SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 30, 2015 10:29:32 GMT -5
We have three years of evidence that suggests that DSR is an extremely capable scorer. There's absolutely no reason to suggest he won't be this year. We also know that he is a more efficient scorer when he has another offensive threat at the guard spot (his sophomore campaign was extremely efficient). What the evidence also shows is that it takes him time to figure out how he and others fit into the team dynamic. It happened last year when he was integrating a lot of guys and adjusting to having a key low-post threat. It's happening this year, too. But, again, there's simply no reason to think he won't figure it out because all evidence in the past suggests that he has dealt with similar issues and figured it out. Tas pointed all of this out in a different form earlier in the thread. I don't think there's any reason to think that he's "preparing for the NBA" or "having mental issues playing the one." I think he's simply not used to being on the court at virtually all times with four other guys that are capable of scoring. And, thus, he's not certain when he should aggressively make a proactive bid to score. This is all a GOOD thing. It's another (among many) reasons to think we have ample room to improve. I'd be more concerned if we were filing on all cylinders and still losing to good teams. Yes, once again, he's in the midst of a bit of a shooting slump and suddenly the amateur psychologists are back, citing negative character traits (He's selfishly prepping for the NBA instead of playing for the team!) and even going so far as to claim things that are verifiably not true (he used to get steals and now he doesn't! He's not even creating for other people!). He taking the same percentage of shots he always have (He's not shooting enough!), he's just not making them. He's also not getting to the line as much, but I'm not sure that would be true if we hadn't played Duke. He's not playing well but 90% of it is shooting, and of that, quite a bit of that occurred versus Bryant and Wisconsin, games we won.
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Nov 30, 2015 10:50:24 GMT -5
Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 30, 2015 10:50:24 GMT -5
We have three years of evidence that suggests that DSR is an extremely capable scorer. There's absolutely no reason to suggest he won't be this year. We also know that he is a more efficient scorer when he has another offensive threat at the guard spot (his sophomore campaign was extremely efficient). What the evidence also shows is that it takes him time to figure out how he and others fit into the team dynamic. It happened last year when he was integrating a lot of guys and adjusting to having a key low-post threat. It's happening this year, too. But, again, there's simply no reason to think he won't figure it out because all evidence in the past suggests that he has dealt with similar issues and figured it out. Tas pointed all of this out in a different form earlier in the thread. I don't think there's any reason to think that he's "preparing for the NBA" or "having mental issues playing the one." I think he's simply not used to being on the court at virtually all times with four other guys that are capable of scoring. And, thus, he's not certain when he should aggressively make a proactive bid to score. This is all a GOOD thing. It's another (among many) reasons to think we have ample room to improve. I'd be more concerned if we were filing on all cylinders and still losing to good teams. Yes, once again, he's in the midst of a bit of a shooting slump and suddenly the amateur psychologists are back, citing negative character traits (He's selfishly prepping for the NBA instead of playing for the team!) and even going so far as to claim things that are verifiably not true (he used to get steals and now he doesn't! He's not even creating for other people!). He taking the same percentage of shots he always have (He's not shooting enough!), he's just not making them. He's also not getting to the line as much, but I'm not sure that would be true if we hadn't played Duke. He's not playing well but 90% of it is shooting, and of that, quite a bit of that occurred versus Bryant and Wisconsin, games we won. I don't have the time to check, but I think a lot of him getting to the line last year was in end-of-game situations when we were ahead in a tight game. In fact, a non-insignificant amount of his scoring comes in those situations. Well, we've only had one game so far where he's in that sort of situation. So, I'm not even sure it's true that he's not getting to the line as much.
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SFHoya99
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Nov 30, 2015 11:03:33 GMT -5
Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 30, 2015 11:03:33 GMT -5
Yes, once again, he's in the midst of a bit of a shooting slump and suddenly the amateur psychologists are back, citing negative character traits (He's selfishly prepping for the NBA instead of playing for the team!) and even going so far as to claim things that are verifiably not true (he used to get steals and now he doesn't! He's not even creating for other people!). He taking the same percentage of shots he always have (He's not shooting enough!), he's just not making them. He's also not getting to the line as much, but I'm not sure that would be true if we hadn't played Duke. He's not playing well but 90% of it is shooting, and of that, quite a bit of that occurred versus Bryant and Wisconsin, games we won. I don't have the time to check, but I think a lot of him getting to the line last year was in end-of-game situations when we were ahead in a tight game. In fact, a non-insignificant amount of his scoring comes in those situations. Well, we've only had one game so far where he's in that sort of situation. So, I'm not even sure it's true that he's not getting to the line as much. Agree. I think if you added that in and the two times in the Duke game he inexplicably didn't get the call, the numbers would be similar.
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Nov 30, 2015 11:09:10 GMT -5
Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 30, 2015 11:09:10 GMT -5
I don't have the time to check, but I think a lot of him getting to the line last year was in end-of-game situations when we were ahead in a tight game. In fact, a non-insignificant amount of his scoring comes in those situations. Well, we've only had one game so far where he's in that sort of situation. So, I'm not even sure it's true that he's not getting to the line as much. Agree. I think if you added that in and the two times in the Duke game he inexplicably didn't get the call, the numbers would be similar. One other note: Last year, you saw JTIII at around this same time of year do something he very rarely does: Specifically run plays to get a guard (i.e., DSR) shots. He does that all the time for big men (especially early in games). But he almost never does it for guards except at end-of-game situations (and sometimes not even then). I wouldn't be surprised to see it this year the next time we see a man defense (it's harder to do against a zone). We may not see a man defense for a bit, though.
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Post by bmartin on Nov 30, 2015 11:16:23 GMT -5
He needs to drive into the seams of zone defenses more often looking for pull-up jumpers. If he has 12 field goal attempts per game, I would rather he take 7 two-point attempts and 5 three-point attempts, not the other way around.
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Nov 30, 2015 11:26:15 GMT -5
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 30, 2015 11:26:15 GMT -5
I would like to see DSR take fewer contested shots. I think that's part of what has been driving some of his difficulties to date. It seems like oftentimes he will have the ball at the top of the key, and either take a contested three or drive a bit and then take a contested shot. The positive thing is that DSR actually makes a fair number of these shots. The negative is that he could probably get better looks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 11:34:34 GMT -5
I don't care about his shooting, what's up with his effort on D? That should never be "off"...
Needs to play harder on that end for sure.
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rockhoya
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Nov 30, 2015 12:01:53 GMT -5
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 30, 2015 12:01:53 GMT -5
We have three years of evidence that suggests that DSR is an extremely capable scorer. There's absolutely no reason to suggest he won't be this year. We also know that he is a more efficient scorer when he has another offensive threat at the guard spot (his sophomore campaign was extremely efficient). What the evidence also shows is that it takes him time to figure out how he and others fit into the team dynamic. It happened last year when he was integrating a lot of guys and adjusting to having a key low-post threat. It's happening this year, too. But, again, there's simply no reason to think he won't figure it out because all evidence in the past suggests that he has dealt with similar issues and figured it out. Tas pointed all of this out in a different form earlier in the thread. I don't think there's any reason to think that he's "preparing for the NBA" or "having mental issues playing the one." I think he's simply not used to being on the court at virtually all times with four other guys that are capable of scoring. And, thus, he's not certain when he should aggressively make a proactive bid to score. This is all a GOOD thing. It's another (among many) reasons to think we have ample room to improve. I'd be more concerned if we were filing on all cylinders and still losing to good teams. Yes, once again, he's in the midst of a bit of a shooting slump and suddenly the amateur psychologists are back, citing negative character traits (He's selfishly prepping for the NBA instead of playing for the team!) and even going so far as to claim things that are verifiably not true (he used to get steals and now he doesn't! He's not even creating for other people!). He taking the same percentage of shots he always have (He's not shooting enough!), he's just not making them. He's also not getting to the line as much, but I'm not sure that would be true if we hadn't played Duke. He's not playing well but 90% of it is shooting, and of that, quite a bit of that occurred versus Bryant and Wisconsin, games we won. +100
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Post by rockhoya on Nov 30, 2015 12:10:17 GMT -5
I would like to see DSR take fewer contested shots. I think that's part of what has been driving some of his difficulties to date. It seems like oftentimes he will have the ball at the top of the key, and either take a contested three or drive a bit and then take a contested shot. The positive thing is that DSR actually makes a fair number of these shots. The negative is that he could probably get better looks. The reason he's taking a lot of contested looks this year is because he's being indecisive and never really finishing plays and creating separation. When he's confident he's at his best. We just need to set him up going towards the basket a few times to find his groove
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 1, 2015 19:44:51 GMT -5
I can confirm he is still here. Boom!
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 1, 2015 19:45:44 GMT -5
smokeyjack must be in the house.
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Dec 1, 2015 21:07:13 GMT -5
He has been making good decisions and is mostly taking good shots. The shots will start to fall versus Syracuse if not sooner. If not sooner!!!
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Dec 1, 2015 21:09:03 GMT -5
Interesting that he thanked Lori Michaels for her encouragement in the post-game interview.
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Post by seaweed on Dec 1, 2015 21:47:31 GMT -5
Everybody down off the ledge now?
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Post by tashoya on Dec 1, 2015 23:11:43 GMT -5
Everybody down off the ledge now? C'mon seaweed. You know better than that. Just like with the coaching stuff, regardless of track record, the next sub-par performance will light this thread right back up.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 2, 2015 0:53:01 GMT -5
stick a fork in this thread.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Dec 2, 2015 13:57:56 GMT -5
Didn't Iverson get really emotional about Lori Michael's illness a few years ago? She must make a hugely positive impact on the players. Great to hear that shout out from DSR, however unexpected. She was also seen sitting next to JT, Jr. during the in-game interview. I hope she is feeling well.
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Dec 2, 2015 15:08:46 GMT -5
Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 2, 2015 15:08:46 GMT -5
Wasn't able to see last night's game but checked out the box score: 30 pts on 10-16 shooting (5-10 from deep, 5-5 from the line), 3 rebs, and no TOs. How'd he look?
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Post by prhoya on Dec 2, 2015 15:14:47 GMT -5
Wasn't able to see last night's game but checked out the box score: 30 pts on 10-16 shooting (5-10 from deep, 5-5 from the line), 3 rebs, and no TOs. How'd he look? Great! What we had been waiting for...now, rinse and repeat...
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 3, 2015 11:00:17 GMT -5
hes BACCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK lets keep it up DSR and give a little juice to ISSAC he needs some patrick ewing ENERGY after MES which was a MESS>
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