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Post by This Just In on Mar 24, 2015 14:43:19 GMT -5
You guys are killing me with the whole "perception of the Big East" thing I worry about Georgetown and Georgetown only. This is college basketball, not college football. Conference really doesn't mean much. If we don't put a team in the sweet 16, is our conference gonna stop receiving an automatic bid to the Dance? no. Will our games cease to be on television? No Nova went out in the second round. If they go 29-2, have the computer numbers and the right amount of wins, will the fact that they fell short this season affect their ability to get a number one seed next year? No. People need to stop fretting and worrying about things they shouldn't be fretting and worrying about. No matter what, the Big East will always be a good league. It will always be a respected league. I want Georgetown to be a great team. I believe we have the chance to do that next season We all want Georgetown to be a great team. I agree we have a chance to do that next season. The issue is whether or not the perception of the conference as a whole will influence our continued ability to be a great team. Your post begins with perception being ridiculous and end with the reassurance that the Big East will always be a respected league. If perception doesn't matter, then why are we talking about respect? Conference doesn't preclude national title hopes, but look at the "expectations" thread: if we're gauging by regular season success, do we want to be in a Gonzaga-like situation where we just beat up on a good mid-major conference every year? What about Xavier's A-10 run from 2002-11? You also said in another thread NC State has more talent than Villanova. So a team that steamrolled through our conference has less talent than the 6th best team in the ACC. Is this not concerning? Do you not think that conference affiliation might have had something to do with acquiring that talent?We have a multi-platform deal with Fox Sports, so yes, many of our games could cease to be on television. You can find several threads complaining about FS's distribution handling relative to that of other providers. We're also playing in an arena three times the size of our undergraduate student body, so interest from the casual local fan is important. If this is true then does the New Big East have a talent issue?
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 24, 2015 14:46:27 GMT -5
Who exactly is going to come calling for Ed Cooley? There's a ton of crappy, major conference schools with too much television money who may want a charismatic guy who can recruit and has made something of what seemed like a hopeless situation in Providence. Not seeing it. Cooley is a Providence lifer and I don't think he's done nearly enough to make anybody at a big time program look at him and say he's the guy they want. I like your list of coaches and how you've laid out their situations, but Cooley and Mack should go in the same bucket as JT3 and Wright. All good coaches who are at their alma maters (or, in the case of JT3, at a school where his family "is" the program) and seem like they are in very stable situations.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 24, 2015 14:52:41 GMT -5
There's a ton of crappy, major conference schools with too much television money who may want a charismatic guy who can recruit and has made something of what seemed like a hopeless situation in Providence. Not seeing it. Cooley is a Providence lifer and I don't think he's done nearly enough to make anybody at a big time program look at him and say he's the guy they want. I like your list of coaches and how you've laid out their situations, but Cooley and Mack should go in the same bucket as JT3 and Wright. All good coaches who are at their alma maters (or, in the case of JT3, at a school where his family "is" the program) and seem like they are in very stable situations. I agree, though just to correct you on the alma mater front - Cooley went to Stonehill College in Rhode Island, and Jay Wright is actually a Bucknell graduate...
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2015 14:53:49 GMT -5
Cooley was Al Skinner's assistant and after BC crapped all over Al I suspect that eliminated any chance Cooley would ever seriously consider going back there. I know Al's tenure ended at BC a bit ugly, but I think even following Skinner's dismissal he spoke highly of the job, calling it his "Dream Job": www.ctpost.com/basketball/article/Boston-College-has-its-eyes-on-Fairfield-s-Cooley-428966.phpThis was before they hired Donahue over him (as I think the administration was leery of getting a Skinner guy to replace Skinner himself), so I don't know what his feelings were when Donahue was fired two years ago and the position was open again. That being said, Ed is an Northeast guy from Providence, so if the BC job and the lure of the ACC don't get him to leave, then I really can't imagine the potential position that he'd prefer over Providence. Which is good is for the Big East, as I think its clear hes in the top half of the league as far as coaches and league ambassadors go... Agree. Plus there has always been an undercurrent of guys like Al not "fitting in" the BC athletics culture. Make of that what you will....
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Post by CTHoya08 on Mar 24, 2015 15:37:12 GMT -5
Not seeing it. Cooley is a Providence lifer and I don't think he's done nearly enough to make anybody at a big time program look at him and say he's the guy they want. I like your list of coaches and how you've laid out their situations, but Cooley and Mack should go in the same bucket as JT3 and Wright. All good coaches who are at their alma maters (or, in the case of JT3, at a school where his family "is" the program) and seem like they are in very stable situations. I agree, though just to correct you on the alma mater front - Cooley went to Stonehill College in Rhode Island, and Jay Wright is actually a Bucknell graduate... And Stonehill is in Easton, Mass. . . .
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 24, 2015 15:46:16 GMT -5
There is certainly a scenario where our games will cease to be on national TV. I hate to break it to you, but that could be the case. I think we got lucky with the FOX deal. I think they probably regret it. They were probably better off doing a bunch of regional packages with various conferences. Don't think they regret it, but definitely think they're rightly disappointed by how the first two years have gone. They are still building their brand, and they are making incremental steps in the right direction. I'm not worried about this yet. If there is one thing that the Fox people know, it I'd how to develop and grow a network and a viewer base - and how long it can take, therefore how patient you have to be. For all we know the Big East may be right where Fox expected. The network and the conference have a lot of smart people involved, they will grow together at an appropriate pace. That is the least of our worries.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 16:33:51 GMT -5
We all want Georgetown to be a great team. I agree we have a chance to do that next season. The issue is whether or not the perception of the conference as a whole will influence our continued ability to be a great team. Your post begins with perception being ridiculous and end with the reassurance that the Big East will always be a respected league. If perception doesn't matter, then why are we talking about respect? Conference doesn't preclude national title hopes, but look at the "expectations" thread: if we're gauging by regular season success, do we want to be in a Gonzaga-like situation where we just beat up on a good mid-major conference every year? What about Xavier's A-10 run from 2002-11? You also said in another thread NC State has more talent than Villanova. So a team that steamrolled through our conference has less talent than the 6th best team in the ACC. Is this not concerning? Do you not think that conference affiliation might have had something to do with acquiring that talent?We have a multi-platform deal with Fox Sports, so yes, many of our games could cease to be on television. You can find several threads complaining about FS's distribution handling relative to that of other providers. We're also playing in an arena three times the size of our undergraduate student body, so interest from the casual local fan is important. It's also exceedingly difficult to have sustained success outside of a major conference. Define sustained success however you want, but Gonzaga is the only school in America that has managed it. Some MVC teams have had nice runs; same with Temple and other A-10 schools for periods over the last 20-30 years; and I suppose VCU (though it hasn't been that long or really that consistently high) recently. But no one aside from Gonzaga has sustained it for, say, a decade. And you know what? If the Zags have two or three bad years in a row, it'll be extremely difficult for them to get their mojo back. That's the benefit of a great conference. You have lots of opportunities to turn things around. I think you’re looking at it the wrong way. There will alway be teams whose some is greater than their individual parts. Nova was a great “team” but individually they’re not great. Credit those kids and their Coaches for getting the most out of their ability . In a 5 game series they would beat NC State but in a one game series NC State if clicking on all cylinders has the talent to beat Nova as does Georgetown or Seton Hall even? NC State also blew out Duke. That’s just college basketball… As far as talent goes, they have 5 star PG Jalen Brunson coming in next year and 5 star PF Omari Spellman coming in 2016. A couple other 4 star talents as well, so they’ve parlayed their wins on the court into successes off it
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 24, 2015 16:36:26 GMT -5
I agree, though just to correct you on the alma mater front - Cooley went to Stonehill College in Rhode Island, and Jay Wright is actually a Bucknell graduate... And Stonehill is in Easton, Mass. . . . Ouch - I knew that too... If I'm going to correct someone, I should be right at least...
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 24, 2015 16:58:30 GMT -5
It's gonna be tremendous when Huggy Bear beats Calishady while wearing his track suit pajamas this weekend...
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 24, 2015 17:44:50 GMT -5
It's gonna be tremendous when Huggy Bear beats Calishady while wearing his track suit pajamas this weekend... You have to give Huggins a break. . .he does wear his dress shoes with the track suit pajamas.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2015 20:03:45 GMT -5
There's a ton of crappy, major conference schools with too much television money who may want a charismatic guy who can recruit and has made something of what seemed like a hopeless situation in Providence. Not seeing it. Cooley is a Providence lifer and I don't think he's done nearly enough to make anybody at a big time program look at him and say he's the guy they want. I like your list of coaches and how you've laid out their situations, but Cooley and Mack should go in the same bucket as JT3 and Wright. All good coaches who are at their alma maters (or, in the case of JT3, at a school where his family "is" the program) and seem like they are in very stable situations. Seems like Mack is out the door.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 24, 2015 20:26:17 GMT -5
Not seeing it. Cooley is a Providence lifer and I don't think he's done nearly enough to make anybody at a big time program look at him and say he's the guy they want. I like your list of coaches and how you've laid out their situations, but Cooley and Mack should go in the same bucket as JT3 and Wright. All good coaches who are at their alma maters (or, in the case of JT3, at a school where his family "is" the program) and seem like they are in very stable situations. Seems like Mack is out the door. Source?
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2015 20:29:18 GMT -5
Seems like Mack is out the door. Source? No source. Just from reading their board this year seems like he lost the locker room for the second time.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 24, 2015 20:42:56 GMT -5
Their board has been far more concerned with his potentially leaving for a more lucrative position, and much of the discussion has focused on his longtime ties to XU and the city of Cincinnati. I don't see him leaving Xavier at this stage.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 24, 2015 21:40:45 GMT -5
Their board has been far more concerned with his potentially leaving for a more lucrative position, and much of the discussion has focused on his longtime ties to XU and the city of Cincinnati. I don't see him leaving Xavier at this stage. Oh, I was thinking about the bald guy from Seton Hall. Always get those two mixed up.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 24, 2015 21:51:50 GMT -5
Got it. Yes, Willard lost the Seton Hall locker room numerous times this past season, but the school won't spend the money on a buyout of his contract.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 25, 2015 8:42:09 GMT -5
It's gonna be tremendous when Huggy Bear beats Calishady while wearing his track suit pajamas this weekend... Isn't he sitting on a stool now too instead of standing on the sideline, an even better use of the track suit. Huggins is great, I raelly want him to beat those guys.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 25, 2015 9:34:29 GMT -5
It's gonna be tremendous when Huggy Bear beats Calishady while wearing his track suit pajamas this weekend... Isn't he sitting on a stool now too instead of standing on the sideline, an even better use of the track suit. Huggins is great, I raelly want him to beat those guys. Have Huggins' players started graduating, or do they still just exhaust their eligibility? Huggins is worse than Calipari. Just as shady, but his players don't graduate (and not because they are going to the NBA). There's the DUI he got and the various legal problems his coaches and players have had. Those were great too. And the cheap shot on Melo Trimble was classic Huggins. (And why you would ever want WVU fans to be happy is beyond me)
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Post by beenaround on Mar 25, 2015 10:02:31 GMT -5
IN response to the comment about Huggins and WVU being happy...unfortunately, sometimes there is the lesser of two evils. I rooted HARD for Huggy to beat the Terps. Further, I find myself in the same boat with the Kentucky game. Awful hard to root for that NBA D League franchise against anyone. SO....yes..I am a Mountaineer this weekend. One more thing..if they play CUse...yep..I would again be a Mountaineer.
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Post by McBricks on Mar 25, 2015 14:46:08 GMT -5
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