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Post by rockhoya on Mar 21, 2015 22:52:09 GMT -5
Check the stats and the history. Our level of achievement lately shouldn't be taken for granted. We always show out in OOC, nationally televised games and thiugh we haven't always had good luck in the tournament, III always has us competing for the league title, a league that is no less than second or third-best in any given year. I don't disagree. I think we're a good program. I just don't think we're elite and it's sorta silly to go there based on our overall history, not just in the JTIII era, but in the JTII era, Esherick's totally forgetable tenure, etc. We've had some big wins, some great performances, I enjoy rooting for the team and it sucks when we lose. On to next year. Just stating that that's the difference for teams to be considered elite. The problem with teams like Florida not being considered elite lately is because they don't have a storied history to supplement their recent success.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 23:03:04 GMT -5
Is Xavier an "Elite Program"? Of course not, but they've been to the Sweet 16 five times in the last decade, I think. We've now gone 8 seasons without seeing the second weekend of the tournament.
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Post by DallasHoya on Mar 21, 2015 23:05:49 GMT -5
Is Xavier an "Elite Program"? Of course not, but they've been to the Sweet 16 five times in the last decade, I think. We've now gone 8 seasons without seeing the second weekend of the tournament. Yeah, I guess we picked the right teams to join the BE - X and Butler (regardless of what happens in the next 25 seconds).
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 21, 2015 23:08:07 GMT -5
And the last plus/minus numbers for the season, calculated from utahutes.com:
Peak +4, Hopkins +2, Copeland -6, Hayes -6, Smith -7, Smith-Rivera -7, Trawick -7, White -8, Campbell -9, Bowen -11.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 21, 2015 23:11:10 GMT -5
Is Xavier an "Elite Program"? Of course not, but they've been to the Sweet 16 five times in the last decade, I think. We've now gone 8 seasons without seeing the second weekend of the tournament. Not sure I get your point? They also have no Final Four appearances. None. In their entire program history. The list of both elite and not elite programs with better tournament histories is probably pretty long.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 21, 2015 23:19:02 GMT -5
Final Thoughts:
1. I thought the team played well for most of the game.
2. If there is one complaint, I would point to the tight 7 man rotation used for most of the 2nd which included only Paul White and Bradley Hayes. When Utah started making their final run around the 6 min. mark, you could see that their was several defensive lapses occurring. I think Campbell and Bowen could have helped on the defensive end, but both were nailed to the bench.
3. I don't know if Trawick was hurt, I only saw that he kept playing. In the end it will not matter as this is the type of game that the Hoyas have to win. It is now 8 years since Gtown has won 2 games in either the NCAA or NIT and any way you look at it, this is a very long time. 4. As I read the thread comments, about Utah playing a good game this is the same comments made about Florida State last year, FGCU the year before, NC State the year before that, VCU the year about, Ohio the year before that, Baylor the year before that and Davidson the year before that. To get to an Sweet Sixteen or the 3rd Rd. of the NIT, you eventually have to beat a team that is going to bring their "A" game to the table.
Bottom Line: Utah played a good game and shot the ball well, but this is the case for all the Hoyas tournament losses. Hopefully the team gets another chance at the Sweet Sixteen next year, but as history has shown the Hoyas could run into a good shooting team in the 1st Rd. You have to find a way to win these games and in the end that will be the big question.... "How many years will pass before the Hoyas win 2 games in the NCAA or NIT"? By the way Nova is in the same boat or probably worst. You cannot go 29-2 in the Regular Season, get a #1 Seed then get bounced in the 2nd Rd. without criticism raining down on the program and coach.
This heralded Hoya Freshmen recruiting class legacy will rest on doing something that Greg Monroe, Henry Sims, Hollis Thompson, Chris Wright, Austin Freeman, and Otto Porter could not do which is get Georgetown over the hump and into the 2nd weekend of the NCAA or the 3rd Rd. of the NIT.
Final Grade: C (The game was their for taken in the 2nd half when Utah went into their scoring drought and the Hoyas were unable to take advantage).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 23:22:14 GMT -5
Is Xavier an "Elite Program"? Of course not, but they've been to the Sweet 16 five times in the last decade, I think. We've now gone 8 seasons without seeing the second weekend of the tournament. Not sure I get your point? They also have no Final Four appearances. None. In their entire program history. My point is that it doesn't matter if people think that a program is "elite" or not. Programs can have extended periods of success without being viewed as elite. And we haven't even matched Xavier's success over the past eight years. And I love our successful history as much as anyone, but we haven't exactly done anything to add to it since 2007.
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Post by WVHoyasfan on Mar 21, 2015 23:22:43 GMT -5
Is Xavier an "Elite Program"? Of course not, but they've been to the Sweet 16 five times in the last decade, I think. We've now gone 8 seasons without seeing the second weekend of the tournament. I agree with you buddy! Xavier is on the right track and the success that they have had recently has proven that.Us on the other hand its a completly different story with us in the Tourney.We have become the team that teams love to play in the 1st and 2nd rounds b/c they know they will more than likely win.Just my opinion
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Post by paulf on Mar 21, 2015 23:24:09 GMT -5
Utah is a very good team. Thought key stretch was when Hoyas cut it to 2 and had I think 4 cracks to tie or go ahead but did not convert. Lots of positives to build on however. Congrats on a nice bounce back season.
Some things for next season: -Don't know if Govan has the ability to hit shots from foul line area, but if he does it could add nice dimension to the offense. -Not having JT and AB will hurt the club's defensive flexibility. I think that was a dimension that will be missed especially given the types of clubs seen around tourney time. -Peak could hold key to next season. If he develops a dependable J and continues his progression as a good man to man defender then he and DSR become linchpins we can build on. -Hoping Reggie and little Zo can become 10+ minute contributors next season. Think BJ has taken a nice step forward and will be in that 10+ minute category next season. -Hoping Copeland and White stay through junior years at least. Think, with good incoming class of guards and Govan with a year under his belt, that the Hoyas would be Final 4 material in their third year. My early, not so crystal ball, sees a 6 or 7 seed next season in the NCAA tourney.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 23:26:25 GMT -5
And Notre Dame is about to wrap up the Big East's nut-kicking for the night.
No Sweet 16 teams last year, one this year - that's lousy.
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Post by burnell on Mar 21, 2015 23:35:01 GMT -5
I can't wait until next year where going to be real good next year.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 21, 2015 23:35:28 GMT -5
Not sure I get your point? They also have no Final Four appearances. None. In their entire program history. My point is that it doesn't matter if people think that a program is "elite" or not. Programs can have extended periods of success without being viewed as elite. And we haven't even matched Xavier's success over the past eight years. And I love our successful history as much as anyone, but we haven't exactly done anything to add to it since 2007. Again, I'm not disagreeing with you. We have to find a way to have some post season success beyond the first game. It doesn't have to be every year, or even every other year. But the narrative just seems to be a moving target that changes based on the emotions of our fanbase. First it was we never win in the first round. Then it was we always lose to double digit seeds. Well neither of those happened this time. We won our first round game and lost to a single digit seed that was ranked ahead of us all year. Now it's we can't get out of the first weekend. Guaranteed, if we were to make the Sweet 16 and lose, it would be something else. Utah hadn't won a single NCAA game in 10 years. They're going to the Sweet 16 now, but I don't think I'd trade our successful seasons over the past 10 years for one Sweet 16 appearance.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 21, 2015 23:43:46 GMT -5
That's the first time Utah has been to the sweet 16 since 2005. It's the first time ND has been there since 2003. Maybe when you are barely ranked at all during the season, tou shouldn't expect to be entitled to a sweet 16 appearance. Just saying.
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Post by jeffgreensmom2015 on Mar 21, 2015 23:49:59 GMT -5
This is completely random, and maybe I'm just naive, but I really am tired of hearing fans around the country refer to our guys as thugs. Lots of Eastern Washington and Utah fans used that line a loooooot. I get that people don't like Trawick, but everyone knows what that's code for, referring to guys as thugs. It's totally classless and messed up. At the Garden, the Creighton fans behind me kept using the thug line too. Again, I'm used Syracuse fans heckling us and all, but this is different.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 22, 2015 0:13:37 GMT -5
This is completely random, and maybe I'm just naive, but I really am tired of hearing fans around the country refer to our guys as thugs. Lots of Eastern Washington and Utah fans used that line a loooooot. I get that people don't like Trawick, but everyone knows what that's code for, referring to guys as thugs. It's totally classless and messed up. At the Garden, the Creighton fans behind me kept using the thug line too. Again, I'm used Syracuse fans heckling us and all, but this is different. Thug is the Politically Correct way of using the "N" word.
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Post by beenaround on Mar 22, 2015 0:15:24 GMT -5
First of all, want to thank the seniors and all the players for repping the school well and giving their best efforts all year. As I've stated earlier in this thread, I feel Utah is a very good team, with all of the ingredients of an Elite 8 team this year. This was not Ohio or Florida Gulf Coast. And, we did not lose simply because Utah "got incredibly hot or made crazy shots." Yes ..both did happen..but they were also very tough defensively. By and large, we were reduced to shooting threes and DSR could not get loose. So, this did not have anything flukey about it. On the other hand, certainly Utah was beatable, had we risen to the occasion. For whatever reason, we have not beaten an equal or better team in the postseason in awhile. So, overall, I am thrilled we avoided humiliation and beat EWU, but think we beat who we should have and generally lost to whom we should have. Grade for me was a B-
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Post by jeffgreensmom2015 on Mar 22, 2015 0:23:17 GMT -5
This is completely random, and maybe I'm just naive, but I really am tired of hearing fans around the country refer to our guys as thugs. Lots of Eastern Washington and Utah fans used that line a loooooot. I get that people don't like Trawick, but everyone knows what that's code for, referring to guys as thugs. It's totally classless and messed up. At the Garden, the Creighton fans behind me kept using the thug line too. Again, I'm used Syracuse fans heckling us and all, but this is different. Thug is the Politically Correct way of using the "N" word. Exactly. I'm just surprised how unapologetically people throw it around, and everyone knows that the underlying meaning it is. It's pathetic.
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Post by guru on Mar 22, 2015 0:26:13 GMT -5
Is Xavier an "Elite Program"? Of course not, but they've been to the Sweet 16 five times in the last decade, I think. We've now gone 8 seasons without seeing the second weekend of the tournament. Not sure I get your point? They also have no Final Four appearances. None. In their entire program history. The list of both elite and not elite programs with better tournament histories is probably pretty long. Is someone arguing that our program is elite or are you just talking to yourself? We have a very solid program. It's really good. I don't think anyone thinks we're "elite." But maybe a half dozen programs really are? I'm fine with being one of the programs on that next level or thereabouts, and running things with integrity, as I believe III does.
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Post by guru on Mar 22, 2015 0:28:11 GMT -5
And Notre Dame is about to wrap up the Big East's nut-kicking for the night. No Sweet 16 teams last year, one this year - that's lousy. Very. A colossally disappointing day for our fledgling conference. Really just awful. Not really any way to sugarcoat it. Effing nova.
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Post by mfk24 on Mar 22, 2015 0:34:05 GMT -5
Not sure I get your point? They also have no Final Four appearances. None. In their entire program history. The list of both elite and not elite programs with better tournament histories is probably pretty long. Is someone arguing that our program is elite or are you just talking to yourself? We have a very solid program. It's really good. I don't think anyone thinks we're "elite." But maybe a half dozen programs really are? I'm fine with being one of the programs on that next level or thereabouts, and running things with integrity, as I believe III does. It was more in response to Michealdm9's series of posts which have now been deleted by our fine moderator, Dan. He seems to have disappeared though. Good Riddance.
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