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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2005 16:45:14 GMT -5
Now we're getting somewhere.
Who knows how to make a web page and get one up there? I could probably set one up via my .Mac account, but the address would probably be something crazy (http://homepage.buffalohoya.mac.com or something weird like that). Who knows how to do this simply?
This is an actual idea. No more bitching and moaning. Let's do something, people.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 22, 2005 17:12:08 GMT -5
WHAT THE HELL ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? Anyone have any brilliant ideas? We need some Star Trek fans up in here or other fans of soon-to-be-cancelled sci fi TV shows. Those guys know how to make some noise by coming up with ways to get both the public attention and the attention of those who control the purse strings. Here's a couple of suggestions: 1)Advertise. Like sci fi geeks who buy a page for magazines such as Variety where they can argue for the saving of their show, Hoya alum and Hoya fans should try pooling some dough and buy a bit of advertising space which states their goal to initiate/speed up the funding of a true on campus facility (which includes of course the options of redoing McD of course). This will also let the university administration know that you are serious and aren't going anywhere. 2)Flyers. Include a photo of underused, underfunded McD next to a photo of a packed Cameron Indoor Stadium. On the flyer the question posed is "why can't this (McD) be just like this (CIS)" or something like that. The flyer should make an argument for giving the Hoyas a home court advantage and how doing so would lead to the type of success that the Blue Devils have. A point should also be made that as is the case of Duke, a strong national basketball program does not have to lessen the academic reputation of an university and in fact could make the university a more desirable destination for future students, blah, blah, blah. The flyers should include a phone number, mailing address or website for people to reach if they want to sign up for the push to get meaningful games back on the Gtown campus. These flyers can be handed out on campus, posted on walls, delivered to nearby establishments/restaurants/bars (all of which could possibly benefit from increased crowds on campus to see games during winter nights), etc. I'm not sure if anyone could get away with handing out such flyers to people who go to the MCI Arena to catch a game but perhaps I'm wrong. 3)World Wide Web. This movement needs a website. That's the best way to present our argument. A site with all types of video and audio presentations. The first images should be of students flowing into McD for the NIT game against CS Fullerton and how energized the building was that night (heck myself and others have a copy of the game which to pull the highlights from). Graphics on the screen should follow immediately saying "That was just the beginning. We Can Make This Even Better". Something like that. I'm sure a thousand people here could come up with better, more catchy lines but you get my meaning. Then there would be a presentation of the history of the Gtown bball program, what its meant and what it could still mean to the image of the school, its alum and the city of D.C. Plus info about how the good fortunes of the program could take a complete turn for the better if the Hoyas had a true homecourt advantage to benefit from most games and that the mood of the student body would be improved greatly as a result of their campus being an important destination for big time college hoops (once again pointing out Duke as an example).
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 22, 2005 17:13:06 GMT -5
I know I may be jumping into a conversation that Im not yet ready to enter here, but.... What about an online petition? Wouldnt this enable us to maximize the signatures we get, because rather than going around and knocking on doors in dorms and similar methods, we can just email the link around to everyone, including alums and anyone else who might be interested in signing this. I think it'd be likely to get more signatures this way, though I dont know if it holds as much weight. www.petitiononline.com/petition.htmlIn addition, the online petition could easily link to another website that better expresses our goals, motivations etc, and also ways to make donations. Then we just try to get every living person who ever went to GU or every person who ever cheered for the Hoyas to visit the petition site, write their name, and then check out the rest of the info.
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Post by TigerHoya on Apr 22, 2005 17:16:13 GMT -5
What is the HHC situation for priority points? Do you accrue points by giving every year at different levels and for each year of giving?
Other colleges factor this into a student membership. For example, IPTAY Collegiate gives you the membership points for a year that a full member gets (just not the points for the higher donation levels.) Members also get first shot at bowl game tickets and get their own distribution line for game tickets that's a few days before the general student football/hoops distribution for every game. Special games in every sport, not just revenue sports, also get student members extra priority points to go onto their membership. The system has been in place the past few years and is designed to get students used to being a member even though tickets to all sports are included in student fees. It's $30 a year, which is also the Tiger Cub membership level for kids.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Apr 22, 2005 17:30:31 GMT -5
1) MCI's rent is substantial and severely impacts our program profitability. Since the majority of funds for an on campus facility would be donated, the difference between on-campus maintenance costs and MCI's rent can go directly to paying our coaches to stay and recruiting budgets. I tried to do some research into Georgetown and MCI's relationship a couple of years ago for an article in the Hoya. Both the SID and the arena refused to give me any information. As far as I know GU has never made any information on their financial situation with the arena public. Which means we don't know basics like what % of ticket sales and concessions go to the University, or how much rent actually is. But you mention us paying substantial rent in your post. Do you know what we're paying in rent? I agree it is safe to assume it is 'substantial.' DFW mentioned rents in the post that started this thread too. If y'all know something the rest of us don't regarding payments made by the University to MCI Center, can you post it? I have to think any specific info could only help the cause.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 22, 2005 17:31:04 GMT -5
I put together a design last year for a website and have it saved, but none of it is in computer language. If someone has the time to spearhead this effort, PM me with an e-mail address, and I will send along my preliminary work.
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Post by IceHoya on Apr 22, 2005 17:57:50 GMT -5
Now we're getting somewhere. Who knows how to make a web page and get one up there? I could probably set one up via my .Mac account, but the address would probably be something crazy (http://homepage.buffalohoya.mac.com or something weird like that). Who knows how to do this simply? This is an actual idea. No more bitching and moaning. Let's do something, people. Don't really have any advice on how to make it, Buffalo, but you could always go to GoDaddy.com (best Super Bowl commercial, ever?) and buy the URL you want, then point it over to your crazy mac.com thing or wherever the page you wanted was. I've done this and its real easy to do, and its like maybe $10 for the year.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 22, 2005 18:02:55 GMT -5
I tried to do some research into Georgetown and MCI's relationship a couple of years ago for an article in the Hoya. Both the SID and the arena refused to give me any information. As far as I know GU has never made any information on their financial situation with the arena public. Which means we don't know basics like what % of ticket sales and concessions go to the University, or how much rent actually is. But you mention us paying substantial rent in your post. Do you know what we're paying in rent? I agree it is safe to assume it is 'substantial.' DFW mentioned rents in the post that started this thread too. If y'all know something the rest of us don't regarding payments made by the University to MCI Center, can you post it? I have to think any specific info could only help the cause. The rent setup with MCI is not a straight rent payment. Rather, it is a division of revenues (there may be a rent component, as well). MCI gets all the ticket revenues up to a certain attendance, then MCI and GU share until a certain attendance, then MCI gets the next group, then GU, etc. The initial cutoff is pretty high, I think, though the HHC didn't give me exact numbers. I think MCI keeps all parking and concessions revenue.
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Post by Gold Hoya on Apr 22, 2005 20:36:58 GMT -5
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 22, 2005 23:25:04 GMT -5
RBHoya- an online petition is definitely an option with its benefits and negatives that I wont go into now. It should certainly be considered, but my main purpose of this post is to see if you are aware of the online petition from last year.
Im assuming that since you are a freshman you dont know about the "Save The Hoyas" petition calling for coach Esherick to be fired that got almost 4,000 signatures. We would need to improve on that petition if we did one because there was really almost no information provided and no commitment on the part of the individuals to do anything more than type in their names, year of graduation and city of residence, and you could technically write in anything you wanted.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 23, 2005 0:46:33 GMT -5
RBHoya- an online petition is definitely an option with its benefits and negatives that I wont go into now. It should certainly be considered, but my main purpose of this post is to see if you are aware of the online petition from last year. Im assuming that since you are a freshman you dont know about the "Save The Hoyas" petition calling for coach Esherick to be fired that got almost 4,000 signatures. We would need to improve on that petition if we did one because there was really almost no information provided and no commitment on the part of the individuals to do anything more than type in their names, year of graduation and city of residence, and you could technically write in anything you wanted. Interesting. I've heard mention of the anti-Escherick petition but don't know very much about it (including the fact that it was online). Still, I think we need to harness the internet in order to maximize support, at least in some way. Maybe we can format the petition better than last time, somehow.... I guess maybe a better question is, what kind of a committment do we need from these people, and how can we get it? Do we need an email address? A financial committment? I'm not too sure, but I think there ought to be a way to accomplish everything over the internet that we could do face to face, if we're resourceful enough. Like I mentioned before, it'd be great if we could develop a functional petition that meets all of our needs, and then hyperlink to a website that better illustrates what we're aiming for, complete with a mission statement and inputs for anything else we need from concerned fans. I guess we need to decide exactly what it is we need from people first, and once we reach a consensus we can see if we can make it work in the website paradigm.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Apr 23, 2005 9:22:38 GMT -5
That sounds about right. I remember reading $75K a couple of years ago. I'll see if I can find the cite. But isn't the fact that Austin couldn't get any info out of SID symptomatic of the real problem (i.e., Univ willingness to confront these challenges head on)?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 23, 2005 14:05:42 GMT -5
RBHoya- an online petition is definitely an option with its benefits and negatives that I wont go into now. It should certainly be considered, but my main purpose of this post is to see if you are aware of the online petition from last year. The online petition missed most people (including myself) last season.Contrary to message board perceptions, its timing was more coincedental than contributory to Jack DeGioia's decision, as it appears in hindsight that the wheels were moving on the change before the petition even came to light. The original purpose of the post was not to simply rally support for McD but to discuss the prospects that await the program if there is no suitable alternative offered for MCI. Put another way, if future Georgetown administrations are not willing to endure the high rents of MCI and/or deficit spending in the program, the lack of a suitable campus option will bring the future viability of the program into question. Five years from now, the Big East has some big decisions ahead of it. Without investing in any suitable training and practice facilities, with coaching salaries that have long been near the bottom of its peers, and with a large chunk of the budget eaten up every year by the costs of renting a half-empty downtown arena that (by the unconfirnmed accounts above) may cost over $1.2 million a year, is Georgetown looking at 2010 from a position of strength, or of weakness?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 23, 2005 14:17:04 GMT -5
The original purpose of the post was not to simply rally support for McD but to discuss the prospects that await the program if there is no suitable alternative offered for MCI. And the point of my post is, if you are only willing to talk and not to do something, you're part of the problem. Every time someone suggests doing something, you degrade the idea or at minimum, divert attention from it. If you're not gonna help, why do you complain so much about it?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 23, 2005 14:28:51 GMT -5
I try to draw a distinction between discussions and calls to action.
I made a call to action on this subject over three years ago (see link above). One of the reasons why ideas like these never went very far is that the average Georgetown person (student, alumni, fundraisers, whatever) doesn't understand the issue about why a renovation is important to begin with. Heck, I've run into prominent alumni who didn't know Georgetown offered athletic scholarships.
I'm not degrading any ideas above; in a sense, this forum is all about ideas. But before there is action there must be debate, and for me to go out and call for $50 million in fundraising for men's basketball, people have to discuss the matter and articulate the opportunities of moving forward and threats if they do not, which is why I brought it up in the first place--we're in substantial consensus about the need, but it's time to discuss the consequences of not acting, too.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 23, 2005 14:32:49 GMT -5
I may be mistaken, but I think we've discussed reasons for and against renovations about once a week during this offseason, to say nothing of the last. Discussing the consequences of "not acting" is inherently based on counterfactual arguments and, therefore, does little to strengthen the overall arguments about the renovation other than to allow its adherents to come across as "Chicken Littles." I think people are anxious to do something because the "discussions" have become repetitive and unproductive. Unfortunately, ideas in these regards have not been and still are not forthcoming from certain HoyaTalk circles.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 23, 2005 15:33:33 GMT -5
Not forthcoming? I argued three years ago for $25M in renovations funded by alumni gifts. And in the absence of this, I am arguing why the needs are more pronounced today than three years ago and stand to be HUGE within five years.
Please IM me if you do not understand further. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2005 15:33:56 GMT -5
We are SO far past the point of discussing the consequences of action/inaction its insane to even suggest that's where we're at.
There IS a problem. EVERYONE recognizes it to a certain degree. With another billion dollar capital campaign underway, there's no reason 5% of it can't go to a CONVOCATION CENTER (which happens to have the ancillary benefit of hosting all but 2 of the Hoya's regular season games).
Discussion about consequences is pointless. You posted it three years ago, DFW, and we've been talking about it ever since. This isn't an attack at you... we're all complacent in just "talking" about it for the last X years. Now's the time for action. Now's the time for us - the most passionate Hoya fans there are - to let the administration/athletic department/whoever know that this is a priority to a lot of people.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 23, 2005 15:36:32 GMT -5
Not forthcoming? I argued three years ago for $25M in renovations funded by alumni gifts. And in the absence of this, I am arguing why the needs are more pronounced today than three years ago and stand to be HUGE within five years. Please IM me if you do not understand further. Thanks. Great, you think we should do it. What Jersey and I are saying is, obviouslt those in power are not doing it. How do we influence them to do so?
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 23, 2005 15:44:27 GMT -5
Great, you think we should do it. What Jersey and I are saying is, obviouslt those in power are not doing it. How do we influence them to do so? EXACTLY. We know your opinion on the issue and we aren't questioning that, but how about some advice or additional ideas on how to get it started?
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