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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 11, 2015 21:27:45 GMT -5
Not my policy - board policy.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 11, 2015 21:38:29 GMT -5
Dan, did anything in the posts regarding the previous Sporting News story about an agent cross the line on board policy with relation to DSR?
I'm thinking no or you would have shut that discussion down.
I didn't see anything that was defamation of character worthy in that, just someone pointing to another story that could be similar. Story was factual based on it's source.
None of that makes it true of DSR just a scenario that has taken place which is what is being discussed.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 11, 2015 22:19:49 GMT -5
Of course any poster can always post whatever you want - but when you base your post on wild unfounded speculation you have to expect some blowback. Valid points with some actual foundation will generate reasonable discussion; if that ain't what you are bringing to the table, you are asking for negative comments. Actually I think it's always been Dan's policy that rumours and innuendo are not allowed on current players. So the poster cannot just post whatever they want. Unfounded speculation isn't within the rules of the board and, seeing as how upstate has zero basis for what he/she posted, he's/she's walking the line at best. It probably would have been deleted except for the fact that it had zero credibility. As for eagle, it's fairly clear what the agenda is there. Which is fine if it wasn't just that. But, largely, it has been and it's transparent. The victim card, at that point, is what is left to one's disposal.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 11, 2015 22:21:11 GMT -5
Dan, did anything in the posts regarding the previous Sporting News story about an agent cross the line on board policy with relation to DSR? I'm thinking no or you would have shut that discussion down. I didn't see anything that was defamation of character worthy in that, just someone pointing to another story that could be similar. Story was factual based on it's source. None of that makes it true of DSR just a scenario that has taken place which is what is being discussed. Reread upstate's post. I think you're the only one not understanding the reason for the backlash.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 11, 2015 22:24:34 GMT -5
Personally, I find it offensive that some are, though in a bit of a roundabout way, taking shots at a guy that, by all accounts, has worked his butt off and has represented our school really, really well. Why assume the worst about a man like that? He's given not one of us any reason to give him anything but the benefit of the doubt. Take your stupid, short-sighted, slanderous conspiracy theories elsewhere. DSR hasn't warranted any of that crap. There are Whittington threads you can revive for that stuff.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 11, 2015 22:40:48 GMT -5
Please be mindful of the board rules about rumors when you post. Let's not stray too far afield on theories here. As for not taking posts down, this post followed the upstate post referenced above. Suffice it to say posts WILL be taken down if they cross the line.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 11, 2015 22:51:47 GMT -5
Personally, I find it offensive that some are, though in a bit of a roundabout way, taking shots at a guy that, by all accounts, has worked his butt off and has represented our school really, really well. Why assume the worst about a man like that? He's given not one of us any reason to give him anything but the benefit of the doubt. Take your stupid, short-sighted, slanderous conspiracy theories elsewhere. DSR hasn't warranted any of that crap. There are Whittington threads you can revive for that stuff. All due respect tas but not sure where you come off with your portrayal of anything in your last three posts but that's for another day. The story reported was DSR declares for draft and will hire an agent. That was then backed up by JTIII's comments "D'Vauntes has decided to enter the NBA Draft. He has given a great deal to this program and we will do everything we can to help him pursue his goals." Then a story that he's reconsidered that decision. Could be many scenarios but doesn't follow what others have done to declare under JTIII. That's why the speculation that something is not right. Let's again act like everyone here is out of line that something isn't amiss here. When has another player that declared for the draft early had this type of reporting to follow. I have no agenda here other than to support the program (albeit not blindly) but also hold this program accountable for what is readily apparent in their performance (speaking to your references to my "agenda"). If this Board is not about having real criticism for this program when it under performs then I don't get its purpose. You can continue to hide your head in the sand but it won't do much for anyone.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 11, 2015 23:11:53 GMT -5
Personally, I find it offensive that some are, though in a bit of a roundabout way, taking shots at a guy that, by all accounts, has worked his butt off and has represented our school really, really well. Why assume the worst about a man like that? He's given not one of us any reason to give him anything but the benefit of the doubt. Take your stupid, short-sighted, slanderous conspiracy theories elsewhere. DSR hasn't warranted any of that crap. There are Whittington threads you can revive for that stuff. All due respect tas but not sure where you come off with your portrayal of anything in your last three posts but that's for another day. The story reported was DSR declares for draft and will hire an agent. Â That was then backed up by JTIII's comments "D'Vauntes has decided to enter the NBA Draft. He has given a great deal to this program and we will do everything we can to help him pursue his goals." Then a story that he's reconsidered that decision. Â Could be many scenarios but doesn't follow what others have done to declare under JTIII. Â That's why the speculation that something is not right. Â Let's again act like everyone here is out of line that something isn't amiss here. Â When has another player that declared for the draft early had this type of reporting to follow. Â I have no agenda here other than to support the program (albeit not blindly) but also hold this program accountable for what is readily apparent in their performance (speaking to your references to my "agenda"). Â If this Board is not about having real criticism for this program when it under performs then I don't get its purpose. Â You can continue to hide your head in the sand but it won't do much for anyone. Â The initial report was that he INTENDS to hire an agent - not that he WILL hire an agent - a small but meaningful distinction. And I don't recall any player under III declaring for the draft and then reversing that decision, so of course it doesn't "follow what others have done". The bottom line is that upstate strongly suggested that there was something suspicious here - without ANY basis other than the fact that the program has not made an official announcement in advance of the deadline. If he had simply stated that he had uncertainties until something official happened, as others had said, there would have been no criticism. But he didn't, so he invited the responses
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Post by tashoya on Apr 11, 2015 23:21:10 GMT -5
Personally, I find it offensive that some are, though in a bit of a roundabout way, taking shots at a guy that, by all accounts, has worked his butt off and has represented our school really, really well. Why assume the worst about a man like that? He's given not one of us any reason to give him anything but the benefit of the doubt. Take your stupid, short-sighted, slanderous conspiracy theories elsewhere. DSR hasn't warranted any of that crap. There are Whittington threads you can revive for that stuff. All due respect tas but not sure where you come off with your portrayal of anything in your last three posts but that's for another day. The story reported was DSR declares for draft and will hire an agent. That was then backed up by JTIII's comments "D'Vauntes has decided to enter the NBA Draft. He has given a great deal to this program and we will do everything we can to help him pursue his goals." Then a story that he's reconsidered that decision. Could be many scenarios but doesn't follow what others have done to declare under JTIII. That's why the speculation that something is not right. Let's again act like everyone here is out of line that something isn't amiss here. When has another player that declared for the draft early had this type of reporting to follow. I have no agenda here other than to support the program (albeit not blindly) but also hold this program accountable for what is readily apparent in their performance (speaking to your references to my "agenda"). If this Board is not about having real criticism for this program when it under performs then I don't get its purpose. You can continue to hide your head in the sand but it won't do much for anyone. Reading comprehension is not a strong suit for you. I get that. What has DSR done to warrant speculation of violation of any rule with regard to his collegiate status? It was announced that he "intended" to hire an agent. DSR himself announced his intention to return. What makes you think he doesn't know what he's talking about? The speculation is moronic. He certainly knows more than you and upstate. It's not a discussion until there is evidence that it is. Until there's even an inkling that there's something amiss, it's you two clowns crapping on a fellow Hoya for no reason whatsoever. And then you act like you have some basis for it. I get that you "don't have time" to respond to everything but find a new thing to hitch your wagon to. This one is a nonstarter and you look like a moron for perpetuating it.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 11, 2015 23:30:17 GMT -5
All due respect tas but not sure where you come off with your portrayal of anything in your last three posts but that's for another day. The story reported was DSR declares for draft and will hire an agent. That was then backed up by JTIII's comments "D'Vauntes has decided to enter the NBA Draft. He has given a great deal to this program and we will do everything we can to help him pursue his goals." Then a story that he's reconsidered that decision. Could be many scenarios but doesn't follow what others have done to declare under JTIII. That's why the speculation that something is not right. Let's again act like everyone here is out of line that something isn't amiss here. When has another player that declared for the draft early had this type of reporting to follow. I have no agenda here other than to support the program (albeit not blindly) but also hold this program accountable for what is readily apparent in their performance (speaking to your references to my "agenda"). If this Board is not about having real criticism for this program when it under performs then I don't get its purpose. You can continue to hide your head in the sand but it won't do much for anyone. The initial report was that he INTENDS to hire an agent - not that he WILL hire an agent - a small but meaningful distinction. And I don't recall any player under III declaring for the draft and then reversing that decision, so of course it doesn't "follow what others have done". The bottom line is that upstate strongly suggested that there was something suspicious here - without ANY basis other than the fact that the program has not made an official announcement in advance of the deadline. If he had simply stated that he had uncertainties until something official happened, as others had said, there would have been no criticism. But he didn't, so he invited the responses Your point about III not having a player reversing his decision is part of the question here. He's always done a great job of working that out with player and making sure that player is making the right decision. He's always stood behind those decisions from earlier players when they made similar announcements. Now we have a player who makes announcement, coach issues release supporting player and now we have player rethinking. Could be as easy as him rethinking which is what I think the faithful here support. My question is why isn't this like how other players entering league in the past were handled. Coach has always been in control and made sure these decisions were handled properly by the player, coach and university. Why is this different? Something went wrong on the PR side here and that's what needs to be explained. If no one talks people speculate. This is a big time program and it's message board should be able to handle that.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 11, 2015 23:34:54 GMT -5
The initial report was that he INTENDS to hire an agent - not that he WILL hire an agent - a small but meaningful distinction. And I don't recall any player under III declaring for the draft and then reversing that decision, so of course it doesn't "follow what others have done". The bottom line is that upstate strongly suggested that there was something suspicious here - without ANY basis other than the fact that the program has not made an official announcement in advance of the deadline. If he had simply stated that he had uncertainties until something official happened, as others had said, there would have been no criticism. But he didn't, so he invited the responses Your point about III not having a player reversing his decision is part of the question here. He's always done a great job of working that out with player and making sure that player is making the right decision. He's always stood behind those decisions from earlier players when they made similar announcements. Now we have a player who makes announcement, coach issues release supporting player and now we have player rethinking. Could be as easy as him rethinking which is what I think the faithful here support. My question is why isn't this like how other players entering league in the past were handled. Coach has always been in control and made sure these decisions were handled properly by the player, coach and university. Why is this different? Something went wrong on the PR side here and that's what needs to be explained. If no one talks people speculate. This is a big time program and it's message board should be able to handle that. Again. Baseless speculation. You have no knowledge of this situation or any situation previous to this one. You're just making things up to support your baseless opinions. What evidence do you have that the coach is in control of these decisions? He's not by the way. The more you post, the more ridiculous it gets. You have no evidence of anything. None. And yet you're delusional enough to think you do. We should start a thread on that.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 11, 2015 23:39:48 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure DSR is more knowledgeable than anyone here about his eligibility. And yet some here have the audacity to question it. You guys suck. Seriously. On what basis do you doubt him? He works too hard? He scores too many points? He's in too good of shape? He's never had academic issues? He supports incoming players too much? He's creeping too high on all-time lists? You should be embarrassed.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 11, 2015 23:40:51 GMT -5
All due respect tas but not sure where you come off with your portrayal of anything in your last three posts but that's for another day. The story reported was DSR declares for draft and will hire an agent. That was then backed up by JTIII's comments "D'Vauntes has decided to enter the NBA Draft. He has given a great deal to this program and we will do everything we can to help him pursue his goals." Then a story that he's reconsidered that decision. Could be many scenarios but doesn't follow what others have done to declare under JTIII. That's why the speculation that something is not right. Let's again act like everyone here is out of line that something isn't amiss here. When has another player that declared for the draft early had this type of reporting to follow. I have no agenda here other than to support the program (albeit not blindly) but also hold this program accountable for what is readily apparent in their performance (speaking to your references to my "agenda"). If this Board is not about having real criticism for this program when it under performs then I don't get its purpose. You can continue to hide your head in the sand but it won't do much for anyone. Reading comprehension is not a strong suit for you. I get that. What has DSR done to warrant speculation of violation of any rule with regard to his collegiate status? It was announced that he "intended" to hire an agent. DSR himself announced his intention to return. What makes you think he doesn't know what he's talking about? The speculation is moronic. He certainly knows more than you and upstate. It's not a discussion until there is evidence that it is. Until there's even an inkling that there's something amiss, it's you two clowns crapping on a fellow Hoya for no reason whatsoever. And then you act like you have some basis for it. I get that you "don't have time" to respond to everything but find a new thing to hitch your wagon to. This one is a nonstarter and you look like a moron for perpetuating it. Funny you mention that, I always thought I was good in reading comprehension. The criticism I had was dealing with close minded individuals who spout off that I had issue with. At a minimum this was a poorly chosen path for DSR without anyone consulting him or this wouldn't have been announced this way and then backed by our coach. If that's the case, then fine but that is an issue for us to improve upon. Why is our star player announcing for the draft and our coach wishing him well? Maybe better communication is needed. I think these situations were always handled well in the past which was my point earlier. This doesn't fit. If that scenario above is not the case then what is it? That's the point of the board to discuss. Unless we just want group think and if that's the case then turn off the ability for others to post and tell us what it is.
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 11, 2015 23:45:03 GMT -5
I feel like this thread has reached the "last call" stage. Anyone with something new to contribute should do it soon, 'cause the people in charge are probably gonna lock it up soon.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 11, 2015 23:49:42 GMT -5
You were wrong about your reading comprehension competency. Also, you have no knowledge of how DSR came to his decision or how he came to change his mind nor the level of involvement of the staff. Again, you know nothing and yet you act like you do. Without knowing the framework for DSR's original decision and his subsequent change of heart, the fact that you have the audacity to call either a bad decision says more about you than him. Quick question... what level of consultation did DSR get? Please do enlighten us. You have no clue. None at all. But you can judge the situation just fine with zero information. Well done. That said, if a player makes a decision to leave and has given his all for three years, would you prefer his college coach to trash him? It seems that's what you'd prefer. You can post whatever you'd like. But don't act like you know things you don't and please don't disrespect guys that have put all they have into the program and have gotten it done in the classroom as well. This is a problem, as a community, that we're very lucky to have.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Apr 11, 2015 23:58:16 GMT -5
I said a couple days ago that I would be glad when the University puts out a release. I'll admit that this whole sequence of events still seems a bit odd to me, but again, I have never really followed a situation like this where a player explores the draft and comes back before. Thus, I don't really know the typical protocol from either the player or the program.
Let me be clear--I don't think, nor would I suggest, that DSR would ever do anything intentionally to risk his eligibility. Plus, I think the passage of time with no news is a good thing, not a bad thing. His tweets seem like he's back, giving 100%, and committed to next year. Plus, from reading the recruiting forum it seems like the staff has moved on to giving us more depth, which is consistent with planning for a big run with DSR and the rest of the team next year. Additionally, I was glad to read on casual that it seemed like JTIII was working with him on the search--that's great news when it comes to following the rules. Something I had seen earlier seemed to suggest that they might have been more on the outside looking in. To me, everything that has happened since the initial rumors of his return broke has been very good news.
As others have pointed out, our athletics department never is exactly forthcoming with news. I'd like a release from the staff or at least some comment about his return; eventually I'll get one, as will everyone else. Right now, though, I'm just watching to see if we can finally sign another guard and looking forward to an offseason with a little less frantic reading of hoyatalk.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 11, 2015 23:58:59 GMT -5
You were wrong about your reading comprehension competency. Also, you have no knowledge of how DSR came to his decision or how he came to change his mind nor the level of involvement of the staff. Again, you know nothing and yet you act like you do. Without knowing the framework for DSR's original decision and his subsequent change of heart, the fact that you have the audacity to call either a bad decision says more about you than him. Quick question... what level of consultation did DSR get? Please do enlighten us. You have no clue. None at all. But you can judge the situation just fine with zero information. Well done. That said, if a player makes a decision to leave and has given his all for three years, would you prefer his college coach to trash him? It seems that's what you'd prefer. You can post whatever you'd like. But don't act like you know things you don't and please don't disrespect guys that have put all they have into the program and have gotten it done in the classroom as well. This is a problem, as a community, that we're very lucky to have. Not sure you have no more knowledge than I do other than that's easy for you to say. I know that at a minimum he handled this whole scenario incredibly poor. Before you release news of hiring an agent and entering the draft you better have all of your ducks in a row. If DSR comes back that is good for all of us but this wasn't handled properly by someone. Perhaps a lesson for those that follow but don't discount that this issue was created by the way it was released which came from the player and the coach which is what created this thread.
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Post by Just Cos on Apr 12, 2015 0:26:07 GMT -5
Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. Time to move on to other topics like an on campus arena or how the incoming freshman will be the next Michael Jordan...or at least the Kenner League hot dogs.
Let's not lose site that we are dealing with college kids and that the most likely scenario is usually the accurate one.
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Post by Hoyaholic on Apr 12, 2015 0:52:54 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I had a chance meeting with a BE head BB coach two days ago. When I mentioned my concern about the lack of an official announcement by GU of DSR's returning, he seemed very convinced (and not particularly thrilled) that DSR will be back.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 12, 2015 3:55:14 GMT -5
Reading comprehension is not a strong suit for you. I get that. What has DSR done to warrant speculation of violation of any rule with regard to his collegiate status? It was announced that he "intended" to hire an agent. DSR himself announced his intention to return. What makes you think he doesn't know what he's talking about? The speculation is moronic. He certainly knows more than you and upstate. It's not a discussion until there is evidence that it is. Until there's even an inkling that there's something amiss, it's you two clowns crapping on a fellow Hoya for no reason whatsoever. And then you act like you have some basis for it. I get that you "don't have time" to respond to everything but find a new thing to hitch your wagon to. This one is a nonstarter and you look like a moron for perpetuating it. Funny you mention that, I always thought I was good in reading comprehension. The criticism I had was dealing with close minded individuals who spout off that I had issue with. At a minimum this was a poorly chosen path for DSR without anyone consulting him or this wouldn't have been announced this way and then backed by our coach. If that's the case, then fine but that is an issue for us to improve upon. Why is our star player announcing for the draft and our coach wishing him well? Maybe better communication is needed. I think these situations were always handled well in the past which was my point earlier. This doesn't fit. If that scenario above is not the case then what is it? That's the point of the board to discuss. Unless we just want group think and if that's the case then turn off the ability for others to post and tell us what it is. What do you have against Occam and his razor?
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