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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Mar 22, 2015 0:39:48 GMT -5
I thought it was interesting that Jabril in his comments pivoted to next year. I believe him. Next year's team will be special! Guys go get some rest. This was bitter-sweet.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 22, 2015 1:06:32 GMT -5
I thought when Jabril injured his elbow, he got fouled. He wasn't the same after that. He was terrific before that. Here's to all the seniors. Thanks for the memories and your efforts. You will always be Hoyas!
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Post by prhoya on Mar 22, 2015 2:19:47 GMT -5
And Notre Dame is about to wrap up the Big East's nut-kicking for the night. No Sweet 16 teams last year, one this year - that's lousy. Very. A colossally disappointing day for our fledgling conference. Really just awful. Not really any way to sugarcoat it. Effing nova. Is Jay Wright's seat getting warm?
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 22, 2015 3:24:24 GMT -5
Couldn't make any stops in the last six minutes. So it goes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 4:19:59 GMT -5
Guys showed up, they played hard and lost to a team that was ranked in the top 10 most of the year and is #8 on Kenpom. I can live with that result.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 22, 2015 4:43:07 GMT -5
This is completely random, and maybe I'm just naive, but I really am tired of hearing fans around the country refer to our guys as thugs. Lots of Eastern Washington and Utah fans used that line a loooooot. I get that people don't like Trawick, but everyone knows what that's code for, referring to guys as thugs. It's totally classless and messed up. At the Garden, the Creighton fans behind me kept using the thug line too. Again, I'm used Syracuse fans heckling us and all, but this is different. It's a reputation built off of what our old teams did
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 22, 2015 4:45:41 GMT -5
I thought when Jabril injured his elbow, he got fouled. He wasn't the same after that. He was terrific before that. Here's to all the seniors. Thanks for the memories and your efforts. You will always be Hoyas! Yeah he was absolutely takin Delon Wright's lunch money on every possession on both sides of the ball upto that point.....what a shame
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Post by guru on Mar 22, 2015 7:09:22 GMT -5
Couldn't make any stops in the last six minutes. So it goes. Last 8 minutes actually. Not one empty trip by Utah. They are a very good team but our defense pretty much vanished.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 22, 2015 8:11:31 GMT -5
Couldn't make any stops in the last six minutes. So it goes. Last 8 minutes actually. Not one empty trip by Utah. They are a very good team but our defense pretty much vanished. Which still wouldn't have mattered if our offense could keep up and be counted on a game-to-game basis.
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Mar 22, 2015 8:16:33 GMT -5
Thought experiment: if someone showed you a chart of the shots that each team would take and who would take them during the course of the game (excluding the last two minutes when we had to foul), what would your reaction be?
I think I would have been happy with the number and type of shots taken by DSR, Ike, and Jabril. I would have thought that LJ took too many threes and that some of those shots should have gone down low to Joshua or perhaps be taken by Tre instead.
On the defensive end, I might have to watch the game again to say for sure, but I think I would have been happy to have Taylor take those 3's. I would have thought we let #31 & #55 take too many free throws.
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Post by guru on Mar 22, 2015 8:23:59 GMT -5
Last 8 minutes actually. Not one empty trip by Utah. They are a very good team but our defense pretty much vanished. Which still wouldn't have mattered if our offense could keep up and be counted on a game-to-game basis. If our offense scored literally every time we took possession in the last 8 minutes as well? Correct. It wouldn't have mattered.
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Post by burnell on Mar 22, 2015 8:30:59 GMT -5
Thought experiment: if someone showed you a chart of the shots that each team would take and who would take them during the course of the game (excluding the last two minutes when we had to foul), what would your reaction be? I think I would have been happy with the number and type of shots taken by DSR, Ike, and Jabril. I would have thought that LJ took too many threes and that some of those shots should have gone down low to Joshua or perhaps be taken by Tre instead. On the defensive end, I might have to watch the game again to say for sure, but I think I would have been happy to have Taylor take those 3's. I would have thought we let #31 & #55 take too many free throws.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 22, 2015 9:53:46 GMT -5
Which still wouldn't have mattered if our offense could keep up and be counted on a game-to-game basis. If our offense scored literally every time we took possession in the last 8 minutes as well? Correct. It wouldn't have mattered. I don't even think we needed to score on every possession. We needed that one timely shot that would get us over the hump and shift momentum. We were within 2 or tied multiple times in the second half, went on a couple 5-0, 6-0 runs, but just couldn't get that next bucket. Down 43-42 for a 4 minute stretch where we missed 4 shots and turned the ball over on a Trawick charge. Tied it up at 49, traded buckets from there until we trailed by two 55-57, with 5 minutes to go. That 4 minute stretch where we could have taken the lead was killer though. I think momentum changes tremendously if we could've strung together a mini run.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 22, 2015 10:06:23 GMT -5
Last 8 minutes actually. Not one empty trip by Utah. They are a very good team but our defense pretty much vanished. Which still wouldn't have mattered if our offense could keep up and be counted on a game-to-game basis. Yeah letting a team score on every possession for he last eight minutes of a game doesn't matter.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 22, 2015 10:08:17 GMT -5
Thought experiment: if someone showed you a chart of the shots that each team would take and who would take them during the course of the game (excluding the last two minutes when we had to foul), what would your reaction be? I think I would have been happy with the number and type of shots taken by DSR, Ike, and Jabril. I would have thought that LJ took too many threes and that some of those shots should have gone down low to Joshua or perhaps be taken by Tre instead. On the defensive end, I might have to watch the game again to say for sure, but I think I would have been happy to have Taylor take those 3's. I would have thought we let #31 & #55 take too many free throws. I don't know, Taylor is the reason they won and became one of the best 3pt shooters in the conference over the second half of the season. That was their X factor and the one hing we couldn't let happen if we wanted to win really. Cause Wright was either gonna live in the lane or on the perimeter, not both.
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Post by Talos on Mar 22, 2015 10:18:51 GMT -5
On the one hand, this morning I'm still disappointed we lost and was really looking forward to a sweet 16 matchup with Duke. That game, even if we lost, would have been good exposure for the program and the conference, as well as being a nice showcase for potential recruits. On the other hand, I keep reminding myself not to be that upset because we didn't lose to an unknown mid-major, and we didn't have terrible officiating taking away our best players (i.e. Davidson, Ohio St. games). Utah is a legit top 15 team, and they shot lights out. Our guys seemed to play hard, and I didn't see any quit in them.
That being said, I think the turning point were the back-to-back plays of DSR's "travel" and the foul called on the other end against Jabril. Those two calls could have easily gone the other way, and a 4 point swing in our favor.
Overall, a pretty good season for a talented but flawed team. Looking at our roster this year, it was an interesting mix of players with unique talents and unique weaknesses. We'll never see another player like Josh on our team, taking both the good and the bad. Hopkins turned into a tremendous defender and rebounder, but never learned how to finish. Jabril was certainly not the prototypical shooting guard, but was great at what he did and brought mental and physical toughness that few could match.
It just wasn't our night; a very good team shot very well and our best player was uncharacteristically cold from outside. A more typical outcome on both those factors, and we're in the sweet 16. Disappointed but not devastated.......certainly a much better feeling heading into the offseason than in recent memory....
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Mar 22, 2015 10:25:15 GMT -5
Thought experiment: if someone showed you a chart of the shots that each team would take and who would take them during the course of the game (excluding the last two minutes when we had to foul), what would your reaction be? I think I would have been happy with the number and type of shots taken by DSR, Ike, and Jabril. I would have thought that LJ took too many threes and that some of those shots should have gone down low to Joshua or perhaps be taken by Tre instead. On the defensive end, I might have to watch the game again to say for sure, but I think I would have been happy to have Taylor take those 3's. I would have thought we let #31 & #55 take too many free throws. I don't know, Taylor is the reason they won and became one of the best 3pt shooters in the conference over the second half of the season. That was their X factor and the one hing we couldn't let happen if we wanted to win really. Cause Wright was either gonna live in the lane or on the perimeter, not both. I thought Taylor's shots were reasonably defended for the most part, but he made them. He went 4/8 from three, and DSR was 0/7. I did not see any great failure of effort, tactics, or decision-making. I saw two evenly-matched teams playing at a pretty high level. Utah made some shots and got to the free throw line. As JTIII said, we had a few ill-timed defensive lapses. We had a couple of ill-timed 50-50 calls go against us. Joshua committed a silly foul at the beginning of the second half.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 22, 2015 10:30:52 GMT -5
I don't know, Taylor is the reason they won and became one of the best 3pt shooters in the conference over the second half of the season. That was their X factor and the one hing we couldn't let happen if we wanted to win really. Cause Wright was either gonna live in the lane or on the perimeter, not both. I thought Taylor's shots were reasonably defended for the most part, but he made them. He went 4/8 from three, and DSR was 0/7. I did not see any great failure of effort, tactics, or decision-making. I saw two evenly-matched teams playing at a pretty high level. Utah made some shots and got to the free throw line. As JTIII said, we had a few ill-timed defensive lapses. We had a couple of ill-timed 50-50 calls go against us. Joshua committed a silly foul at the beginning of the second half. Yeah I said X factor, not primary factor.
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Post by MCIGuy on Mar 22, 2015 10:37:46 GMT -5
Which still wouldn't have mattered if our offense could keep up and be counted on a game-to-game basis. If our offense scored literally every time we took possession in the last 8 minutes as well? Correct. It wouldn't have mattered. The offense stalled after the Hoyas went up by ten before the midway mark of the first half. Later on in that half the Hoyas would score their 30th point with over five minutes left and would only manage to score two lousy points the rest of the way. In the opening ten minutes of the second half the Hoyas also suffered patches of droughts. One could argue that the offense faltered because Utah is allegedly such a great defensive team, but the truth is that III's teams have these droughts way too often even when the opponent's defense isn't all that great. So the point I'm making is that if the offense had stayed sharp enough throughout the entire game the Hoyas would have won and even with Utah's near perfect final 8 minutes. It wouldn't have mattered. In the previous loss it was just the reverse with the Hoyas playing great on offense in the final minutes against Xavier in the BE tourney with Xavier going cold in the end. Last time I checked the game is 40 minutes. You don't get a pass for executing on offense for 10 to 15 minutes of a game. You get beat. In the previous game against Eastern Washington the Hoyas were cold for the first seven to eight minutes of the game and were so sloppy with the ball in the final ten minutes of the contest that it almost cost them. More examples of lack of execution/bad offense leading to self-inflicted droughts. Luckily the team scored so many points between those two periods that they had enough of a cushion to win. It helped that they shot over 50% from the floor too. The defense did its job in that game holding the shooting percentage of E. Washington down but it would not have mattered if the Hoyas were unable to put over 80 points. In my opinion this board too often glosses over all the offensive mistakes of this team; people here save their criticisms for the defense being unable to hold every opponent under 40% from the field. Sometimes an opposing team is going to make shots no matter what you do so it is important that you are able to execute well on offense (shoot at least 45% to 46% without turning the ball over much) over the course of an entire game. Also being able to go to the free throw line often on a regular basis helps too. There was improvement in these areas for the Hoyas this season but not nearly enough for me to consider them a likely threat to make it t the sweet Sixteen, something I alluded to just before their first BET game last week.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 22, 2015 10:54:15 GMT -5
If one listened to the Coach in his interview on the way to the locker room at half, he made the point that his team settled for outside shots too much and did not get to the rim enough. They did a little better in the second half, but not well enough. How much of that is due to the players settling and how much is due to Utah's defense which was designed to force the Hoyas to shoot from the outside (Krystowiak said as much) is up for debate. It looked to me like more of the latter. It certainly was not for lack of coaching identification of and emphasis about the issue.
In that context, playing Peak more minutes than Campbell makes a lot of sense, especially when he was so effective attacking the rim.
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