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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 1, 2015 12:21:49 GMT -5
Considering the ridiculous schedule we have to start the season, I think it would be to our advantage to start PW and Hayes. The idea of starting 2 freshman in the interior of our defense makes me more then just a little nervous. We have a chance to make a huge statement the first week of the season with wins at Twerps, against Wisconsin and duke. It's very possible the difference in these games will be the smallest detail such as a defensive rotation to stop a scoring opportunity or just getting off to a great start in the games that the flexibility, knowledge and chemistry that PW and Hayes will have with the rest of starting line up (DSR, Peak, Copeland). I expect Hayes and Govan to split the 40 minutes at the Center position (excluding foul trouble) throughout the season any ways. I also expect Derrickson to play about 20 minutes a game and PW will play multiple positions so his minutes will be 20-30 minutes based on how he is playing, line ups, match ups, etc.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 1, 2015 12:39:23 GMT -5
Considering the ridiculous schedule we have to start the season, I think it would be to our advantage to start PW and Hayes. The idea of starting 2 freshman in the interior of our defense makes me more then just a little nervous. We have a chance to make a huge statement the first week of the season with wins at Twerps, against Wisconsin and duke. It's very possible the difference in these games will be the smallest detail such as a defensive rotation to stop a scoring opportunity or just getting off to a great start in the games that the flexibility, knowledge and chemistry that PW and Hayes will have with the rest of starting line up (DSR, Peak, Copeland). I expect Hayes and Govan to split the 40 minutes at the Center position (excluding foul trouble) throughout the season any ways. I also expect Derrickson to play about 20 minutes a game and PW will play multiple positions so his minutes will be 20-30 minutes based on how he is playing, line ups, match ups, etc. Best players play. Who cares if they are freshman? EDIT: realize this came across as angry; didn't mean it that way. I just think "freshmanness" would show up in performance -- so if despite that they are better, play 'em! It's not something to add on AFTER we evalute play.
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Post by Locker on Oct 1, 2015 13:01:10 GMT -5
There are candy stores in Nevada offering Georgetown fans 110 jelly beans to one, depending on how the team performs. Yum.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Oct 1, 2015 13:23:05 GMT -5
Yes, I don't want to retread old (or obvious) ground, but the five position is a potential challenge. Still, I don't fully discount the possibility that we can effectively play small with neither Jesse nor Bradley in the game for large stretches against certain teams. I hear what you're saying about Derrickson at the five (or one of our other options), but the opposing five has to guard him, and the opposing five has to be competent offensively to take advantage of the mismatch. There really aren't an overwhelming number of guys out there that fit that bill -- especially backups.
And it's true that Jesse (crucially -- this is true so far only on paper and in highlights or foreign tour snap videos) has the capability to improve literally every other member of the team's offensive game by forcing the defensive center out of the lane. We need Jesse to competently do that to get where I want to get, but I don't think we need more than that.
So, yes, it's a question mark. But it's a question with answers, unlike many of the ones we asked in the recent past. (Example: How do we score, if both our four and our five can't score from outside of two feet?)
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 1, 2015 13:39:22 GMT -5
Yes, I don't want to retread old (or obvious) ground, but the five position is a potential challenge. Still, I don't fully discount the possibility that we can effectively play small with neither Jesse nor Bradley in the game for large stretches against certain teams. I hear what you're saying about Derrickson at the five (or one of our other options), but the opposing five has to guard him, and the opposing five has to be competent offensively to take advantage of the mismatch. There really aren't an overwhelming number of guys out there that fit that bill -- especially backups. Yeah, I didn't mean to say I doubt Derrickson can hang with most BE centers. In fact, I expect him to play the backup center against smaller teams with more mobile big guys (and Hayes to play against more players like him). But it's still a question mark. I also question our ability to repeatedly exploit mismatches. I love our offense but we've never been good at going back at a mismatch over and over -- it doesn't take much adjustment by the defense to flow us elsewhere. This is true. An open lane versus Smith; converted assists versus Hop. Agree. I always like having a diversified offense. Outside Shooting: Good, maybe great? DSR, Cope, Campbell, White, Derrickson, maybe even Govan. Peak may be passable. Dribble Drive: Uncertain. So much depends on Peak / Cope. Otherwise you are looking at DSR's opportunistic play and...? Movement/Screens: At least mediocre. Hopefully a more mobile center opens up more "Princeton" buckets. Post Play: Uncertain. I'd like to say mediocre at minimum, but so much rests on Govan and maybe some Paul White. Offensive Rebounding: Uncertain. Derrickson and Kaleb look like they have the hunger, but everyone else might be mediocre. Fast Break: Good. I have a hard time expecting great from a JTIII team. We don't pressure the ball enough or run enough. But we are good on the break. That doesn't feel like a great offense unless Govan brings above average post play and, say, Peak brings the dribble drive. Then again, there are some pretty good offenses built on Movement/Screens + Outside Shooting if you are good enough at 'em!
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 1, 2015 14:18:38 GMT -5
Considering the ridiculous schedule we have to start the season, I think it would be to our advantage to start PW and Hayes. The idea of starting 2 freshman in the interior of our defense makes me more then just a little nervous. We have a chance to make a huge statement the first week of the season with wins at Twerps, against Wisconsin and duke. It's very possible the difference in these games will be the smallest detail such as a defensive rotation to stop a scoring opportunity or just getting off to a great start in the games that the flexibility, knowledge and chemistry that PW and Hayes will have with the rest of starting line up (DSR, Peak, Copeland). I expect Hayes and Govan to split the 40 minutes at the Center position (excluding foul trouble) throughout the season any ways. I also expect Derrickson to play about 20 minutes a game and PW will play multiple positions so his minutes will be 20-30 minutes based on how he is playing, line ups, match ups, etc. Best players play. Who cares if they are freshman? EDIT: realize this came across as angry; didn't mean it that way. I just think "freshmanness" would show up in performance -- so if despite that they are better, play 'em! It's not something to add on AFTER we evalute play. Pump your brakes! I never said the freshman should not play! I expect all 3 freshman to all be impact contributors at some point in the upcoming season. I stated that because of the difficulty to the schedule at the beginning of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if and would prefer a more experienced line up to start the games. It will be vital to get off to good starts in these upcoming games against twerps, Wisconsin and duke. If we started the season with 4 or 5 cupcakes on the schedule, then starting 2 freshman would be easier because they could be eased into playing at the high major college level. It is a huge jump from high school to High Major Division 1 Basketball. JT3 uses a very complex man to man defense that relies on a lot of help-side rotations, potential switching and heavy communication. All freshman are going to make mistakes that could potentially cost you games, particularly early in the season (Butler in the Bahamas and Kansas last season). Any coach will tell you that "the best thing about Freshman, is that they become Sophomores."
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Post by Cambridge on Oct 1, 2015 14:30:07 GMT -5
Movement/Screens: At least mediocre. Hopefully a more mobile center opens up more "Princeton" buckets. Offensive Rebounding: Uncertain. Derrickson and Kaleb look like they have the hunger, but everyone else might be mediocre. I'd put Ike in both of those discussions. He was one of the better cutters and one of our better offensive rebounders last season.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 1, 2015 14:43:58 GMT -5
Movement/Screens: At least mediocre. Hopefully a more mobile center opens up more "Princeton" buckets. Offensive Rebounding: Uncertain. Derrickson and Kaleb look like they have the hunger, but everyone else might be mediocre. I'd put Ike in both of those discussions. He was one of the better cutters and one of our better offensive rebounders last season. Joshua had the hunger.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 1, 2015 14:47:35 GMT -5
Best players play. Who cares if they are freshman? EDIT: realize this came across as angry; didn't mean it that way. I just think "freshmanness" would show up in performance -- so if despite that they are better, play 'em! It's not something to add on AFTER we evalute play. Pump your brakes! I never said the freshman should not play! I expect all 3 freshman to all be impact contributors at some point in the upcoming season. I stated that because of the difficulty to the schedule at the beginning of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if and would prefer a more experienced line up to start the games. It will be vital to get off to good starts in these upcoming games against twerps, Wisconsin and duke. If we started the season with 4 or 5 cupcakes on the schedule, then starting 2 freshman would be easier because they could be eased into playing at the high major college level. It is a huge jump from high school to High Major Division 1 Basketball. JT3 uses a very complex man to man defense that relies on a lot of help-side rotations, potential switching and heavy communication. All freshman are going to make mistakes that could potentially cost you games, particularly early in the season (Butler in the Bahamas and Kansas last season). Any coach will tell you that "the best thing about Freshman, is that they become Sophomores." Sooo... aside from the weird "Pump your brakes" written after I tried to make clear I was asking an honest question... Your original post was not "I think the freshman won't be ready to take Hayes / White's spot" but rather "It would be to our advantage" - that is, we should start Hayes and White because they aren't freshmen. My point of view is if they are better than Hayes and White they should play more. If they are worse -- whether because they are inexperienced of not -- they shouldn't. If that's what you are saying -- but that you think they won't be better -- then we agree. If not, we disagree.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 1, 2015 15:04:38 GMT -5
Movement/Screens: At least mediocre. Hopefully a more mobile center opens up more "Princeton" buckets. Offensive Rebounding: Uncertain. Derrickson and Kaleb look like they have the hunger, but everyone else might be mediocre. I'd put Ike in both of those discussions. He was one of the better cutters and one of our better offensive rebounders last season. Agree on Ike. He's not Josh, but he's above average. But I'm not sure Ike, two freshman down low and Hayes make it a known quantity. As for the Princeton stuff, Ike is good at it. But it's a team play and the last few years our passing has been terrible. We miss so MANY cutters.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 1, 2015 15:33:21 GMT -5
It will be irrelevant for most of the OOC schedule, but keep in mind that Agau could very well take some minutes at center too, especially when JT3 wants to go with a smaller lineup. I actually think that center is the position where we are probably thinnest. Even if Govan is very good, there is a good chance he'll foul a fair amount (as freshman big men tend to do), and from a stamina perspective, it's unlikely he'll play 40 minutes. Thus, even if we get the most we can get out of Govan, we still have a lot of questions behind him.
Granted, we have enough talent that I don't think we need a dominant center, but we need someone competent on both offense and defense. I imagine we'll see more of Hayes against smaller OOC teams than we will eventually see when we get to the conference games.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 1, 2015 17:20:21 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see how JT3 chooses to attack back-court pressure this season with the 30 second shot clock..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 1, 2015 17:50:28 GMT -5
Pump your brakes! I never said the freshman should not play! I expect all 3 freshman to all be impact contributors at some point in the upcoming season. I stated that because of the difficulty to the schedule at the beginning of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if and would prefer a more experienced line up to start the games. It will be vital to get off to good starts in these upcoming games against twerps, Wisconsin and duke. If we started the season with 4 or 5 cupcakes on the schedule, then starting 2 freshman would be easier because they could be eased into playing at the high major college level. It is a huge jump from high school to High Major Division 1 Basketball. JT3 uses a very complex man to man defense that relies on a lot of help-side rotations, potential switching and heavy communication. All freshman are going to make mistakes that could potentially cost you games, particularly early in the season (Butler in the Bahamas and Kansas last season). Any coach will tell you that "the best thing about Freshman, is that they become Sophomores." Sooo... aside from the weird "Pump your brakes" written after I tried to make clear I was asking an honest question... Your original post was not "I think the freshman won't be ready to take Hayes / White's spot" but rather "It would be to our advantage" - that is, we should start Hayes and White because they aren't freshmen. My point of view is if they are better than Hayes and White they should play more. If they are worse -- whether because they are inexperienced of not -- they shouldn't. If that's what you are saying -- but that you think they won't be better -- then we agree. If not, we disagree. No disrespect or anger was or is meant in my "pump your brakes" or any of these comment. I think PW and Hayes should start as a result of the difficulty of our schedule to start the season. If we were playing 3 or 4 cupcakes to start the season then starting 2 freshman wouldn't bother me because they can get their feet wet and we could tell how ready the freshman are for this high level of competition. Experience can be the difference between wins and losses to start the season. We saw our freshman make huge mistakes last year that impacted close games against nationally ranked teams that impacted our overall season. We beat Butler in the Bahamas and Kansas at home, we are seated higher and in a different bracket in the NCAA Tournament and maybe we get to the Sweet 16. I'm not saying the freshman were the reason we lost those close games but I am saying they made "Freshman Mistakes" in those game that hurt our chances. At this time last year, most expected Copeland the jewel of our 2014 recruiting class to be an immediate impact prospect. It took him a little while to get his feet wet and comfortable at this level. After the first game of the season, Peak was being anointed as the 2nd coming of A.I. and he was very inconsistent throughout the rest of his freshman season. Paul White had his ups and downs. We won't know how ready these freshman are until probably December/January. I don't think we have to rely on them in heavy pressure situations immediately to start their college careers. We can bring them along because the rest of the talent on this team is very very good. The talent level between players on this team outside of DSR is pretty minuscule. The rest of the roster has strength and weakness that cancel each other out. For example, Peak is great at attacking the basket and on the defensive side but statistically not the greatest perimeter threat. Another example is Copeland, who is extremely talented and athletic but lacked the physical strength to defend on the interior against bruising PF. Paul White is multi skilled and easily the most versatile player on a roster but was not the best rebounder last year. Derrickson, while unproven at the D1 level looks like he will be our teams 2nd best perimeter threat but we said the same thing about Reggie Cameron before the start of his freshman year. This team's roster is very very talented. There is probably very little to differentiate who the best players on this team are. The best players will be dictated more by situations and match-ups rather then saying these are our best 5 players. For that reason we don't have to depend on 2 freshman to be starters on this team out of the gate against the teams we are going to play. It's not that I'm against both Govan and Derrickson starting to open the season because they are freshman, I'm against them starting because of our schedule. I'm cool with one of the freshman starting because that will limit the level of "Freshman Mistakes" in our tough early schedule. If 2 freshman end up starting by the BE Conference Schedule hopefully it's because they have shown that when the games tips off, they are more then ready to shine.
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Post by seaweed on Oct 1, 2015 20:52:15 GMT -5
(Example: How do we score, if both our four and our five can't score from outside of two feet?) In the interest of full disclosure, other than Josh, many of those guys weren't too consistent inside 2 ft.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 11:11:53 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 2, 2015 11:48:54 GMT -5
Jessie looks pretty meanery to me!
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 3, 2015 8:57:37 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 3, 2015 9:53:56 GMT -5
Someone update me. Have the rules changed? Does practice start before MM now?
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Post by kchoya on Oct 3, 2015 10:23:47 GMT -5
Someone update me. Have the rules changed? Does practice start before MM now? Yes. Previously, teams were not allowed to begin until 5 p.m. on the Friday closest to Oct. 15. Now schools can make their own judgment about the starting time when practice begins. The 2013 changes mean that teams will be able to start practices in late September rather than mid-October.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 3, 2015 11:28:19 GMT -5
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