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Post by SaxaCD on Sept 29, 2015 5:57:46 GMT -5
I agree. I will point out that Mets TV announcers in a game a few months ago remarked how Harper didn't run out a ball, and talked about how it happened once in a while, "but he's such a great player" etc. So, I have a feeling this may not have been the first time these guys "talked" about it, and that's why it became such a blow up. It's not Papelbon's job -- who appointed him of all people the hustle police? Williams (who I think should be gone) benched Harper last year for lack of effort: espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10808419/washington-nationals-bench-bryce-harper-lack-effortIn this context, already eliminated from post-season, the context is different. I agree, absolutely not Papelbon's place -- and yes, the context is different, but it's also becoming a pattern for Harper. Hopefully with a bit of maturity, it won't become something he's known for 5 years down the road.
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 29, 2015 6:01:54 GMT -5
I agree, absolutely not Papelbon's place -- and yes, the context is different, but it's also becoming a pattern for Harper. Hopefully with a bit of maturity, it won't become something he's known for 5 years down the road. Yeah, got to keep reminding myself that he's only 22. But I'd hazard to guess that if he keeps putting up the numbers he put up this year, most people won't notice any lack of hustle.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 29, 2015 7:12:22 GMT -5
It is clear that Papelbon needs to grab his bag (pun intended) and leave town.
Williams needs to be right behind him. He was a fake tough guy as a player and is a dolt as a manager.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 29, 2015 7:55:39 GMT -5
I agree, absolutely not Papelbon's place -- and yes, the context is different, but it's also becoming a pattern for Harper. Hopefully with a bit of maturity, it won't become something he's known for 5 years down the road. You have a strange definition of pattern.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Sept 29, 2015 7:56:48 GMT -5
Should Harper have publicly criticized Papelbon in public for beaning Machado? No., he shouldn't have. It's fair to criticize him for that.
But any other criticism of Harper in this circumstance is absurd. Harper was asked a question and answered it truthfully. His sin was being too honest instead of being calculatingly mean-spirited. It wasn't a reasoned, thought out decision to be insulting to Pap. Not ideal, but not a hanging offense.
Papelbon, in stark contrast, went looking to pick a fight. I don't think he was looking for a physical altercation necessarily, but he was looking for any excuse to embarrass Harper to get back at him in kind. That makes him unequivocally in the wrong. If it wasn't this pop-up, it would have been some other thing. And the fact that it was such a stupid thing to get on him about (since, you know, he made it to first base and all) just shows that Pap was looking for any excuse. And then being the first to escalate it to a physical confrontation makes him doubly in the wrong. Forget that he's the "new guy" or that Harper is a superstar. I agree that those don't work in Pap's favor either, but they're secondary. The only real point is that he intentionally went looking to find a way to embarrass a teammate and then physically attacked that teammate when the teammate didn't appreciate being embarrassed (particularly for something that he didn't really do wrong).
Nitkowski (and the people to whom he spoke) is, apparently, an idiot. I get that Harper does some things that aren't in the "code." He doesn't like the "hit someone intentionally" stuff; he shows people up with his hustle at times, and somewhat ironically he dogs it every once in a while when he's down on himself. Yes, he's also brash. But, goodness, hasn't he earned the right to be brash this year! The one anonymous commenter saying that Harper "hasn't won anything" is particularly rich. Maybe that's technically true....but he's about to win something awfully significant! And he performed quite well in his postseason experience last year. People like to find a way to take guys down a peg that they don't like, but doing it in this situation shows that they are simply jealous. Or stupid. Or more likely both.
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Post by SaxaCD on Sept 29, 2015 9:01:34 GMT -5
I agree, absolutely not Papelbon's place -- and yes, the context is different, but it's also becoming a pattern for Harper. Hopefully with a bit of maturity, it won't become something he's known for 5 years down the road. You have a strange definition of pattern. Oh?
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Post by SaxaCD on Sept 29, 2015 9:06:36 GMT -5
I agree, absolutely not Papelbon's place -- and yes, the context is different, but it's also becoming a pattern for Harper. Hopefully with a bit of maturity, it won't become something he's known for 5 years down the road. Yeah, got to keep reminding myself that he's only 22. But I'd hazard to guess that if he keeps putting up the numbers he put up this year, most people won't notice any lack of hustle. From 2013, as well... m.mlb.com/news/article/59078646/
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Post by kchoya on Sept 29, 2015 12:01:55 GMT -5
Yeah, got to keep reminding myself that he's only 22. But I'd hazard to guess that if he keeps putting up the numbers he put up this year, most people won't notice any lack of hustle. From 2013, as well... m.mlb.com/news/article/59078646/Great find. Three out of 2100+ plate appearances. Again, you have a strange definition of what constitutes a "pattern." Guess he wasn't hustling on 4/25/14? How does that fit into your "pattern?" Also, the next time Wilson Ramos hustles to first base will be the first time.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 29, 2015 13:24:29 GMT -5
When Harper was constantly injuring himself by running into things, people complained he hustled too much. Now, he doesn't hustle enough.
He may be a jackass, but who really cares? The hustle argument is a freaking joke. Papelbon is a known ass. Seems cut and dry to me.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Sept 29, 2015 16:46:26 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 29, 2015 18:12:48 GMT -5
Great find. Three out of 2100+ plate appearances. Again, you have a strange definition of what constitutes a "pattern." Guess he wasn't hustling on 4/25/14? How does that fit into your "pattern?" Also, the next time Wilson Ramos hustles to first base will be the first time. The only location to which Wilson Ramos hustles is the trainers room. . .to avoid answering media inquiries. While I'm not a gigantic fan of Bryce Harper, I'd gladly take him on my roster (if I had a roster). "Lack of hustle" and all.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 29, 2015 18:38:24 GMT -5
I'll trade you Puig for Harper. What do you say, Nats fans?
And you needn't answer, because I know that no one with even a single gray cell would make that deal.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 30, 2015 7:02:44 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Sept 30, 2015 11:22:05 GMT -5
This. And the crap about "well if he hustled he could've made it second if the right fielder made an error" is so stupid. Try running on Jeff Francoeur and tell me how that works out.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 30, 2015 11:24:44 GMT -5
I'll trade you Puig for Harper. What do you say, Nats fans? And you needn't answer, because I know that no one with even a single gray cell would make that deal. Sorry, I don't think Puig is going anywhere.
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 30, 2015 13:36:53 GMT -5
Great find. Three out of 2100+ plate appearances. Again, you have a strange definition of what constitutes a "pattern." Guess he wasn't hustling on 4/25/14? How does that fit into your "pattern?" Also, the next time Wilson Ramos hustles to first base will be the first time. Sometimes it seems to me that baseball is really just an exercise in confirmation bias
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Post by kchoya on Sept 30, 2015 15:29:39 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainspirit on Sept 30, 2015 19:48:35 GMT -5
The column by Barry Svrluga referenced in the Deadspin article is devastating.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 30, 2015 20:02:23 GMT -5
I'll trade you Puig for Harper. What do you say, Nats fans? And you needn't answer, because I know that no one with even a single gray cell would make that deal. Sorry, I don't think Puig is going anywhere. Billboards in LA mean nothing. Ask Dwight Howard. Nevertheless, I agree that Puig isn't likely to be traded. However, I think if the Nats were to call Andrew "the Genius" Friedman and offer Harper for Puig, the Genius might do it.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 2, 2015 14:57:07 GMT -5
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