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Post by kchoya on Apr 16, 2015 8:00:49 GMT -5
Yup. Wiltjer was just the first one that came to mind.
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Post by matersammich on Apr 16, 2015 8:06:18 GMT -5
I'm trusting the staff on this. Too many unknowns for those of us out of the loop to know the best course of action.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 16, 2015 8:56:40 GMT -5
Some of you are looking at this from the wrong angle. Take L'Ville out of the equation. Not every player is the same. Some players can't thrive under different personalities. I'm damn near 40 and I still struggle to play well with drill sergeant guy. I could never have played for a BKnight type of coach. The question I ask is, "is Gill good enough to get mins at Gtown over guys that may choose Gtown?" Plus when you add that he and Ike are best friends I would bet that we would get a more at ease player.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 16, 2015 8:58:58 GMT -5
I hear you hoyaboya.....but not everyone thrives under Pitino. Pitino will recruit over players and some kids may not do well in that kind of environment. I know Agau didn't and I know how he is playing now. I also know that this kid was an absolute stud in high school, has elite athleticism, and would provide punch from the wing that Hoya teams always need. If you can get this guy, take him!! G'town recruits over players too, all schools do it.. Pitino is about effort especially on defense and in practice.. If you're not working hard in his eyes you don't play and he'll quickly show you the door..
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Post by footahh on Apr 16, 2015 9:21:40 GMT -5
It's a little alarming that he didn't play that much, even after Chris Jones was booted from the team. It's also a little alarming that for a proclaimed ''shooter'' in high school, Pitino would bring in his white walk-ons at the end of losing games in order to shoot. And furthermore, it's even more alarming that he jumped ship, even after the departure of Terry Rozier. The kid must have had one foot out the door at Lousiville no matter what. Despite all of this, I'm going to trust the staff. If they feel like they have a realistic shot at NWG, then I would hate to compromise that by adding Gill. However, if the possibility of Williams Goss is remote, I'd take him. We need bodies at guard and he looks to be much better than the 2016 guys we have a realistic shot at.
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Post by Filo on Apr 16, 2015 9:24:47 GMT -5
I am guessing if it wasn't Louisville (given the Agau transfer), or interest in Gill would generally be looked on more favorably. Personally, if these kids can play and are solid citizens, I couldn't care less if anyone out there thinks that we are just getting Pitino's leftovers. Players and teams are not always a good fit -- happens across every level of sports.
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 16, 2015 9:26:19 GMT -5
Fit is not to be under-estimated.
It appear Blueandgray has access to more info than most of us do...my gut is to trust the guys who have been hired to handle it.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 16, 2015 9:57:32 GMT -5
I'm generally a trust the staff guy, so I can trust the staff ... but 7-19 is not such a small sample from the foul line that it's not hugely concerning.
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Apr 16, 2015 10:12:12 GMT -5
Our guard situation for 2016 and beyond is not good. We only have Tre and LJ, and LJ is more of a wing. In my eyes, Kenny Williams, NWG, and Anthony Collins are not likely to come here, and a top-tier guard like Fultz also seems unlikely. If the staff believes this kid can contribute, we have to take him. We can't afford to be picky.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 16, 2015 10:25:52 GMT -5
I also believe that Pitino, who was very much against the split for the ACC, had a fairly respectful relationship with JTIII, and that he would provide honest information; if we still have interest, there are very good reasons.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 16, 2015 10:33:50 GMT -5
I'm generally a trust the staff guy, so I can trust the staff ... but 7-19 is not such a small sample from the foul line that it's not hugely concerning. he has 19 months to work on his stroke from the line...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 16, 2015 10:50:12 GMT -5
I'm generally a trust the staff guy, so I can trust the staff ... but 7-19 is not such a small sample from the foul line that it's not hugely concerning. he has 19 months to work on his stroke from the line... He does. But he's a career 35.5% shooter on 31 shots. I mean, that's horrifically bad. If Gill transfers here, I'll support him and assume until I see otherwise that the staff knows much more than I do (and they do know much more, but you know what I mean). But I see Aaron Bowen 2.0 at best. Given that he can't play next year, I'm not sure what the rush is. If we're going to go for a guy who can't shoot, at least let him have another elite skill - like a shotblocking big or a distributing point.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 16, 2015 10:57:51 GMT -5
Our guard situation for 2016 and beyond is not good. We only have Tre and LJ, and LJ is more of a wing. In my eyes, Kenny Williams, NWG, and Anthony Collins are not likely to come here, and a top-tier guard like Fultz also seems unlikely. If the staff believes this kid can contribute, we have to take him. We can't afford to be picky. We can't afford to be picky? Eh, depends what you mean by picky. In the past two years, the staff has secured commitments from a Top 60 SG (Peak), a top ~125 PG in Tre Campbell (who has played above that level already), and a fast-rising wing in Kaleb Johnson who will likely come out in the Top 100-150 range and will likely play SG. Yes, we have a depth issue. But there's a lot of guards out there and most of the 2016 class is uncommitted. We have three scholarships available for 2016-2017 but likely only 5 over the 2016 and 2017 classes (only four now but I'd expect at least one transfer/early entry). There's opportunity cost there, and I don't think we're at the point that we need to take whoever wants us. I'm also not a huge fan of waiting on Top 25 guys, but there's a happy medium here. I hope the staff is evaluating Gill on his merits rather than settling because they feel like they can't do better in the 2016 class.
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Apr 16, 2015 11:12:40 GMT -5
Our guard situation for 2016 and beyond is not good. We only have Tre and LJ, and LJ is more of a wing. In my eyes, Kenny Williams, NWG, and Anthony Collins are not likely to come here, and a top-tier guard like Fultz also seems unlikely. If the staff believes this kid can contribute, we have to take him. We can't afford to be picky. We can't afford to be picky? Eh, depends what you mean by picky. In the past two years, the staff has secured commitments from a Top 60 SG (Peak), a top ~125 PG in Tre Campbell (who has played above that level already), and a fast-rising wing in Kaleb Johnson who will likely come out in the Top 100-150 range and will likely play SG. Yes, we have a depth issue. But there's a lot of guards out there and most of the 2016 class is uncommitted. We have three scholarships available for 2016-2017 but likely only 5 over the 2016 and 2017 classes (only four now but I'd expect at least one transfer/early entry). There's opportunity cost there, and I don't think we're at the point that we need to take whoever wants us. I'm also not a huge fan of waiting on Top 25 guys, but there's a happy medium here. I hope the staff is evaluating Gill on his merits rather than settling because they feel like they can't do better in the 2016 class. I agree with you there. My point was more that if the staff believes Gill shows enough merits, we should take him rather than waiting for a lottery ticket on NWG.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 16, 2015 11:14:38 GMT -5
It's a little alarming that he didn't play that much, even after Chris Jones was booted from the team. It's also a little alarming that for a proclaimed ''shooter'' in high school, Pitino would bring in his white walk-ons at the end of losing games in order to shoot. And furthermore, it's even more alarming that he jumped ship, even after the departure of Terry Rozier. The kid must have had one foot out the door at Lousiville no matter what. Despite all of this, I'm going to trust the staff. If they feel like they have a realistic shot at NWG, then I would hate to compromise that by adding Gill. However, if the possibility of Williams Goss is remote, I'd take him. We need bodies at guard and he looks to be much better than the 2016 guys we have a realistic shot at. Foofoo20, what is a "white walk-on"?
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 16, 2015 11:25:14 GMT -5
he has 19 months to work on his stroke from the line... He does. But he's a career 35.5% shooter on 31 shots. I mean, that's horrifically bad. If Gill transfers here, I'll support him and assume until I see otherwise that the staff knows much more than I do (and they do know much more, but you know what I mean). But I see Aaron Bowen 2.0 at best. Given that he can't play next year, I'm not sure what the rush is. If we're going to go for a guy who can't shoot, at least let him have another elite skill - like a shotblocking big or a distributing point.Very well put SF..
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Post by capcenterhoya on Apr 16, 2015 11:34:23 GMT -5
Comparing him to Bowen is ridiculous. Gill was a big time scorer in high school and is a very good three point shooter. Look up any writeup of him from high school. I would be careful to attribute two years of stats in limited minutes to his skills or abilities. Clearly he never got comfortable playing at Louisville. You don't score 56 points in a game and hit 9 three if you can't shoot.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 16, 2015 11:51:04 GMT -5
Comparing him to Bowen is ridiculous. Gill was a big time scorer in high school and is a very good three point shooter. Look up any writeup of him from high school. I would be careful to attribute two years of stats in limited minutes to his skills or abilities. Clearly he never got comfortable playing at Louisville. You don't score 56 points in a game and hit 9 three if you can't shoot. Reggie was a career 45% 3pt shooter in HS.. Domingo shot 38%.. Not every player can make the leap from HS to college.. Also Gill Avg'd 9.4 mpg this season, that's decent playing time.. When you look at his game log on ESPN it shows he played 131 minutes in the 1st 11 games this year and shot 5-26 from 3.. He had opportunities to show what he could do this season..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 12:05:22 GMT -5
www.gocards.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2014-2015/game07.htmllouisville.scout.com/story/1470640-5-takeaways-louisville-s-red-white-scrimmageScored 14 in one (Intrasquad scrimmage) and 27 in the other… Seemed like they had high hopes for him going into the season but obviously the results weren’t there. Kid looks to have some skills it appears a boost in confidence would help immensly Also interesting note from the article on Akoy The first guy up in the frontcourt could be Akoy Agau but Pitino said he's "been injured since he left Nebraska." So, that leaves the staff with the freshman? Chinanu Onuaku has showed the most promised so far and right now would be the first sub off the bench in my opinion.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 16, 2015 12:08:40 GMT -5
I am willing to strategically take Louisville's leftovers all day long. Pitino is getting top-50 players and we are not.
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