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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 16, 2015 12:14:11 GMT -5
Comparing him to Bowen is ridiculous. Gill was a big time scorer in high school and is a very good three point shooter. Look up any writeup of him from high school. I would be careful to attribute two years of stats in limited minutes to his skills or abilities. Clearly he never got comfortable playing at Louisville. You don't score 56 points in a game and hit 9 three if you can't shoot. Reggie was a career 45% 3pt shooter in HS.. Domingo shot 38%.. Not every player can make the leap from HS to college.. Also Gill Avg'd 9.4 mpg this season, that's decent playing time.. When you look at his game log on ESPN it shows he played 131 minutes in the 1st 11 games this year and shot 5-26 from 3.. He had opportunities to show what he could do this season.. The key to me is that he got decent playing time, didn't shoot well (not just threes but FTs too), and played for a team that was absolutely desperate for scoring but still couldn't perform enough in practice/games to be able to earn more time. I trust the staff, too, and of course they're going to trust their own evaluation over any other program's (particularly where we play very different systems). The bottom line is that he's played at a high-major level and not performed at a level we would want (despite his HS numbers and ranking). So I think this is a situation where you've got to be extra, extra sure that you're right about being able to change his performance dynamic.
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Post by michaeldm9 on Apr 16, 2015 12:25:01 GMT -5
Comparing him to Bowen is ridiculous. Gill was a big time scorer in high school and is a very good three point shooter. Look up any writeup of him from high school. I would be careful to attribute two years of stats in limited minutes to his skills or abilities. Clearly he never got comfortable playing at Louisville. You don't score 56 points in a game and hit 9 three if you can't shoot. Reggie was a career 45% 3pt shooter in HS.. Domingo shot 38%.. Not every player can make the leap from HS to college.. Also Gill Avg'd 9.4 mpg this season, that's decent playing time.. When you look at his game log on ESPN it shows he played 131 minutes in the 1st 11 games this year and shot 5-26 from 3.. He had opportunities to show what he could do this season.. I agree. My question is why does other schools bench warmer get more belief in thier game from JTII than his own bench warmers. :-). But seriously, other players could have been out performing him on the team. This was a sweet 16 team, they won. It wasn't like he couldn't get time over player who are under performing.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 16, 2015 12:31:21 GMT -5
It's a little alarming that he didn't play that much, even after Chris Jones was booted from the team. It's also a little alarming that for a proclaimed ''shooter'' in high school, Pitino would bring in his white walk-ons at the end of losing games in order to shoot. And furthermore, it's even more alarming that he jumped ship, even after the departure of Terry Rozier. The kid must have had one foot out the door at Lousiville no matter what. Despite all of this, I'm going to trust the staff. If they feel like they have a realistic shot at NWG, then I would hate to compromise that by adding Gill. However, if the possibility of Williams Goss is remote, I'd take him. We need bodies at guard and he looks to be much better than the 2016 guys we have a realistic shot at. Foofoo20, what is a "white walk-on"? They're the creatures who live north of the Wall. They're known for killing wildlings and excellent three-point shooting.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 16, 2015 13:18:30 GMT -5
According to ESPN, our competition is East Carolina, Nebraska, and Providence. Tied for #25 best transfer on the market according to Jeff Goodman. For context, NGW is #2, Marcus Foster is #3, Anthony Collins is #22.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 16, 2015 14:01:47 GMT -5
In my humble opinion, this kid would thrive at Georgetown. We all know he hasn't scratched the surface of his potential. With a year where he is embraced and encouraged by the staff and the team, chances are very good that he will return to form. The kid has all the tools and athleticism to be a big time player in our system and I wouldn't be surprised to see this kid get to the league once he's done at Georgetown. Think about what we did with Hollis. As a freshman, Hollis was not considered a deadly three point shooter, had below average athleticism, below average ball handling skills, and had difficulty creating his own shot. Fast forward to now, NBA starter. Look at Jabril. Similar athleticism, although I'd argue that Anton is a more fluid athlete. Anton is better with the ball, is a natural scorer, and even though he struggled from beyond the arc, still had a better shot than jabril at the same stage. We all know how jabril developed and improved from one year to the next....I'd argue that Anton would be at least as good and likely better than jabril when he's done at Georgetown. Like I said, we get this kid, he'd start immediately, he'll make plays for the Hoyas and my money says he ends up in the league. Moreover, I understand he's a good kid with a good head on his shoulders. That's some ringing endorsement, B&G. I try to just sit back and let these recruits make up their own minds. You can say I'm tired of rejection.
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 16, 2015 14:04:44 GMT -5
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 16, 2015 16:21:05 GMT -5
My intuition after seeing his list is that there's a good chance we land this kid. Some mixed feelings from me. I'm concerned by his performance at UL too, and agree with those who point out that we should be aiming to be on level talent-wise with schools like that rather than taking the guys who couldn't cut it there. That's for A-10 schools or C-USA schools or maybe schools like Seton Hall who are just happy to be in a league with big time programs and have no illusion that they'll be able to compete year in and year out. There are some circumstances where transfers in make sense, but in general if a guy isn't good enough to cut it at a legitimate high major program (even the best of high major programs), we shouldn't expect him to be good enough to play for us.... That said, when you look at Gill's high school tape and all the writeups about him, everything seems like he'd be a legitimate high major contributor if not an all-conference type within a few years. I didn't follow Louisville closely enough to know what really happened there, but the video of him from high school certainly passes the eye test. So I'm open to the idea that maybe something about the situation at UL just didn't work for him, and the staff thinks they have the ability to turn that around. It's a bit worrisome, but since I feel like he's going to end up a Hoya I'm just going to hope for the best.
More interesting question to me is whether or not there are more open scholarships in play than immediately meets the eye. We still seem to be firmly in the mix for NWG, with an outside shot at Kenny Williams too. Plus, we've been in the mix with a LOT of good guards in the 2016 class so far--Winston, Gibbs, Bracey, Fultz, Carr, Brown and others. I know it's early and you never know with these kids, especially after 2015 when we were listed by so many top kids (Dozier, Crawford, Bacon, Trier, Dorsey, Cheatham, Mann, Williams, etc.) at this time last year and eventually came up empty handed. But I'll just say I like the Gill offer better if we're taking a bit of a flyer on him and hoping he gets it figured out over the next couple years but still have another scholarship handy to keep pursuing guys like NWG and Williams.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 16, 2015 17:49:02 GMT -5
My intuition after seeing his list is that there's a good chance we land this kid. Some mixed feelings from me. I'm concerned by his performance at UL too, and agree with those who point out that we should be aiming to be on level talent-wise with schools like that rather than taking the guys who couldn't cut it there. That's for A-10 schools or C-USA schools or maybe schools like Seton Hall who are just happy to be in a league with big time programs and have no illusion that they'll be able to compete year in and year out. There are some circumstances where transfers in make sense, but in general if a guy isn't good enough to cut it at a legitimate high major program (even the best of high major programs), we shouldn't expect him to be good enough to play for us.... That said, when you look at Gill's high school tape and all the writeups about him, everything seems like he'd be a legitimate high major contributor if not an all-conference type within a few years. I didn't follow Louisville closely enough to know what really happened there, but the video of him from high school certainly passes the eye test. So I'm open to the idea that maybe something about the situation at UL just didn't work for him, and the staff thinks they have the ability to turn that around. It's a bit worrisome, but since I feel like he's going to end up a Hoya I'm just going to hope for the best. More interesting question to me is whether or not there are more open scholarships in play than immediately meets the eye. We still seem to be firmly in the mix for NWG, with an outside shot at Kenny Williams too. Plus, we've been in the mix with a LOT of good guards in the 2016 class so far--Winston, Gibbs, Bracey, Fultz, Carr, Brown and others. I know it's early and you never know with these kids, especially after 2015 when we were listed by so many top kids (Dozier, Crawford, Bacon, Trier, Dorsey, Cheatham, Mann, Williams, etc.) at this time last year and eventually came up empty handed. But I'll just say I like the Gill offer better if we're taking a bit of a flyer on him and hoping he gets it figured out over the next couple years but still have another scholarship handy to keep pursuing guys like NWG and Williams. I think it makes sense to have some concerns, but keep in mind that guys transfer and flourish with a change of scenery all the time. Two close to home examples. Vernon Macklin never really seemed to give it a good effort at Georgetown (as he admitted) and did not perform great, but then he went to Florida and did well enough to get drafted in the second round. And then you have Benimon who did very poorly at Georgetown and did much better (albeit against much worse competition) at Towson. Obviously, Gill is no sure thing, but it may be worth the risk if the staff feels he has the tools to be a really good shooting guard. I don't know enough to make that determination. I do think it's interesting that people were hugely enthusiastic for Collins, even though he has played a ton and demonstrated he cannot shoot, but people are suddenly concerned about Gill's shooting. I realize Collins brought ball handling and would've only been around for a year, but with Gill it seems like there's a chance he could be a good player if the light bulb goes off. With Collins, it's more that you know what you're going to get.
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Post by gujake on Apr 16, 2015 18:04:15 GMT -5
But Collins' shooting numbers are far better than Gill's.
Collins is a career 33% 3-point shooter compared to 25% for Gill. Collins is 78% from the FT line compared to 36% for Gill.
You can always argue about the quality of looks a guy is getting from 3, but not from the free throw line.
I'll root hard for Gill if he comes here but guards that can't shoot don't tend to work well with our offense.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 16, 2015 19:37:15 GMT -5
My intuition after seeing his list is that there's a good chance we land this kid. Some mixed feelings from me. I'm concerned by his performance at UL too, and agree with those who point out that we should be aiming to be on level talent-wise with schools like that rather than taking the guys who couldn't cut it there. That's for A-10 schools or C-USA schools or maybe schools like Seton Hall who are just happy to be in a league with big time programs and have no illusion that they'll be able to compete year in and year out. There are some circumstances where transfers in make sense, but in general if a guy isn't good enough to cut it at a legitimate high major program (even the best of high major programs), we shouldn't expect him to be good enough to play for us.... That said, when you look at Gill's high school tape and all the writeups about him, everything seems like he'd be a legitimate high major contributor if not an all-conference type within a few years. I didn't follow Louisville closely enough to know what really happened there, but the video of him from high school certainly passes the eye test. So I'm open to the idea that maybe something about the situation at UL just didn't work for him, and the staff thinks they have the ability to turn that around. It's a bit worrisome, but since I feel like he's going to end up a Hoya I'm just going to hope for the best. More interesting question to me is whether or not there are more open scholarships in play than immediately meets the eye. We still seem to be firmly in the mix for NWG, with an outside shot at Kenny Williams too. Plus, we've been in the mix with a LOT of good guards in the 2016 class so far--Winston, Gibbs, Bracey, Fultz, Carr, Brown and others. I know it's early and you never know with these kids, especially after 2015 when we were listed by so many top kids (Dozier, Crawford, Bacon, Trier, Dorsey, Cheatham, Mann, Williams, etc.) at this time last year and eventually came up empty handed. But I'll just say I like the Gill offer better if we're taking a bit of a flyer on him and hoping he gets it figured out over the next couple years but still have another scholarship handy to keep pursuing guys like NWG and Williams. I think it makes sense to have some concerns, but keep in mind that guys transfer and flourish with a change of scenery all the time. Two close to home examples. Vernon Macklin never really seemed to give it a good effort at Georgetown (as he admitted) and did not perform great, but then he went to Florida and did well enough to get drafted in the second round. And then you have Benimon who did very poorly at Georgetown and did much better (albeit against much worse competition) at Towson. Obviously, Gill is no sure thing, but it may be worth the risk if the staff feels he has the tools to be a really good shooting guard. I don't know enough to make that determination. I do think it's interesting that people were hugely enthusiastic for Collins, even though he has played a ton and demonstrated he cannot shoot, but people are suddenly concerned about Gill's shooting. I realize Collins brought ball handling and would've only been around for a year, but with Gill it seems like there's a chance he could be a good player if the light bulb goes off. With Collins, it's more that you know what you're going to get. Thing with Collins is that it was only going to be a 1 year deal. He wasn't prohibiting us from signing one of the 2016 guards on the radar, and at the time Williams-Goss hadn't specified us as a suitor and Williams was still committed to VCU. Plus DSR was gone, so we were in desperate need of someone who could handle the basketball. Once DSR came back I think the fit between Collins and GU started to look a lot less attractive to both sides.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 16, 2015 21:43:50 GMT -5
My intuition after seeing his list is that there's a good chance we land this kid. Some mixed feelings from me. I'm concerned by his performance at UL too, and agree with those who point out that we should be aiming to be on level talent-wise with schools like that rather than taking the guys who couldn't cut it there. That's for A-10 schools or C-USA schools or maybe schools like Seton Hall who are just happy to be in a league with big time programs and have no illusion that they'll be able to compete year in and year out. There are some circumstances where transfers in make sense, but in general if a guy isn't good enough to cut it at a legitimate high major program (even the best of high major programs), we shouldn't expect him to be good enough to play for us.... That said, when you look at Gill's high school tape and all the writeups about him, everything seems like he'd be a legitimate high major contributor if not an all-conference type within a few years. I didn't follow Louisville closely enough to know what really happened there, but the video of him from high school certainly passes the eye test. So I'm open to the idea that maybe something about the situation at UL just didn't work for him, and the staff thinks they have the ability to turn that around. It's a bit worrisome, but since I feel like he's going to end up a Hoya I'm just going to hope for the best. More interesting question to me is whether or not there are more open scholarships in play than immediately meets the eye. We still seem to be firmly in the mix for NWG, with an outside shot at Kenny Williams too. Plus, we've been in the mix with a LOT of good guards in the 2016 class so far--Winston, Gibbs, Bracey, Fultz, Carr, Brown and others. I know it's early and you never know with these kids, especially after 2015 when we were listed by so many top kids (Dozier, Crawford, Bacon, Trier, Dorsey, Cheatham, Mann, Williams, etc.) at this time last year and eventually came up empty handed. But I'll just say I like the Gill offer better if we're taking a bit of a flyer on him and hoping he gets it figured out over the next couple years but still have another scholarship handy to keep pursuing guys like NWG and Williams. I think it makes sense to have some concerns, but keep in mind that guys transfer and flourish with a change of scenery all the time. Two close to home examples. Vernon Macklin never really seemed to give it a good effort at Georgetown (as he admitted) and did not perform great, but then he went to Florida and did well enough to get drafted in the second round. And then you have Benimon who did very poorly at Georgetown and did much better (albeit against much worse competition) at Towson.Obviously, Gill is no sure thing, but it may be worth the risk if the staff feels he has the tools to be a really good shooting guard. I don't know enough to make that determination. I do think it's interesting that people were hugely enthusiastic for Collins, even though he has played a ton and demonstrated he cannot shoot, but people are suddenly concerned about Gill's shooting. I realize Collins brought ball handling and would've only been around for a year, but with Gill it seems like there's a chance he could be a good player if the light bulb goes off. With Collins, it's more that you know what you're going to get. Alot of that was due to Bill Murray's son . Who is now Dan Hurley's assistant at Rhode Island.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 16, 2015 22:02:42 GMT -5
I think it makes too much sense. He was probably friends with Akoy Agua's at Lousiville (same class). His other classmate at Lousiville, Terry Rozier (who was Gill's high school teammate at Hargraves academy) is going to the NBA and the 4th member Chris Jones was kicked off the team.
Gill is also best friends and teammate at Hargraves with Issac Copeland, and his dad and Issac's dad are best friend and former teammates from their college basketball days.
So alot of the reason for leaving has to do with being where his friends are (Issac, Akoy and Georgetown) and not where his friends aren't (Louisville, Loss of Rozier, Akoy, Jones from his 2013 Louisville recruiting class).
I'm assuming this would also mean that we'd be going after a 5th year senior guard for next year to fill in while Gill has to sit out next year. So we probably end up with Collins and Gill.
Honestly, Kenny Williams is probably unrealistic. He will probably end up at Michigan, UVA or Texas with Shaka Smart. And Texas and MSU probably have the edge on Nigel Williams Goss.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 17, 2015 10:25:14 GMT -5
I think it makes too much sense. He was probably friends with Akoy Agua's at Lousiville (same class). His other classmate at Lousiville, Terry Rozier (who was Gill's high school teammate at Hargraves academy) is going to the NBA and the 4th member Chris Jones was kicked off the team. Gill is also best friends and teammate at Hargraves with Issac Copeland, and his dad and Issac's dad are best friend and former teammates from their college basketball days. So alot of the reason for leaving has to do with being where his friends are (Issac, Akoy and Georgetown) and not where his friends aren't (Louisville, Loss of Rozier, Akoy, Jones from his 2013 Louisville recruiting class). I'm assuming this would also mean that we'd be going after a 5th year senior guard for next year to fill in while Gill has to sit out next year. So we probably end up with Collins and Gill. Honestly, Kenny Williams is probably unrealistic. He will probably end up at Michigan, UVA or Texas with Shaka Smart. And Texas and MSU probably have the edge on Nigel Williams Goss. Not sure why people are randomly discounting our chances for NWG and Williams based on nothing.
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Post by hoyamonarch on Apr 17, 2015 10:38:15 GMT -5
NWG seems like he's going to UNLV from reading the tea leaves. Everybody also seems convinced that Williams is going to Michigan.
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Post by aristides on Apr 17, 2015 10:44:53 GMT -5
I'm excited for Gill. Hope we get him. If JTIII wants him, then that's reason enough for me.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 17, 2015 10:51:15 GMT -5
I think it makes too much sense. He was probably friends with Akoy Agua's at Lousiville (same class). His other classmate at Lousiville, Terry Rozier (who was Gill's high school teammate at Hargraves academy) is going to the NBA and the 4th member Chris Jones was kicked off the team. Gill is also best friends and teammate at Hargraves with Issac Copeland, and his dad and Issac's dad are best friend and former teammates from their college basketball days. So alot of the reason for leaving has to do with being where his friends are (Issac, Akoy and Georgetown) and not where his friends aren't (Louisville, Loss of Rozier, Akoy, Jones from his 2013 Louisville recruiting class). I'm assuming this would also mean that we'd be going after a 5th year senior guard for next year to fill in while Gill has to sit out next year. So we probably end up with Collins and Gill. Honestly, Kenny Williams is probably unrealistic. He will probably end up at Michigan, UVA or Texas with Shaka Smart. And Texas and MSU probably have the edge on Nigel Williams Goss. Not sure why people are randomly discounting our chances for NWG and Williams based on nothing. It's about being realistic. Staff and players have little connection to Kenny Williams and NWG. Shaka has a much tighter relationship with Williams. These two are the top guys left at guard. Sure if they said yes to Georgetown we'd take them but percentages say that chance is small with so many suitors and no prior relationship. It's just like when people were positive we were going to land a super class with Trier, Bacon, Dozier, Rabb, Noah Derrickson. it's a nice dream but unlikely to happen.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 17, 2015 11:17:01 GMT -5
In regards to folks thinking that Gill just needs a change of scenery or coaching or more confidence, I hope you are right. The positives for him are obvious and reach back to his high school days: Top 50 RSCI recruit (#50); big time high school player; Pitino and other good coaches recruited him heavily.
The cons are also obvious: the poor shooting and poor defense that kept him on the bench at the Ville. I could believe that his poor three point shooting was a small sample -- it's very erratic and while many good high school 3pt shooters don't translate (heck, even Ray Reed supposedly shot 50% from 3 in HS), it's not impossible that his small amount of play was making issues there.
But the FT shooting is awful, and that's just generally a good indicator of overall shooter. Maybe being that bad is actually a blessing -- it's basically SO bad it has to be confidence, right? That means it is fixable, unless it's a real case of the yips ... and sometimes people don't come back from that. Maybe the year off will work. Maybe the staff will connect.
And the defense? Will he ever play here if he doesn't play D? He's gonna have to strap up here to play. Hopefully his defensive issues were about effort and the need to transfer is a big wake-up call -- or maybe his style of D would work better with the more restrained GU D than Pitino's get after 'em type.
He obviously has the physical skills. But he's got a decent amount to overcome to be valuable.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 17, 2015 11:42:34 GMT -5
In regards to folks thinking that Gill just needs a change of scenery or coaching or more confidence, I hope you are right. The positives for him are obvious and reach back to his high school days: Top 50 RSCI recruit (#50); big time high school player; Pitino and other good coaches recruited him heavily. The cons are also obvious: the poor shooting and poor defense that kept him on the bench at the Ville. I could believe that his poor three point shooting was a small sample -- it's very erratic and while many good high school 3pt shooters don't translate (heck, even Ray Reed supposedly shot 50% from 3 in HS), it's not impossible that his small amount of play was making issues there. But the FT shooting is awful, and that's just generally a good indicator of overall shooter. Maybe being that bad is actually a blessing -- it's basically SO bad it has to be confidence, right? That means it is fixable, unless it's a real case of the yips ... and sometimes people don't come back from that. Maybe the year off will work. Maybe the staff will connect. And the defense? Will he ever play here if he doesn't play D? He's gonna have to strap up here to play. Hopefully his defensive issues were about effort and the need to transfer is a big wake-up call -- or maybe his style of D would work better with the more restrained GU D than Pitino's get after 'em type. He obviously has the physical skills. But he's got a decent amount to overcome to be valuable. Fair points but keep in mind he has only shot 31 free throw attempts total over two years. (Roughly 15 free throws a year). His per 40 stats for his freshman year at Lousiville are 9.4 pts per 40/1.2 steals/1.5 asists/ 4.7 rebs and .56% on 2pt fgs. From this one can deduce elite finishing ability and athleticism and good rebounding instincts. At Hargreave Academy he holds the school record of 56 points in a game and hit 50 points in another game with 10 3 pointers. Won the dunk contest at the Kentucky Derby All Star festival. "Nothing about his career profile at U of L would indicate that ability, though, from his dismal 32-percent shooting percentage to his 7.5 minutes per game, yet his teammates and U of L's coaches insist Gill can score and score in bunches." " Gill delivered 14 huge bench points from 5-of-5 shooting under those circumstances." "U of L coach Rick Pitino has extolled Gill's potential on many occasions, saying the North Carolina native can be a streaky shooter and an effective attacking player off the dribble. But, the coach always adds, Gill's defense has not been good enough." www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2015/02/28/anton-gill-removes-big-weight-shoulders-points-fsu/24188367/ Louisville's Anton Gill becomes latest unlikely NCAA tournament hero"Anton Gill entered Louisville’s Sweet 16 game against North Carolina State because of the Cardinals’ desperation. Starting wing Wayne Blackshear picked up his fourth foul with 8:31 remaining, and Gill’s entrance coincided with Louisville’s four-point lead disappearing and the end of its season looking imminent." "That cosmic explanation may be the best way to describe the improbability of Anton Gill’s role as surprise hero in No. 4 Louisville’s 75-65 victory over No. 8 N.C. State in the Carrier Dome on Friday night. He scored seven points in a span of 2:18 that helped turn a one-point deficit into a five-point lead. "" it took Pitino’s foresight that he may need Gill on Friday night. Earlier this week, after an individual workout in Louisville, he pulled Gill aside and told him the story of when he led Providence to the 1987 Final Four. Pitino mentioned Darryl Wright, who was a sophomore reserve on that team—just like Gill—and ended up as the Southeast Regional MVP. Gill responded: “I’ll be ready, coach.”" www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/03/28/anton-gill-louisville-cardinals-ncaa-tournament-elite-eight
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 12:14:48 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 17, 2015 12:18:22 GMT -5
I suppose it's possible he comes here Fri/Sat and goes up to Rhode Island on Sat or Sun. You would probably want to get most of the visits in one geographic region done on one trip.
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