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Post by prhoya on Apr 21, 2005 19:12:21 GMT -5
Here's a Fox Sports article grading the off-season coaching moves, with several highlighted comments re: Esh. msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/3555304"Which programs pulled a coup, inking the next Bo Ryan or John Beilein, and which made a grievous error, bringing in the next Pat Kennedy or promoting the next Craig Esherick?" "Process: B+ New Mexico State athletic director McKinley Boston wisely stayed away from a couple better-known folks who came calling, namely former Georgetown coach Craig Esherick and former USC coach Henry Bibby." "Process: B+ Tulane athletic director Rick Dickson went by the book, compiling a list, checking it twice and bringing in several current, former and assistant coaches for interviews. Apart from giving former Georgetown coach Craig Esherick a longer look than he deserved, Tulane did everything right." OUCH!!! For the writer, Esh is an example of a grievous error, of a better-known coach AD's should stay away from, and a coach who doesn't deserve a long look. I'm not going to enter into a debate on whether he deserves the criticism or not, or if the writer went too far. That would be beating a dead horse. My suggestion, Esh, next time you go calling AD's for a HC position, hire a PR person. Obviously, the "I'm excellent for the position" opinion of yourself is not enough. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 21, 2005 19:18:12 GMT -5
I said it back when he made those comments. He is best off keeping a low profile because his making these comments in the papers suggests that he hasn't overcome his hubris of early March 2004. Some say that it is important for him to get his name out there. For what? He doesn't exactly bring a bandwagon of supporters, let alone assistant coaches, with him.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 21, 2005 19:18:16 GMT -5
OUCH! Those are some rough comments. It sounds like someone from this board wrote those things.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 21, 2005 19:28:18 GMT -5
'007, you read my mind. I wonder what his or her HoyaTalk name is?
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 21, 2005 20:06:00 GMT -5
I said it back when he made those comments. He is best off keeping a low profile because his making these comments in the papers suggests that he hasn't overcome his hubris of early March 2004. Some say that it isn't important for him to get his name out there. For what? He doesn't exactly bring a bandwagon of supporters, let alone assistant coaches, with him. Well, he can point to having recruited the Big East ROY. IMHO, he is going to have to follow the Doherty route and rehab his rep at a place like Florida Atlantic. Only after he turns around a small program will he get another shot at a higher profile program. |
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Post by prhoya on Apr 21, 2005 22:30:33 GMT -5
Only IF he turns around...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2005 8:41:31 GMT -5
If this Hoya team makes a big run next year, we have Esh to thank for bringing in most of the components.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 22, 2005 10:40:45 GMT -5
That's another big IF...
I'll give you another: if Esh was still here, some of this year's freshmen wouldn't have come to GU and other players would have departed.
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Post by the_way on Apr 22, 2005 11:19:50 GMT -5
That's another big IF... I'll give you another: if Esh was still here, some of this year's freshmen wouldn't have come to GU and other players would have departed. You don't know that. |
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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Apr 22, 2005 11:21:51 GMT -5
We'll never know, but I'd say that it's very likely. |
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Apr 22, 2005 11:22:11 GMT -5
However a trend certainly developed along those lines. |
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Post by the_way on Apr 22, 2005 11:25:29 GMT -5
However a trend certainly developed along those lines. A trend, then how did he get the recruiting class that did okay this year. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 22, 2005 11:28:07 GMT -5
A trend, then how did he get the recruiting class that did okay this year. A good team of assistants... |
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Post by bmartin on Apr 22, 2005 11:29:07 GMT -5
He got guys who grew up dreaming of playing for Georgetown. It was not about the coach, it was about the tradition.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 22, 2005 11:32:06 GMT -5
That was my point with the IF. We don't know who would have come. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Esh was fired before Green signed. Also, Wallace would be at Princeton with JTIII. So, that's two key players he didn't have signed and delivered before his firing. Add to this, the fact that he lost one or two players every (or almost every) year.
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Post by the_way on Apr 22, 2005 11:32:46 GMT -5
A good team of assistants... Yeah, so it wasn't Esh that sat in and watched Jeff Green games with Mike Riley when Jeff was a junior (before all the so-called recruiting gurus and Division I programs thought Jeff was that good). That must of been Dabney Coleman himself, right? It wasn't Esh who got a committment from Jeff before he was fired, right? That must have been someone else, right? It wasn't Esh who got the committment from Roy Hibbert before last year's two new assistants were on board either, right!?. So, as with most of the sentiment on this board, Esh was the cause of everything that went wrong with the program, and anything that did go right for GU during his tenure was somebody else's doing. Gimme a break.  |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 22, 2005 11:36:28 GMT -5
Yeah, so it wasn't Esh that sat in and watched Jeff Green games with Mike Riley when Jeff was a junior (before all the so-called recruiting gurus and Division I programs thought Jeff was that good). That must of been Dabney Coleman himself, right? It wasn't Esh who got a committment from Jeff before he was fired, right? That must have been someone else, right? It wasn't Esh who got the committment from Roy Hibbert before last year's two new assistants were on board either, right!?. So, as with most of the sentiment on this board, Esh was the cause of everything that went wrong with the program, and anything that did go right for GU during his tenure was somebody else's doing. Gimme a break. Can you take a little sarcasm? You don't have to defend Esherick's record. Unfortunately for him, I think it speaks for itself. |
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Post by prhoya on Apr 22, 2005 11:51:05 GMT -5
Judging from this Fox Sports article, Esh's record speaks for him and follows him nationally...
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Post by michiganhoya on Apr 22, 2005 12:25:02 GMT -5
Esh can bring a girl to a party, but she's going to dance with someone else. That's the story of his recruiting "triumphs".
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Apr 22, 2005 12:51:18 GMT -5
I'm with The_Way on this one, sort of anyway. Although I thought Esh needed to go, signed the online petition, brought the petition up at the 2004 Hoyas Unlimited Meeting at the Big East Tournament with Joe Lang, etc., let's let it go. The Fox article ripped Esh. Maybe deservedly so as to how he handled the program, but let's not pile on. He is and always will be a Hoya. It's unfair not to give him some credit for seeing in Jeff what few others did at the time -- greatness. Esh, for all his faults, is still one of our own. Holding on to these grudges diminishes us.
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