounding at the end really hurt. Of course, some of that is being in a zone, but boxing out and positioning always seem to be a problem for JTIII teams. Was hoping we got a better shot at the end but with 5.4 seconds left, you can't expect too much. Personally, I would have saved the TO for after the foul shot but that's really a preference thing and I won't quibble too much. Refereeing was pretty good, for a Duke game. I don't think we're better than Duke yet. I think we're about even. But our ceiling is higher in terms of the potential of the individual players and I don't think it's all that close. That, obviously, doesn't amount to anything if the potential isn't reached but I like the trajectory of this group over the past 3 games. If they put in the work on both ends consistently, I think they (and we) will be very happy with the results.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 22, 2015 21:23:01 GMT -5
Where do the minutes come for white and trey? Do you mean Tre Campbell? Easy. You don't need to play too many guys 30 minutes a game. Depending on how they are doing on the court some guys like Reggie, Marcus, Kaleb and Trey Mourning won't get so many minutes. In some games a few of these guys may not see the court at all. But through their play either last season or so far this season (or both) these are the guys who will be/should be in the rotation even if it means seeing no time here and there: DSR Bradley Reggie Isaac LJ Paul Tre Trey M. Marcus Jessie Kaleb 11 guys. Either the best depth III has ever had or he has opened up to the idea of a larger rotation. Clearly the deepest roster of talented guys he has ever had. Imagine if Agau had not injured his knee - today is a game where his minutes would have been extremely beneficial.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 22, 2015 21:23:35 GMT -5
Where do the minutes come for white and trey? Do you mean Tre Campbell? Easy. You don't need to play too many guys 30 minutes a game. Depending on how they are doing on the court some guys like Reggie, Marcus, Kaleb and Trey Mourning won't get so many minutes. In some games a few of these guys may not see the court at all. But through their play either last season or so far this season (or both) these are the guys who will be/should be in the rotation even if it means seeing no time here and there: DSR Bradley Reggie Isaac LJ Paul Tre Trey M. Marcus Jessie Kaleb 11 guys. Either the best depth III has ever had or he has opened up to the idea of a larger rotation. Coach will have the luxury to adjust minutes towards the guys that are playing well that particular day and to play some matchups. How great is that?
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Post by tashoya on Nov 22, 2015 21:24:09 GMT -5
Do you mean Tre Campbell? Easy. You don't need to play too many guys 30 minutes a game. Depending on how they are doing on the court some guys like Reggie, Marcus, Kaleb and Trey Mourning won't get so many minutes. In some games a few of these guys may not see the court at all. But through their play either last season or so far this season (or both) these are the guys who will be/should be in the rotation even if it means seeing no time here and there: DSR Bradley Reggie Isaac LJ Paul Tre Trey M. Marcus Jessie Kaleb 11 guys. Either the best depth III has ever had or he has opened up to the idea of a larger rotation. Clearly the deepest roster of talented guys he has ever had. Imagine if Agau had not injured his knee - today is a game where his minutes would have been extremely beneficial. I couldn't agree more.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 22, 2015 21:24:31 GMT -5
Shoot me. We should have won. I expected the Hoyas to win so I get where you're coming from. Throughout III's tenure there have been far too many close losses to highly regarded and highly ranked teams early in a season. And as of late when the Hoyas do walk away with these "moral victories" the media starts chirping in that this such and such Hoya team is going to be fantastic by the time February or March rolls around. But of course the Hoyas end up doing nothing in March. I really hope this isn't more of the same.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 22, 2015 21:34:19 GMT -5
Where do the minutes come for white and trey? Do you mean Tre Campbell? Easy. You don't need to play too many guys 30 minutes a game. Depending on how they are doing on the court some guys like Reggie, Marcus, Kaleb and Trey Mourning won't get so many minutes. In some games a few of these guys may not see the court at all. But through their play either last season or so far this season (or both) these are the guys who will be/should be in the rotation even if it means seeing no time here and there: DSR Bradley Reggie Isaac LJ Paul Tre Trey M. Marcus Jessie Kaleb 11 guys. Either the best depth III has ever had or he has opened up to the idea of a larger rotation. Bingo!! very good point MCI.. Reggie won't play 29 minutes, Kaleb probably won't play 22 either, to me most importantly Copeland won't have to play 38 per game once PW comes back.. I get on Ike for disappearing also but we have to realize playing heavy minutes takes a toll.. I believe Ike can be just as productive in 30 minutes because he'll be fresher during games and hopefully in March.. Ditto for DSR once Tre gets back..
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 22, 2015 22:12:54 GMT -5
Shoot me. We should have won. I expected the Hoyas to win so I get where you're coming from. Throughout III's tenure there have been far too many close losses to highly regarded and highly ranked teams early in a season. And as of late when the Hoyas do walk away with these "moral victories" the media starts chirping in that this such and such Hoya team is going to be fantastic by the time February or March rolls around. But of course the Hoyas end up doing nothing in March. I really hope this isn't more of the same. I think most years it's been the opposite actually. We get a big win over a high ranked team early in the season, then the media starts chirping and we get overconfident as a fan base and then flame out in March. This year is different because we don't have that quality win over a huge team and are still under the radar nationally.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Nov 22, 2015 22:13:52 GMT -5
Excellent game! Loved our poise and aggressive play, especially in the first half. This team will continue to improve.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 22, 2015 22:27:03 GMT -5
Shoot me. We should have won. I expected the Hoyas to win so I get where you're coming from. Throughout III's tenure there have been far too many close losses to highly regarded and highly ranked teams early in a season. And as of late when the Hoyas do walk away with these "moral victories" the media starts chirping in that this such and such Hoya team is going to be fantastic by the time February or March rolls around. But of course the Hoyas end up doing nothing in March. I really hope this isn't more of the same. Except that's not really true at all. I mean, it's true that we've gotten upset in the NCAA tournament. But it seems like your expectations (and the others who have posted this) is that we should win every game versus a ranked opponent. Frankly, if they are highly ranked and we aren't, what % should we win? It was true last year. The year before last, we got blown out by Kansas, lost to Oregon in game 1 and beat VCU and K State. The game to Kansas was the only one versus a top rated team, and we weren't close. But the team wasn't any good anyway. The year before that, we did lose to Indiana in OT, but won every other non-conference game and had a very good season. We got upset in the tourney, but we really didn't have a big moral victory early and a disappointing season. The year before that we had that close loss to Kansas, but then beat highly ranked Memphis twice and beat highly ranked Louisville before Dec 31st. We also beat Alabama. The year before that there were no games that fit the bill. The year before that we beat a strong Temple and Butler teams -- though I don't think they were highly ranked at the time -- and lost to ODU. The year before that we beat Memphis, Maryland and UConn before Dec 31st and lost to Tennessee. I'm not going to keep going. We don't play that many ranked teams early. We actually have a good record versus them. We really don't have a ton of moral victories. Your entire premise is basically based on last year.
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Post by grandmahoya on Nov 22, 2015 22:53:06 GMT -5
I thought his jaw was broken when a player swung his elbow into Trawick's jaw going up for a layup? Ironically the only part of Trawick's body that touched the other player was his jaw yet he was called for a foul. On Trawick's first game back after recovering enough from the broken jaw to play, he went up for a shot and his elbow hit the defending player's neck and the basket was waived off and Trawick was called for an offensive foul? But none of those comes close to the Duke Cameron stadium game when Greg Monroe was sitting on the bench and the ref called him for a technical, giving him a 4th foul before the end of the first half. I believe that Greg Monroe was recruited by Coach K and he obviously chose Georgetown. Payback technical?
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Post by blueeagle on Nov 22, 2015 22:56:17 GMT -5
At 1-3, I should really feel worse. But I don't. I think many on this board probably feel the same way.
The sky is not falling for good reason.
We have a deep roster that just got deeper given the experience our freshmen and bench have received (against good teams) as a result of the injuries to Paul, Tre, and Akoy.
Our guys look like they know and accept their roles on this team.
After an unexpected and disappointing loss in our opener, the team now looks like they are on the same page as the coaching staff. They have learned the need to remain engaged and focused. I just hope they start enjoying the fruits of their labor by getting more wins. I think they will soon.
Something has clicked with our players who used to seem lost and unready when previously given the chance to play. These guys have been vital contributors to our recent success and near successes.
I feel comfortable when JT3 goes to the bench. I think he does as well.
This team does not remind me of any other team during the JT3 era.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 22, 2015 23:19:29 GMT -5
At 1-3, I should really feel worse. But I don't. I think many on this board probably feel the same way.
This team does not remind me of any other team during the JT3 era. Repeated for emphasis. Don't know if this is necessarily a good thing though.
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