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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 3, 2015 11:32:51 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Oct 3, 2015 11:52:54 GMT -5
Maybe Seth can tell us who is doing the passing?
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Post by bicentennial on Oct 3, 2015 13:25:43 GMT -5
The Seth Greenberg link: He's added a few more GU comments, some general basketball comments and other crap as well since the above GU posts: twitter.com/SethOnHoops
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 3, 2015 15:53:29 GMT -5
Someone update me. Have the rules changed? Does practice start before MM now? Practice can begin 42 days before the first game. During that period, teams can practice 30 times. The first game cannot be played until the second Friday in November at the earliest.
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 3, 2015 17:30:26 GMT -5
Have to love how he refers to his kids (daughter #1) in coaching terms. Can't take the coach out of the father.
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 3, 2015 18:48:52 GMT -5
Someone update me. Have the rules changed? Does practice start before MM now? Yes. Previously, teams were not allowed to begin until 5 p.m. on the Friday closest to Oct. 15. Now schools can make their own judgment about the starting time when practice begins. The 2013 changes mean that teams will be able to start practices in late September rather than mid-October. Man, how did I miss that? Thanks.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 3, 2015 21:28:33 GMT -5
While I don't doubt Derrickson will play a big role for us, I highly doubt he will start over PW. PW is vastly skilled and has one more year than the freshman here. Not to mention JT3's preference of veterans throughout the course of his career here. But if Derrickson does indeed start over PW, man that kid must be THAT good then. It's probably a safe bet that PW will get the starts early especially considering the schedule. That said, it's not like JT3 won't start freshmen over sophomores. Both LJ and Copeland were starting at the end of last year. That had a lot to do with depth at the 5 but it also had to do with Isaac earning the spot. Considering the differences between Derrickson and White, if Derrickson can handle the speed of the game and the level of skill he'll be facing, some of those starting decisions, especially mid-season and later, might have more to do with match-ups. It's not like we'll be doing wholesale substitutions and PW has more versatility to provide off of the bench. He could very easily get starter minutes (regardless of his role, I assume that he will) just coming off of the bench. That's assuming our defense isn't really bad. We have a lot of options on offense this year (YES!!) but our defense is a huge question mark. I can't see us playing much man defense early on unless more than one guy surprises us with his defensive prowess/progression. We lost a lot in that regard with our graduating class.
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 3, 2015 22:18:18 GMT -5
Our graduating class had guys this very board were crapping all over for most of their careers at GU. Jabril was "fake tough" for many and a guy who too often reached and picked up quick fouls. Mikael was a statistical nightmae apparently on both sides of the ball. It appeared that everyone who kept up the hard numbers claimed that he was a liability on both sides of the ball, and that his best asset, his ability to swat the ball, was overrated and not enough to cover his deficiencies. Big Josh was, well, too big to get up and down the court and either didn't have the stamina or the defensive IQ to stay on the court. He wasn't great at switching and was unable to keep up with smaller players (which means EVERYBODY) on the perimeter. Too foul prone. And despite his height and amazing athleticism no one thought of Bowen as being a great defender.
I loved those guys and I'm aware that people suddenly thought of Jabril as being an 8as................
EDIT: Sorry, I think I probably fell asleep or something writing that last part. LOL.
Anyhow the point I was going to make that as much as I loved those guys (especially Jabril) I'm astounded that both fans and some writers of college basketball magazines believe the Hoyas will have difficulty adjusting to their departures. I just don't see it that way.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 3, 2015 23:29:35 GMT -5
Our graduating class had guys this very board were crapping all over for most of their careers at GU. Jabril was "fake tough" for many and a guy who too often reached and picked up quick fouls. Mikael was a statistical nightmae apparently on both sides of the ball. It appeared that everyone who kept up the hard numbers claimed that he was a liability on both sides of the ball, and that his best asset, his ability to swat the ball, was overrated and not enough to cover his deficiencies. Big Josh was, well, too big to get up and down the court and either didn't have the stamina or the defensive IQ to stay on the court. He wasn't great at switching and was unable to keep up with smaller players (which means EVERYBODY) on the perimeter. Too foul prone. And despite his height and amazing athleticism no one thought of Bowen as being a great defender. I loved those guys and I'm aware that people suddenly thought of Jabril as being an 8as Jabril made some bone-headed decisions out of emotion/competitiveness but he also had an X on his back in that regard and got plenty of provocation. Either way, while he talked smack and played too physically at times, he was the guy on all of those teams carrying that mantle. Our Hoyas had a softness that many equated with our "heady" offense. I loved his toughness even though I didn't always like how he displayed it. He pushed the envelope but it never came across as dirty to me. Maybe that's me being too loyal of a Hoya. But it just came across to me as being as competitive as I want to see. That said, there was much more to him as a player than his bulldog side. Dude worked his butt off on D and took pride in it. And, for his last year and a half, he was more than a solid weapon on offense. I re-watched the EWU recently and he changed the whole tenor of that game both with his attitude and with his play. I hope we have 2 guys like him on every iteration of our Hoyas. Unfortunately, there are likely not 2 guys like him in all of CBB every 4 years. There is some truth to the things that most of us harped on last year with regard to the mistakes of last year's group but it's very difficult for me to think that we shouldn't all be concerned about the defensive personnel/talent that we've lost to graduation. That's not to say that this team can't be good defensively. I have questions, for sure. I only mean to say that the guys that have now moved on should get the respect they deserve.
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Post by prhoya on Oct 4, 2015 1:12:16 GMT -5
Again, I think we will be surprised positively on both sides of the court and we will better than last year on both. I don't see why a Peak cannot be just as good or better than Jabril on defense, Bradley/Jessie/Trey/White/Agau be better defensively than HopSmith at center, the frosh be better than average on defense with Kaleb potentially great in that area, plus have a natural progression/understanding of the defense by returning players to create an overall better defensive team than last year. Also, keep in mind that a better offensive team will create more pressure on the other team to keep up offensively (just like JT3's FF team), leading to more rushed shots, mistakes, turnovers, fouls, etc...
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 4, 2015 2:26:44 GMT -5
Jabril made some bone-headed decisions out of emotion/competitiveness but he also had an X on his back in that regard and got plenty of provocation. Either way, while he talked smack and played too physically at times, he was the guy on all of those teams carrying that mantle. Our Hoyas had a softness that many equated with our "heady" offense. I loved his toughness even though I didn't always like how he displayed it. He pushed the envelope but it never came across as dirty to me. Maybe that's me being too loyal of a Hoya. But it just came across to me as being as competitive as I want to see. That said, there was much more to him as a player than his bulldog side. Dude worked his butt off on D and took pride in it. And, for his last year and a half, he was more than a solid weapon on offense. I re-watched the EWU recently and he changed the whole tenor of that game both with his attitude and with his play. I hope we have 2 guys like him on every iteration of our Hoyas. Unfortunately, there are likely not 2 guys like him in all of CBB every 4 years. There is some truth to the things that most of us harped on last year with regard to the mistakes of last year's group but it's very difficult for me to think that we shouldn't all be concerned about the defensive personnel/talent that we've lost to graduation. That's not to say that this team can't be good defensively. I have questions, for sure. I only mean to say that the guys that have now moved on should get the respect they deserve. I hear ya and I especially agree with your feelings regarding Jabril. I suppose my point is that how is it any different from every team that loses a group of upperclassmen and seniors? And because they were seniors it wasn't as if their departures were unexpected. There were no big time freshmen or sophs who left early for the draft. Not one of the guys who graduated made an All Big East Team. Not one of them was named Defensive Player of the Year. Only one of them averaged double figures in scoring and he barely did so (Josh). And not one would have been considered the team's best player last season. So it was a good but far from remarkable group of guys we lost from last season. The type of group whose departure a good program should be able to handle without many bumps in the road. Who knows? The Hoyas could be better on defense this season. But even if they aren't they should be able to compensate by being much better on offense IMO.
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 4, 2015 2:51:47 GMT -5
I'm late in my usual edits of the Gtown season. Typically I finish early summer. I've done one for the season as a whole as well as one for DSR, LJ and Ike specifically. I just finished a DVD edit of Paul White (got one more to go for Tre) and I must say it may be the one I enjoy watching the most. It reminded me of just how good Paul was as a frosh and how much better he could probably get. He definitely needs to improve his strength and he needs to do a better job of crashing the boards but even with those needed areas of improvement he was still, IMO, the best all around player on the team last season, and that includes being easily the most gifted passer. Sometimes you don't even recognize how much he is helping the team until you look at the tape and key in on him. For example in that game against Xavier in the BET all fans recall how Copeland went off and got the team back into contention. What most probably didn't notice, certainly I didn't, was how Paul White had fed Copeland the ball perfectly on almost all of Copeland's shots. The passes weren't fancy but were smart and timely and delivered at perfect angles. So basically White was playing PG (according to twitter White did this down the stretch a couple of games during the Hoyas trip to Italy too). And he looked steady and effective doing so. In fact during my edits I noticed a few other games in which his role as pseudo playmaker got Gtown back into the game or helped them win a contest down the stretch. Which makes me wonder why III didn't use him in that capacity more often when the Hoyas were getting killed on the court or were dealing with a stagnating offense or needed smart play at the end of a close game.
One thing that somewhat annoyed me when watching the Paul edit was how way too often he would start to bring up the ball on offense only to hand it off to DSR, Tre or even Jabril if they were close by and motioning him to pass them the rock. Don't get me wrong. DSR is great with the ball. He doesn't turn it over and he makes good passes. But he was also playing over 30 minutes a game and was the Hoyas' most reliable scorer. I felt at times he should have allowed Paul to decrease some of the wear and tear he was going through as being the team's primary offensive weapon, primary ballhandler, primary assist guy and leader of team in minutes. He should have allowed Paul to bring the ball up in more of those moments while he himself got in position to score. Besides at at least 6'8 White could see the floor better in those occasions and was always bound to make the right pass anyway. Frankly he is a weapon that the team should have utilized more last season. This is why I want him in the starting lineup for 2015-2016, but alas that's out of my hands.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 4, 2015 13:05:16 GMT -5
Every team in college ball loses something every year; that's part of the game. I don't think there's any doubt that the overall production from last year is replaceable and probably a bit below average compared to what most teams lose. That's tough to say of a Top 25 team sometimes, but while they were productive at times, given Top 25 standards, we should be able to replace them.
I think you can believe that and still be concerned about freshmen delivering or sophomores developing. HopSmith wasn't great. Sometimes each of them played well, sometimes they played atrociously. I think Govan & Co will be better. But I can also see them not being better -- it's entirely possible. Freshmen can be bad; they can tire down the stretch.
It's the same with Peak v Trawick. Peak has more potential, but Trawick was better last year. Peak couldn't hit a shot -- inside or outside -- despite being superior in getting to the hoop and having better physical skills. After a year of work, should that change? Sure! Will it necessarily? No.
I'm super optimistic about this year but it does require a few things to be true.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 4, 2015 20:45:40 GMT -5
MCI and SF, as always, thank you for your thoughtful, considered posts and your perspectives. Lots of good points in each of your posts. I guess we all sway one way or another when it comes to the uncertainty of unproven guys and a lack of knowledge about the development of players (or lack thereof) over the off-season. I think my post about my concerns about the loss of Jabril and, to a degree, Hopkins with regard to defense was certainly colored by having re-watched the EWU game not long ago. Being able to put Jabril on the opposing team's best offensive player that was 6'7" or shorter was a big plus. I'm not saying that I don't think that Peak can fill those shoes eventually. In many of my posts over the past year I've noted the work that LJ put in on the defensive end and that he improved more than any other player in that regard over the course of last season. I hope that that continues because he has the physical tools to do that. Having said that, he's also a guy that we will need to create on offense. And, while I don't know it to be true, I had the sense last year that his offense suffered because of the effort he was devoting to defense. I could be entirely wrong about that but this iteration of Hoyas I feel will need him to be able to realize more of his potential on both the offensive and defensive sides than we required from Jabril. Jabril had some really good offensive games but, a lot of the time, it seemed a little surprising or unexpected to me when it happened. Less so towards the end of his career but I just never thought at the tip of a game that we'd rely on Jabril for significant offensive production. Did he provide it at times? Absolutely. But, to me, it felt a bit like gravy when he had a game like that. With LJ, I expect him to put up 10 or more nearly every game because he's that talented offensively. For him to also be one of our top defensive players as well, I suppose, worries me a bit. Maybe I'm just looking at him the wrong way. Maybe I'm equating him too much with Jabril. Maybe LJ gets it done on both ends night in and night out. I'd absolutely love to see it because we don't have a Bowen coming off the bench to provide some proven D. Not that Bowen didn't get lost on switches a bunch too but he played some really solid on-ball defense and was also good in whatever presses we utilized. Maybe Kaleb is that guy. It sounds like he could be. My apologies as I'm just rambling at this point. Can we just start the damn season already?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 4, 2015 20:50:25 GMT -5
MCI and SF, as always, thank you for your thoughtful, considered posts and your perspectives. Lots of good points in each of your posts. I guess we all sway one way or another when it comes to the uncertainty of unproven guys and a lack of knowledge about the development of players (or lack thereof) over the off-season. I think my post about my concerns about the loss of Jabril and, to a degree, Hopkins with regard to defense was certainly colored by having re-watched the EWU game not long ago. Being able to put Jabril on the opposing team's best offensive player that was 6'7" or shorter was a big plus. I'm not saying that I don't think that Peak can fill those shoes eventually. In many of my posts over the past year I've noted the work that LJ put in on the defensive end and that he improved more than any other player in that regard over the course of last season. I hope that that continues because he has the physical tools to do that. Having said that, he's also a guy that we will need to create on offense. And, while I don't know it to be true, I had the sense last year that his offense suffered because of the effort he was devoting to defense. I could be entirely wrong about that but this iteration of Hoyas I feel will need him to be able to realize more of his potential on both the offensive and defensive sides than we required from Jabril. Jabril had some really good offensive games but, a lot of the time, it seemed a little surprising or unexpected to me when it happened. Less so towards the end of his career but I just never thought at the tip of a game that we'd rely on Jabril for significant offensive production. Did he provide it at times? Absolutely. But, to me, it felt a bit like gravy when he had a game like that. With LJ, I expect him to put up 10 or more nearly every game because he's that talented offensively. For him to also be one of our top defensive players as well, I suppose, worries me a bit. Maybe I'm just looking at him the wrong way. Maybe I'm equating him too much with Jabril. Maybe LJ gets it done on both ends night in and night out. I'd absolutely love to see it because we don't have a Bowen coming off the bench to provide some proven D. Not that Bowen didn't get lost on switches a bunch too but he played some really solid on-ball defense and was also good in whatever presses we utilized. Maybe Kaleb is that guy. It sounds like he could be. My apologies as I'm just rambling at this point. Can we just start the damn season already? Obviously, excessive effort on one end can create some breakdowns on the other. But I don't know why LJ would have less conditioning than others -- I mean, dude seems pretty in shape to me.. His big issue last year was that nothing really fell -- not his outside shot, not when he drove. Hopefully he's worked on converting close to the basket and his shot. He can be a star.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 4, 2015 21:20:38 GMT -5
MCI and SF, as always, thank you for your thoughtful, considered posts and your perspectives. Lots of good points in each of your posts. I guess we all sway one way or another when it comes to the uncertainty of unproven guys and a lack of knowledge about the development of players (or lack thereof) over the off-season. I think my post about my concerns about the loss of Jabril and, to a degree, Hopkins with regard to defense was certainly colored by having re-watched the EWU game not long ago. Being able to put Jabril on the opposing team's best offensive player that was 6'7" or shorter was a big plus. I'm not saying that I don't think that Peak can fill those shoes eventually. In many of my posts over the past year I've noted the work that LJ put in on the defensive end and that he improved more than any other player in that regard over the course of last season. I hope that that continues because he has the physical tools to do that. Having said that, he's also a guy that we will need to create on offense. And, while I don't know it to be true, I had the sense last year that his offense suffered because of the effort he was devoting to defense. I could be entirely wrong about that but this iteration of Hoyas I feel will need him to be able to realize more of his potential on both the offensive and defensive sides than we required from Jabril. Jabril had some really good offensive games but, a lot of the time, it seemed a little surprising or unexpected to me when it happened. Less so towards the end of his career but I just never thought at the tip of a game that we'd rely on Jabril for significant offensive production. Did he provide it at times? Absolutely. But, to me, it felt a bit like gravy when he had a game like that. With LJ, I expect him to put up 10 or more nearly every game because he's that talented offensively. For him to also be one of our top defensive players as well, I suppose, worries me a bit. Maybe I'm just looking at him the wrong way. Maybe I'm equating him too much with Jabril. Maybe LJ gets it done on both ends night in and night out. I'd absolutely love to see it because we don't have a Bowen coming off the bench to provide some proven D. Not that Bowen didn't get lost on switches a bunch too but he played some really solid on-ball defense and was also good in whatever presses we utilized. Maybe Kaleb is that guy. It sounds like he could be. My apologies as I'm just rambling at this point. Can we just start the damn season already? Obviously, excessive effort on one end can create some breakdowns on the other. But I don't know why LJ would have less conditioning than others -- I mean, dude seems pretty in shape to me.. His big issue last year was that nothing really fell -- not his outside shot, not when he drove. Hopefully he's worked on converting close to the basket and his shot. He can be a star. He looked to me like he put on weight (the bad kind) during the season last year. Not exactly rare for a freshman. In the photos that I've seen since the end of last season and the few clips from Italy, he looks more like he did day one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 16:39:39 GMT -5
Robert O'Neill: A huge role. Just like last season with LJ Peak and Paul White and Tre Campbell and Isaac Copeland all contributing, Jessie Govan and Marcus Derrickson will as well. I think one of those two will be starting on opening night, and one will be the sixth man. It's a nice problem to have for the Hoyas: Too many good young players. Villanova has a similar problem.
Christopher Novak: Fully expect JT3 to throw Govan, Derrickson and Kaleb Johnson into the fires just as he did with the freshmen a season ago. As my colleague says, they just have too many good young players and it's hard not to envision success for them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 15:57:36 GMT -5
From Nova board:
Nova Blue White Scrimmage
Blue / White Scrimmage on Saturday; consistent observations from many who attended: - Brunson looks like an upper classman with the ball in his hands; also 3/3 from 3 in the game - Ochefu's back up Reynolds looks chiseled and long and held his own vs. Ochefu; gives Nova more height than they could have put on the floor last year - Arch, Hart, Jenkins, Ochefu all solid as expected from upper classmen - Biggest surprise of the day apparently was Frosh Donte DiVencenzo. 6'5" with a 40" vertical; BE body already; he displayed elite athleticism (who would have guessed for a Italian white kid from DE); shot 4/6 from 3. Some thought that he'd be a potential red shirt going into the season. Many are saying he's going to get a decent amount of time at the 2/3 if he plays like he did yesterday. He was outside of the ESPN top 100 coming in (I think mostly b/c he was injured much of his Jr year). Most of the Nova faithful were blown away by his performance apparently.
I understand the need to pump the breaks and keep one game in perspective but we know what we'll get from the Jr's and Sr's. Good to hear there is some depth behind them as well.
On a side note, we heard that Nova will be playing Maryland in a closed door scrimmage in the next couple of weeks. Trimble vs. Brunson; Stone vs. Ochefu. Top preseason ACC team vs. top preseason BE team. Wish they'd sell tix to that one. Hoping someone can get a recap of that one to gauge where both teams are.
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