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Post by Filo on Apr 10, 2015 12:58:41 GMT -5
Please be mindful of the board rules about rumors when you post. Let's not stray too far afield on theories here. Given upstate's post, LMAO.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 10, 2015 13:02:03 GMT -5
The longer this drags out the more likely it is that the original story will hold. Maybe some trashy agent comes out of the weeds waving a "contract" signed by [allegedly] DSR, that "agent's" first and only client. Meanwhile the agent scrambling for accreditation status. This scenario plays out only too frequently. When the contract is voided because the agent wasn't certified, he pulls the pin on the grenade and blows up everybody in the room by saying that the player has accepted "improper benefits" ($$$) over the last year. Of course that prevents the agent from ever being an agent but also prevents the player from returning to school. Hope thats not the deal here. The original story wasn't that he had signed with an agent it was that he intended to sign with an agent. There is a big difference.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Apr 10, 2015 13:35:59 GMT -5
gtown might not release anymore statements about dsr returning.they more then likely will not,because if dsr did not sign with a agent and withdrew his name from nba draft,that is all he has to do. the staff and jt3 will make sure everything is done right,but we will not know for sure untill kenner i guess. it will surprise if the hoyas release another statement.that is the way gtown works.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 10, 2015 13:54:16 GMT -5
The longer this drags out the more likely it is that the original story will hold. Maybe some trashy agent comes out of the weeds waving a "contract" signed by [allegedly] DSR, that "agent's" first and only client. Meanwhile the agent scrambling for accreditation status. This scenario plays out only too frequently. When the contract is voided because the agent wasn't certified, he pulls the pin on the grenade and blows up everybody in the room by saying that the player has accepted "improper benefits" ($$$) over the last year. Of course that prevents the agent from ever being an agent but also prevents the player from returning to school. Hope thats not the deal here. Man, the crazies have really come out since the Utah loss.
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Post by upstatesaxa on Apr 10, 2015 20:40:04 GMT -5
The longer this drags out the more likely it is that the original story will hold. Maybe some trashy agent comes out of the weeds waving a "contract" signed by [allegedly] DSR, that "agent's" first and only client. Meanwhile the agent scrambling for accreditation status. This scenario plays out only too frequently. When the contract is voided because the agent wasn't certified, he pulls the pin on the grenade and blows up everybody in the room by saying that the player has accepted "improper benefits" ($$$) over the last year. Of course that prevents the agent from ever being an agent but also prevents the player from returning to school. Hope thats not the deal here. This scenario plays out "only too frequently". I'm skeptical that's the case because I don't know that I've ever heard of such a thing. Any specific examples you can point to? Ten seconds I found this.... www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-07-10/pj-hairston-agent-juan-morrow-fake-not-real-nba-draft-contract-nbpa but don't believe Hairston wanted back/could go back I guess we'll see as time goes on. I agree in general that the program says more rather than less but I think in this instance, silence is indicative of a problem Its funny that guys who have time to post 5,000 times are the self appointed arbiters of sanity
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 10, 2015 22:11:43 GMT -5
Idiots. The kid changed his mind once already, why would you put out a press release when he doesn't have to sign or do anything legally binding to say he's staying, and could still change his mind before the deadline. He says on Twitter he's staying, he's staying period, except that he could change his mind again as anyone can.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 10, 2015 22:26:41 GMT -5
Yeah this is rampant speculation. I have no concerns about any of this. There is nothing to see here.
Then again we do rampant speculation pretty spectacularly here.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 10, 2015 23:00:14 GMT -5
This scenario plays out "only too frequently". I'm skeptical that's the case because I don't know that I've ever heard of such a thing. Any specific examples you can point to? Ten seconds I found this.... www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-07-10/pj-hairston-agent-juan-morrow-fake-not-real-nba-draft-contract-nbpa but don't believe Hairston wanted back/could go back I guess we'll see as time goes on. I agree in general that the program says more rather than less but I think in this instance, silence is indicative of a problem Its funny that guys who have time to post 5,000 times are the self appointed arbiters of sanity That's how this board works. The more you post to it the more knowledge you have. You automatically discount anyone with a valid point who hasn't posted several thousand nonsense posts. Welcome and make sure you take your Hoya pills everyday so you won't have any criticism for anything that is Hoya basketball because when this team doesn't succeed it's because the other programs aren't doing it "the right way".
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Post by kchoya on Apr 10, 2015 23:36:51 GMT -5
That's how this board works. The more you post to it the more knowledge you have. You automatically discount anyone with a valid point who hasn't posted several thousand nonsense posts. Welcome and make sure you take your Hoya pills everyday so you won't have any criticism for anything that is Hoya basketball because when this team doesn't succeed it's because the other programs aren't doing it "the right way". Okay, deleted. Why don't you actually respond to the substance of his post. Do you think that the crazyman's conspiracy theory will actually turn out to be true?
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Post by kchoya on Apr 10, 2015 23:38:24 GMT -5
This scenario plays out "only too frequently". I'm skeptical that's the case because I don't know that I've ever heard of such a thing. Any specific examples you can point to? Ten seconds I found this.... www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-07-10/pj-hairston-agent-juan-morrow-fake-not-real-nba-draft-contract-nbpa but don't believe Hairston wanted back/could go back I guess we'll see as time goes on. I agree in general that the program says more rather than less but I think in this instance, silence is indicative of a problem Its funny that guys who have time to post 5,000 times are the self appointed arbiters of sanity You're totally right. That link proves your point that "This scenario plays out only too frequently." Seriously, how do you come up with the nonsense?
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 10, 2015 23:52:11 GMT -5
That's how this board works. The more you post to it the more knowledge you have. You automatically discount anyone with a valid point who hasn't posted several thousand nonsense posts. Welcome and make sure you take your Hoya pills everyday so you won't have any criticism for anything that is Hoya basketball because when this team doesn't succeed it's because the other programs aren't doing it "the right way". Okay, deleted. Why don't you actually respond to the substance of his post. Do you think that the crazyman's conspiracy theory will actually turn out to be true? No I'm sure whatever you said will happen because you are usually right. Good job with the name calling big guy, that's real original. It's too easy, you make my point for me about this board.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 11, 2015 7:20:30 GMT -5
That's how this board works. The more you post to it the more knowledge you have. You automatically discount anyone with a valid point who hasn't posted several thousand nonsense posts. Welcome and make sure you take your Hoya pills everyday so you won't have any criticism for anything that is Hoya basketball because when this team doesn't succeed it's because the other programs aren't doing it "the right way". The problem with your theory is that it presumes a "valid point", which we don't have here. "The longer this plays out the more likely it is that the original story will hold". Um no. Because the notoriously tight lipped athletic department has not issued a formal statement, we can now presume that DSR has been defrauded by, and signed a contract with, a fake agent. Wait, my bad, I overlooked the inherent logic in that scenario.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 11, 2015 8:43:22 GMT -5
Regardless of what theory you subscribe to, I don't see the athletic department releasing anything until at least the underclassman NBA declaration deadline has passed on April 26th.
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 11, 2015 11:02:24 GMT -5
Regardless of what theory you subscribe to, I don't see the athletic department releasing anything until at least the underclassman NBA declaration deadline has passed on April 26th. I believe that while that is the NBA declaration deadline, the NCAA requires underclassmen to withdraw their name from the draft before the spring signing period which would be April 14.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 11, 2015 11:22:39 GMT -5
Okay, deleted. Why don't you actually respond to the substance of his post. Do you think that the crazyman's conspiracy theory will actually turn out to be true? No I'm sure whatever you said will happen because you are usually right. Good job with the name calling big guy, that's real original. It's too easy, you make my point for me about this board. I see you continue to ignore the substance of this thread and simply focus on other posters. Good job old man.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 11, 2015 15:50:57 GMT -5
Regardless of what theory you subscribe to, I don't see the athletic department releasing anything until at least the underclassman NBA declaration deadline has passed on April 26th. I believe that while that is the NBA declaration deadline, the NCAA requires underclassmen to withdraw their name from the draft before the spring signing period which would be April 14. Cambridge is correct and it would be safe to assume that that JTIII knows exactly what the process he has been working on the proposed changes: "For the past three years, players have had to decide whether to enter their names into the NBA draft by the first day of college basketball's spring signing period. For players on teams that go deep into the NCAA tournament, there has been as little as one week between the end of their season and the NCAA's deadline for a life-altering choice, hardly a sufficient amount of time to get realistic, unfiltered feedback about players' draft stock." "That concerns coaches such as Kentucky's John Calipari, Michigan State's Tom Izzo, Duke's Mike Krzyzewski and Georgetown's John Thompson III as well as NCAA vice president for basketball championships Dan Gavitt, NABC executive director Jim Haney and Kiki Vandeweghe, NBA senior vice president, basketball operations." "Together, they've been working for the last eight months on a recommendation to change the pre-NBA draft process to allow players about five more weeks than they currently have to get information before making their decision to go pro or return to school. Under the proposal, prospects would also get direct feedback from NBA general managers." www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2015/03/11/nba-draft-entry-withdrawal-deadline-proposal-calipari-izzo-krzyzewski-thompson/24746527/
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 11, 2015 17:25:39 GMT -5
No I'm sure whatever you said will happen because you are usually right. Good job with the name calling big guy, that's real original. It's too easy, you make my point for me about this board. I see you continue to ignore the substance of this thread and simply focus on other posters. Good job old man. I'm not ignoring anything but I do have a life aside from monitoring every post on this board. First off you need to stop discounting everything that is introduced that goes against what you think. It's fine to debate it which is what this board should be about You taking a run at people in the manner that you do shows your ignorance but perhaps from your post you are just young and naive as I'm the old man. I actually think the fact that this whole announcement and retraction was handled in this manner and JTIII acknowledged he was leaving means there is a lot more to this story than what we know. This board should be about discussing that. No one knows for sure but can be debated here without trying to kill someone for presenting a theory. Any other Hoya that has declared for the NBA where the University has backed them up like happened here was vetted. So something seems amiss and isn't explained. Could be a simple change of mind but I think in the past these discussions between JTIII and the player were very thorough and everyone seemed to be on the same page.
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Post by beenaround on Apr 11, 2015 17:31:21 GMT -5
Eagle...I have no clue what if any backstory really exists with DSR, other then his determining that his NBA future or even prospects of big money overseas, might be better served by playing another year at Gtown. I do not honestly even care what the "real story " is, because I am just glad he has chosen to play another year. However, I do agree that you have the right to put forth any theory you wish, for a meaningful discussion, as long as it is not disrespectful or slanderous.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 11, 2015 18:38:52 GMT -5
Eagle...I have no clue what if any backstory really exists with DSR, other then his determining that his NBA future or even prospects of big money overseas, might be better served by playing another year at Gtown. I do not honestly even care what the "real story " is, because I am just glad he has chosen to play another year. However, I do agree that you have the right to put forth any theory you wish, for a meaningful discussion, as long as it is not disrespectful or slanderous. Of course any poster can always post whatever you want - but when you base your post on wild unfounded speculation you have to expect some blowback. Valid points with some actual foundation will generate reasonable discussion; if that ain't what you are bringing to the table, you are asking for negative comments.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 11, 2015 21:09:36 GMT -5
Eagle...I have no clue what if any backstory really exists with DSR, other then his determining that his NBA future or even prospects of big money overseas, might be better served by playing another year at Gtown. I do not honestly even care what the "real story " is, because I am just glad he has chosen to play another year. However, I do agree that you have the right to put forth any theory you wish, for a meaningful discussion, as long as it is not disrespectful or slanderous. Of course any poster can always post whatever you want - but when you base your post on wild unfounded speculation you have to expect some blowback. Valid points with some actual foundation will generate reasonable discussion; if that ain't what you are bringing to the table, you are asking for negative comments. Actually I think it's always been Dan's policy that rumours and innuendo are not allowed on current players. So the poster cannot just post whatever they want.
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