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Post by bigelephant on Apr 27, 2015 14:43:25 GMT -5
WHAT WE NEED IS THE BEST 7 FOOTER (OR THEREABOUT) IN THE LAND INCLUDING ABROAD.i HOPE FSN CAN HELP.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 27, 2015 19:58:00 GMT -5
Hope he does not have too much fun at ECU...good times down in G-Vegas. Pretty sure ECU is his father's alma mater.. Could it be another Dozier scenario? ECU is the alma mater of his father as well as Copeland's father. They were teammates at ECU.
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Post by DoctorHoya on May 2, 2015 21:09:00 GMT -5
Bump... Any updates?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 22:28:38 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaLS05 on May 5, 2015 17:16:09 GMT -5
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Post by harlemhoya on May 5, 2015 17:17:51 GMT -5
No biggie.
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Post by blueandgray on May 5, 2015 17:20:51 GMT -5
I didn't want to say anything, but kid wanted Georgetown and it just didn't work out in terms of what we were really after. My guess is that had we had more flexibility in terms of scholarships , he'd be a hoya. Really rooting for this kid though....wish him the best.
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Post by njhoya78 on May 5, 2015 17:31:28 GMT -5
It's amusing how whenever a prospective transfer to GU is publicized, the initial reaction on HoyaTalk is "get this guy." We then go through the breakdown/teardown of that player's abilities, whether he will fit in, and whether we should hold out that scholarship for another player. We then go into the beating of our breastbones when other schools decide to also pursue that player, and revert to "we need him." Ultimately, the player chooses to transfer elsewhere, and we shrug it off as "no biggie." We are schizophrenic, and dizzyingly so.
We are not, notwithstanding our Hoya Blue-colored glasses and the arrival of Akoi Agau, a favored transfer destination. We are deluding ourselves if we believe otherwise. I, for one, do not expect that open scholarship to be taken by any transfer we are supposedly targeting.
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on May 5, 2015 17:49:05 GMT -5
Wow, I guess its 2016 recruits or broke. At this point I foresee our walk-on's getting some playing time.
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Post by Talos on May 5, 2015 17:51:51 GMT -5
I didn't want to say anything, but kid wanted Georgetown and it just didn't work out in terms of what we were really after. My guess is that had we had more flexibility in terms of scholarships , he'd be a hoya. Really rooting for this kid though....wish him the best. Any idea of what we are after?
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Post by EtomicB on May 5, 2015 18:05:34 GMT -5
I didn't want to say anything, but kid wanted Georgetown and it just didn't work out in terms of what we were really after. My guess is that had we had more flexibility in terms of scholarships , he'd be a hoya. Really rooting for this kid though....wish him the best. The staff knew what it's roster flexibility was before he decided to transfer so why did they bother to recruit him at all? At the risk of furthering my reputation as a malcontent, the staff truly puzzles me with how they go about their business on the recruiting trail.. Especially when it comes to backcourt players..
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Post by matersammich on May 5, 2015 18:29:30 GMT -5
Seemed like a good fit to me. It's a shame it didn't work out.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on May 5, 2015 19:11:28 GMT -5
I didn't want to say anything, but kid wanted Georgetown and it just didn't work out in terms of what we were really after. My guess is that had we had more flexibility in terms of scholarships , he'd be a hoya. Really rooting for this kid though....wish him the best. The staff knew what it's roster flexibility was before he decided to transfer so why did they bother to recruit him at all? At the risk of furthering my reputation as a malcontent, the staff truly puzzles me with how they go about their business on the recruiting trail.. Especially when it comes to backcourt players.. My read of blueandgray's comment is that he, not the staff, guesses that scholarship flexibility played a role in this. To me, what was more important in his post is Gill didn't appear to fulfill what the staff is looking for in backcourt players, so he gets the message and ends up elsewhere. Regarding the staff's recruitment approach generally, it strikes me that a fair amount of pure speculation and conjecture occurs regarding what JTIII and company are doing -- or not doing. The fact is none of us truly has a definitive clue about what they have going on. Not one. We may get a tweet or hear from some source a sliver of what's happening, but the true bottom line is that we do not know the whole picture. It saddens me to read some of the comments that are made by folk who won't acknowledge they are in the dark or, even worse, act like they are recruiting geniuses.
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Post by Filo on May 5, 2015 19:18:19 GMT -5
It's amusing how whenever a prospective transfer to GU is publicized, the initial reaction on HoyaTalk is "get this guy." We then go through the breakdown/teardown of that player's abilities, whether he will fit in, and whether we should hold out that scholarship for another player. We then go into the beating of our breastbones when other schools decide to also pursue that player, and revert to "we need him." Ultimately, the player chooses to transfer elsewhere, and we shrug it off as "no biggie." We are schizophrenic, and dizzyingly so. Or, in other words, people on this board act like fans? Its called cognitive dissonance. Happens all the time in life. We are not, notwithstanding our Hoya Blue-colored glasses and the arrival of Akoi Agau, a favored transfer destination. We are deluding ourselves if we believe otherwise. I, for one, do not expect that open scholarship to be taken by any transfer we are supposedly targeting. Perhaps the staff doesn't tell transfers what they want to hear, but what their actual role would be.
If I was a guard transfer, I don't think I would be coming to the Hoyas this year to serve as an insurance policy in case DSR or Tre get hurt.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 5, 2015 19:28:49 GMT -5
Hopefully the staff has pretty strong belief that we will win the recruiting battle for a couple of strong '16 guards. If LJ should blow up next season and/or feel he needs to support his child and he accompanies DSR out the door we are going to have an overwhelming need, and our history of misses the last 12 months could leave us in a real bind.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on May 5, 2015 20:30:05 GMT -5
I didn't want to say anything, but kid wanted Georgetown and it just didn't work out in terms of what we were really after. My guess is that had we had more flexibility in terms of scholarships , he'd be a hoya. Really rooting for this kid though....wish him the best. Any idea of what we are after? JW3?
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Post by professorhoya on May 5, 2015 21:51:54 GMT -5
I didn't want to say anything, but kid wanted Georgetown and it just didn't work out in terms of what we were really after. My guess is that had we had more flexibility in terms of scholarships , he'd be a hoya. Really rooting for this kid though....wish him the best. The staff knew what it's roster flexibility was before he decided to transfer so why did they bother to recruit him at all? At the risk of furthering my reputation as a malcontent, the staff truly puzzles me with how they go about their business on the recruiting trail.. Especially when it comes to backcourt players.. Gill might have read this board and got a negative vibe of the school by those who looked at him as an afterthought to shoe ins Nigel Williams Goss and Kenny Williams. After all Akoy Agau does read Casual Hoya and was retweeting things from that website.
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Post by EtomicB on May 5, 2015 22:01:33 GMT -5
The staff knew what it's roster flexibility was before he decided to transfer so why did they bother to recruit him at all? At the risk of furthering my reputation as a malcontent, the staff truly puzzles me with how they go about their business on the recruiting trail.. Especially when it comes to backcourt players.. My read of blueandgray's comment is that he, not the staff, guesses that scholarship flexibility played a role in this. To me, what was more important in his post is Gill didn't appear to fulfill what the staff is looking for in backcourt players, so he gets the message and ends up elsewhere. Regarding the staff's recruitment approach generally, it strikes me that a fair amount of pure speculation and conjecture occurs regarding what JTIII and company are doing -- or not doing. The fact is none of us truly has a definitive clue about what they have going on. Not one. We may get a tweet or hear from some source a sliver of what's happening, but the true bottom line is that we do not know the whole picture. It saddens me to read some of the comments that are made by folk who won't acknowledge they are in the dark or, even worse, act like they are recruiting geniuses. I understood that the OP was giving his take on the Gill recruitment, I responded with my take on it.. I completely acknowledge that I don't know all of the staff's thoughts on recruiting(or any of it for that matter) but that doesn't mean folks can't give an opinion on what they do know about what the staff is doing recruiting wise..
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Post by blueandgray on May 6, 2015 0:55:47 GMT -5
Kid would have been a hoya had we givem him a firm offer during his visit, which we did not. Just giving the board that tidbit of information. You can chose to believe me or not and you can spin it however you like. I'm done with this thread.
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Post by jld54 on May 6, 2015 6:48:06 GMT -5
The fact is that Gill would not have been available next year, when we could use another guard. For 2016, if we get Bracey then we need another guard -- to replace DSR--, assuming Peak and Tre are here as juniors. The 2016 class reportedly has several excellent guards, so we can hopefully land at least one more besides Bracey.
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