DSR?

[beenaround]

I usually feel like we have no chance in big games with DSR on the bench. Did not feel that way at all today. It was a good feeling!

[tashoya]

Nov 22, 2015 22:08:03 GMT -5 michaelgrahamfan said:

I was at the Duke game and kept track of the margin in the second half. Except for the last minutes the Duke margin grew with him on the floor and contracted with him on the bench. Just saying.

Makes sense. Offensive/defensive switching with him at the end and he wasn't lighting it up on offense today coupled with Kaleb putting in a good offensive performance. DSR's offensive value will always eclipse his defensive value. And Allen (mostly on switches) is a bad matchup for him.

[prhoya]

vs. Bryant U.:

37 minutes: 9 pts, 3/12 FGs, 1/9 3s, 2/2 FTs, 2 rbs, 4 as, 2 stl, 1 to, 1 pf

Is it time for Good/Bad DSR?

[HometownHoya]

Good game manager DSR, bad scorer DSR

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Last 3 games overall

11-37 (30%) from the floor and 4-20 (20%) from 3... Definitely due for a breakout game shooting the ball...

[tashoya]

It looks like DSR is in his own head a bit. He passed up a few open 3 attempts in the first half that were pretty glaring. Shooters gotta shoot. Just keep taking the ones you should be taking. They'll fall sooner than later. It'd be especially nice if he had a bounce-back game against the Cuse as part of the game plan will definitely include DSR, Marcus, Reggie, and Isaac (hopefully from the top of the key. Kid is money on those it seems.) taking open threes when they're available. I'm hoping PW is knocking the rust off and, together with Isaac and Marcus, is ready to knock down a bunch of foul line jumpers. Syracuse doesn't have the length that they usually do so hopefully that makes it a bit easier to rip up that zone.

[Loyal Hoya]

He has been making good decisions and is mostly taking good shots. The shots will start to fall versus Syracuse if not sooner.

[tashoya]

Nov 28, 2015 21:26:25 GMT -5 Loyal Hoya said:

He has been making good decisions and is mostly taking good shots. The shots will start to fall versus Syracuse if not sooner.

I agree. If anything, he's passing up good shots. My perception may be off but it seems to me like he's denying more screens than I can ever recall him doing in the past.

[rockhoya]

Nov 28, 2015 21:34:11 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Nov 28, 2015 21:26:25 GMT -5 Loyal Hoya said:

He has been making good decisions and is mostly taking good shots. The shots will start to fall versus Syracuse if not sooner.

I agree. If anything, he's passing up good shots. My perception may be off but it seems to me like he's denying more screens than I can ever recall him doing in the past.

You think Mikael and Josh could've been better screeners than the current group?

[tashoya]

Nov 28, 2015 21:49:53 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

Nov 28, 2015 21:34:11 GMT -5 tashoya said:

I agree. If anything, he's passing up good shots. My perception may be off but it seems to me like he's denying more screens than I can ever recall him doing in the past.

You think Mikael and Josh could've been better screeners than the current group?

That's certainly a possibility and an interesting point. Especially considering the space that Joshua would create just by nature of his size. But it doesn't seem like just that to me. It has seemed like a conscious decision to me. That's certainly worth another look in the offseason when I rewatch the games. It has made me wonder if DSR was trying to show that he could create on his own. Could be nothing or it could be exactly the point you made. I guess we'll see.

[rockhoya]

Nov 28, 2015 22:03:34 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Nov 28, 2015 21:49:53 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

You think Mikael and Josh could've been better screeners than the current group?

That's certainly a possibility and an interesting point. Especially considering the space that Joshua would create just by nature of his size. But it doesn't seem like just that to me. It has seemed like a conscious decision to me. That's certainly worth another look in the offseason when I rewatch the games. It has made me wonder if DSR was trying to show that he could create on his own. Could be nothing or it could be exactly the point you made. I guess we'll see.

No yeah I think it's part of both definitely. But even more he just seems generally indecisive

[tashoya]

Nov 28, 2015 22:08:19 GMT -5 rockhoya said:

Nov 28, 2015 22:03:34 GMT -5 tashoya said:

That's certainly a possibility and an interesting point. Especially considering the space that Joshua would create just by nature of his size. But it doesn't seem like just that to me. It has seemed like a conscious decision to me. That's certainly worth another look in the offseason when I rewatch the games. It has made me wonder if DSR was trying to show that he could create on his own. Could be nothing or it could be exactly the point you made. I guess we'll see.

No yeah I think it's part of both definitely. But even more he just seems generally indecisive

I agree. I'm hoping it's just figuring things out with the group he has this year. I have to tip my cap to him for not defaulting to taking all of the shots and, instead, realizing that he has a better offensive group around him than he's ever had. His indecisiveness, in a way, is helping the younger guys to get acclimated, I think, and to find their depth. I don't worry at all about DSR coming back around to being the player he flat out is. He started slowly last year too and, at that time, I thought it was for similar reasons. He was trying to gauge what he had around him and what he needed to bring to make the team better. That could be pure conjecture but that's how I saw it. For a returning senior with aspirations to play at the next level, for him to not be taking every available shot and trying to be the man every game is, in a way, really commendable. But we all know he's a more efficient scorer than he's been so far this season and, I have no doubt, that he will be that guy again this year and it won't be long before that happens. With all of the possible offensive weapons on this squad, assuming at least half of the guys develop as one might expect, adding DSR being DSR to that mix is exciting. Now if they can only get after it on the defensive end, we might have something.

[OldHoyafan]

I hope you guys are right about him trying to learn all his supporting cast and what they add to he mix. I however have been less than enamored with his lackadaisical play. He is playing like he is on auto pilot. Hanging around the top of the free throw line and jacking up an occasional three point shot. Keep waiting for him to drive the lane and kick to an open teammate, after the defense reacts to him, but nothing. Guys are going by him on defense like he is a statue. Saw JTIII smiling and patting him on the back when he took him out so maybe(hope) this is all part of the master plan. Can't wait to see Tre play again and up the tempo, hopefully while under control.

[daymondmyles]

DSR has not been playing well. It's really worrisome even though he does have a history of bad starts. He is missing wide open shots and barely driving at all. He looks like somebody more concerned with being a PG (possibly because that's what he needs to work on for any shot at the NBA) than he does with just playing well. And his defense has suffered. He was never a defensive dynamo but he did at least cause some trouble and get key steals. Right now he's awful on D. And honestly we've been better with him off the floor a lot this season. In no way am I suggesting we give up on him. That would be insane and stupid. But he's got to figure it out or 3 has to get through to him (assuming what he's doing is not in line with 3's plan which it might be since DSR as a good facilitator would be great for the team). You can't just force yourself to make shots all of a sudden but you can drive the ball at the very least. And you can be more focused on D.

[michaelgrahamfan]

Could not agree more. Good summary

[HoyaFanNY]

he's a liability defensively right now and he looks hesitant when taking jumpers. he rarely looks comfortable when taking shots and nothing looks to be in rhythm for him offensively. he has to be on the floor, especially with tre not playing, so III better figure it out how to get him out of this funk. the sooner the better since this team is going to see zone defenses all year.

[jld]

DSR is the only senior -- with D1 PT -- on the roster. He is a natural college 2G asked to play the point. He lost 4 seniors with real PT from last year and must integrate frosh, sophs, and two upperclassmen that did not contribute.
He has played against 3 national programs on the road or at a neutral site without 2 of the top 7 rotation players, including one of the two guard sidekicks (Tre).

It is still November. Rome wasn't built in a day.

[KHoyaNYC]

This will sort itself out as more games get under his belt. And, if it doesn't, we have enough firepower and depth elsewhere to compensate.

[calhoya]

DSR has always been a streaky player, capable of being off and then hitting 3-4 shots in a row. Often this occurs within the same game. He has never been a quality defender. This year he is off to a slow start on both ends of the court and it clearly does seem to be getting into his head. However, unlike last year there are other scoring options when he is off and also unlike last year the coach is able and thus far willing to pull him when he is missing or hanging his head. Ultimately, however, if the game is on the line late, there is no one on this team I would rather have at the FT line no matter how poorly he is shooting.

[aleutianhoya]

We have three years of evidence that suggests that DSR is an extremely capable scorer. There's absolutely no reason to suggest he won't be this year. We also know that he is a more efficient scorer when he has another offensive threat at the guard spot (his sophomore campaign was extremely efficient).

What the evidence also shows is that it takes him time to figure out how he and others fit into the team dynamic. It happened last year when he was integrating a lot of guys and adjusting to having a key low-post threat. It's happening this year, too. But, again, there's simply no reason to think he won't figure it out because all evidence in the past suggests that he has dealt with similar issues and figured it out.

Tas pointed all of this out in a different form earlier in the thread. I don't think there's any reason to think that he's "preparing for the NBA" or "having mental issues playing the one." I think he's simply not used to being on the court at virtually all times with four other guys that are capable of scoring. And, thus, he's not certain when he should aggressively make a proactive bid to score.

This is all a GOOD thing. It's another (among many) reasons to think we have ample room to improve. I'd be more concerned if we were filing on all cylinders and still losing to good teams.