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Post by matersammich on Mar 30, 2015 5:18:40 GMT -5
Idk.. What about his background makes him such a terrible hire? Seems like he did pretty descent there his 1st time around. I don’t remember the last time I heard about Depaul making the Tourney let alone winning a game. Lead recruiter at Uconn means he can boast getting a lot of guys in the league, some probably NCAA legends. He landed top talents for Depaul also in Wilson Chandler, Sammy Mejia and Dorrell Wright (signed LOI but opted to go Pro). If he can get some young recruiters on his staff maybe he can do something. Definitely like that defense is his mantra. Don’t remember the last time I saw Depaul play D either Earlier the names being thrown around were exciting. I think that is the big problem. They went from rumors of Howland and the best young coaches like Hurley(s) and Drew. Then they went with the re-tread. People want to believe that DePaul can be great being in Chicago and with a new arena on the way. I suppose at least it's unlikely that Leitao leaves again so if he does succeed they'll get stability.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 30, 2015 7:35:06 GMT -5
How long will Dave Leitao have before getting on the hot seat?
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Post by This Just In on Mar 30, 2015 7:45:08 GMT -5
Tom Izzo is a post season magician. The anti JT3 ha Interesting enough Rick Barnes who was fired by Texas made the tournament 16 of 17 years.. Barnes, 60, went 402-180 during his tenure in Austin. He won three Big 12 regular-season championships and reached the NCAA tournament in each of his first 14 seasons there. Barnes has not made an Sweet 16 since 2008 but that that 1 year more recent than JTIII (2007) and 1 year less than Jay Wright (2009). Rick Barnes need to come to the Big East as he would be able to coach for as long as he wants with his track record and have less pressure to win. Would have Rick Barnes been a coaching upgrade at DePaul?
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Post by PhillyHoya on Mar 30, 2015 8:45:09 GMT -5
Just spent about ten minutes in the chat section of bluedemonsnation.com, communicating with DePaul fans. They are incredulous and disconsolate. They cannot believe this hiring. Seems that the AD has greater juice with the administration than we can imagine. The DePaul board is advocating dropping down to the Summit or Horizon leagues, rather than continue to be embarrassed in the Big East. I didn't tell them that we've been debating that issue ourselves. Pretty much. A coworker of mine was formerly a fundraiser at DePaul and she said Ponsetto will never be fired and confirmed she holds an insane amount of control over goings on there. You have to wonder if Leitao might be a placeholder until their new facilities are done.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 30, 2015 8:59:44 GMT -5
Really disappointing hire by Depaul. Not just a coaching retread, but a retread at the school itself!!! He already had a chance at Depaul and left for grenner pastures, why the heck would you bring him back? I have not even heard his name in other HC jobs. Hurley or Drew would have been very good hires, I can understand Hurley might have wanted big money and had a buyout, but how expensive could Drew be at Valpo? Just very disappointing for the Big East, this is a mid-major type hire.
Can Ackerman call for a vote on Depaul's membership? They are obviously not serious about improving.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 30, 2015 9:50:55 GMT -5
And as many predicted, Billy Garrett Sr. was retained. That insures Billy Garret jr, Myke Henry and Tommie Hamilton will be back. At least they should be half decent next season. Win a battle but lose the war.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 30, 2015 10:00:58 GMT -5
And as many predicted, Billy Garrett Sr. was retained. That insures Billy Garret jr, Myke Henry and Tommie Hamilton will be back. At least they should be half decent next season. Win a battle but lose the war. Have you changed your mind about how Utah plays or do you still believe their in game play is still trash?
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 30, 2015 10:02:45 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 30, 2015 10:39:25 GMT -5
Really disappointing hire by Depaul. Not just a coaching retread, but a retread at the school itself!!! He already had a chance at Depaul and left for grenner pastures, why the heck would you bring him back? I have not even heard his name in other HC jobs. Hurley or Drew would have been very good hires, I can understand Hurley might have wanted big money and had a buyout, but how expensive could Drew be at Valpo? Just very disappointing for the Big East, this is a mid-major type hire. Can Ackerman call for a vote on Depaul's membership? They are obviously not serious about improving. The only logical reason I can come up with is that DePaul did not have actual interest from anybody better, like Hurley or Drew. Let's face it - this is not exactly a high end opening. Otherwise, the hire makes no sense. I suppose they could have done worse, but I was hoping for something better here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 10:54:20 GMT -5
Idk.. What about his background makes him such a terrible hire? Seems like he did pretty descent there his 1st time around. I don’t remember the last time I heard about Depaul making the Tourney let alone winning a game. Lead recruiter at Uconn means he can boast getting a lot of guys in the league, some probably NCAA legends. He landed top talents for Depaul also in Wilson Chandler, Sammy Mejia and Dorrell Wright (signed LOI but opted to go Pro). If he can get some young recruiters on his staff maybe he can do something. Definitely like that defense is his mantra. Don’t remember the last time I saw Depaul play D either Earlier the names being thrown around were exciting. I think that is the big problem. They went from rumors of Howland and the best young coaches like Hurley(s) and Drew. Then they went with the re-tread. People want to believe that DePaul can be great being in Chicago and with a new arena on the way. I suppose at least it's unlikely that Leitao leaves again so if he does succeed they'll get stability. Last time Depaul was good this guy was the coach, and he has a track record of solid recruiting… People are disappointed because his last name isn’t Hurley it seems Not necessarily to you Mitch but a lot of people are complaining the hire is horrible, what about his resume makes it a horrible hire?
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 30, 2015 10:56:22 GMT -5
And as many predicted, Billy Garrett Sr. was retained. That insures Billy Garret jr, Myke Henry and Tommie Hamilton will be back. At least they should be half decent next season. Win a battle but lose the war. Have you changed your mind about how Utah plays or do you still believe their in game play is still trash? Case of mistaken identity. Where did i ever say Utah was trash?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 11:19:35 GMT -5
Interesting enough Rick Barnes who was fired by Texas made the tournament 16 of 17 years.. Barnes, 60, went 402-180 during his tenure in Austin. He won three Big 12 regular-season championships and reached the NCAA tournament in each of his first 14 seasons there. Barnes has not made an Sweet 16 since 2008 but that that 1 year more recent than JTIII (2007) and 1 year less than Jay Wright (2009). Rick Barnes need to come to the Big East as he would be able to coach for as long as he wants with his track record and have less pressure to win. Would have Rick Barnes been a coaching upgrade at DePaul? Texas has a ton of resources that he wouldn’t find at any BE school. Since 2008 they have signed 8 top 20 recruits and 6 Mcdonalds AA’s. Doubtful he will be able to pull that type of talent to Depaul and the results at Texas weren’t great recently considering the money and resources they spend on their program. Why do you think he would be a better hire than who they landed?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 30, 2015 12:43:54 GMT -5
Earlier the names being thrown around were exciting. I think that is the big problem. They went from rumors of Howland and the best young coaches like Hurley(s) and Drew. Then they went with the re-tread. People want to believe that DePaul can be great being in Chicago and with a new arena on the way. I suppose at least it's unlikely that Leitao leaves again so if he does succeed they'll get stability. Last time Depaul was good this guy was the coach, and he has a track record of solid recruiting… People are disappointed because his last name isn’t Hurley it seems Not necessarily to you Mitch but a lot of people are complaining the hire is horrible, what about his resume makes it a horrible hire? It is true that last time DePaul wasn't horrible this guy was the coach, but good might be a stretch. They made the tourney on year, but they were also 30-18 in Conference USA and didn't have a season better than 50 in Pomeroy. Then he went to Virginia and had one good year followed up by two years with a combined 9 ACC wins. He used to be able to recruit, though he's been out of the college recruiting scene for a while now. So that's good. But it's hard to see the upside here unless you think he's improved greatly as a coach. At a superficial level, as a fan, it's hard not to see a Steve Lavin-type here. It also reeks of bad process in the hiring process. Is Leitao somehow the AD's favorite for non-basketball reasons? Did this seem like a real search? Why take someone back who was so eager to leave in the first place? Was DePaul just scared they couldn't get anyone good? Does it feel like they evaluated all their options? It doesn't mean Leitao will be bad. But I can understand the reaction.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 30, 2015 12:53:13 GMT -5
Idk.. What about his background makes him such a terrible hire? Seems like he did pretty descent there his 1st time around. I don’t remember the last time I heard about Depaul making the Tourney let alone winning a game. Lead recruiter at Uconn means he can boast getting a lot of guys in the league, some probably NCAA legends. He landed top talents for Depaul also in Wilson Chandler, Sammy Mejia and Dorrell Wright (signed LOI but opted to go Pro). If he can get some young recruiters on his staff maybe he can do something. Definitely like that defense is his mantra. Don’t remember the last time I saw Depaul play D either Earlier the names being thrown around were exciting. I think that is the big problem. They went from rumors of Howland and the best young coaches like Hurley(s) and Drew. Then they went with the re-tread. People want to believe that DePaul can be great being in Chicago and with a new arena on the way. I suppose at least it's unlikely that Leitao leaves again so if he does succeed they'll get stability. The reality, I think, is that it would have been crazy for one of the Hurleys to take this job. We can quibble on the details, but this is probably one of the five worst jobs in all of major conference college basketball. I say that in terms of recent success, probable budgetary and salary support, slightly more distant success, current facilities, and fan support. If any major college program has an opening, one of the Hurleys is getting a call. They're probably one of the top three or four names on the "doesn't currently have a big-time job" list. Sure, both could regress at their current schools and become less of a hot commodity, so there's a risk to waiting. But if they want a true upper-tier job at some point, there is nothing -- nothing -- that they could do that would be worse than taking a job at a major college program and not winning. And, I'm just facing reality, the odds are overwhelming that this is what would happen at DePaul. Maybe Drew isn't quite the hot commodity that the Hurleys are, but he's close. You have to figure if a Big 10 or Big 12 job opens up in the near future, he's right at the top of the list. I just don't think they realistically had a lot of palatable options.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 30, 2015 12:53:38 GMT -5
It also reeks of bad process in the hiring process. Is Leitao somehow the AD's favorite for non-basketball reasons? Did this seem like a real search? Why take someone back who was so eager to leave in the first place? Was DePaul just scared they couldn't get anyone good? Does it feel like they evaluated all their options? In order: Yes, no, friend of the AD, yes, and no.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 30, 2015 12:56:44 GMT -5
Last time Depaul was good this guy was the coach, and he has a track record of solid recruiting… People are disappointed because his last name isn’t Hurley it seems Not necessarily to you Mitch but a lot of people are complaining the hire is horrible, what about his resume makes it a horrible hire? It is true that last time DePaul wasn't horrible this guy was the coach, but good might be a stretch. They made the tourney on year, but they were also 30-18 in Conference USA and didn't have a season better than 50 in Pomeroy. Then he went to Virginia and had one good year followed up by two years with a combined 9 ACC wins. He used to be able to recruit, though he's been out of the college recruiting scene for a while now. So that's good. But it's hard to see the upside here unless you think he's improved greatly as a coach. At a superficial level, as a fan, it's hard not to see a Steve Lavin-type here. It also reeks of bad process in the hiring process. Is Leitao somehow the AD's favorite for non-basketball reasons? Did this seem like a real search? Why take someone back who was so eager to leave in the first place? Was DePaul just scared they couldn't get anyone good? Does it feel like they evaluated all their options? It doesn't mean Leitao will be bad. But I can understand the reaction. Word in Chicago is that DePaul made offers to both Bobby Hurley and Bryce Drew, conditioned upon their retention of Billy Garrett Sr. on the coaching staff (and hence retention of Billy Garrett Jr. on the roster), and that neither Hurley nor Drew were willing to agree to that condition. Jean Lenti Ponsetto, the athletic director, hired a search firm, and the search firm reportedly recommended both Hurley and Drew ahead of Leitao. However, it looks like DePaul panicked after the initial rejections, and Leitao was happy to grab the offer. This almost looks a bit more like Oliver Purnell 2.0 than Steve Lavin 2.0; Leitao, no youngster, has a five-year contract, which will ensure his financial stability as he approaches retirement. At best, maybe this is a place holder until DePaul moves into its new arena at McCormick Place down the road; of course, by that time, DePaul's basketball program may well devolve into irrelevancy.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 30, 2015 13:18:27 GMT -5
Have you changed your mind about how Utah plays or do you still believe their in game play is still trash? Case of mistaken identity. Where did i ever say Utah was trash? I thought you had created a thread calling SF Austin and Utah trash after seeing their game and stated that if JTIII could not make the Sweet Sixteen this year then you did not know if/when the Hoyas would ever make the Sweet 16. I thought you was that poster and apparently you are not. Please accept my apologizes.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 30, 2015 13:18:32 GMT -5
Crain's Business continues its annual gutting of DePaul attendance figures: "Two of the highest-attended games of the season were the Feb. 28 home finale against Butler (4,756) and the Jan. 31 game against No. 7-ranked Villanova (4,108). The Blue Demons' Dec. 31 game against Marquette also was popular, drawing 4,579 fans. On the low end were early-season nonconference games, which drew between 1,000 and just more than 1,600 fans. The Feb. 3 game against Seton Hall—two days after a massive snowstorm hit Chicago—pulled in only 828 people." www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20150302/BLOGS04/150229828/depaul-hoops-attendance-up-but-way-below-mcpier-projections
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 30, 2015 13:26:55 GMT -5
DePaul can do WAY better than Oliver P...er...wait...um.
I hope that Leitao is very successful, and it seems that he is far from the worst choice for DePaul. Still, I think this situation underscores how difficult a job DePaul has become.
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Post by gujake on Mar 30, 2015 13:29:40 GMT -5
The only logical reason I can come up with is that DePaul did not have actual interest from anybody better, like Hurley or Drew. Let's face it - this is not exactly a high end opening. Otherwise, the hire makes no sense. I suppose they could have done worse, but I was hoping for something better here. Even if Hurley/Drew were not interested, there are about 100 people they should have hired before Leitao. Why not take a chance on a top-level assistant? Or a mid-major coach without the name recognition of Hurley/Drew? Or heck, a D2 coach or something? Leitao is a 55-year old retread with very little upside and whose career has been moving in the wrong direction. He was on nobody's radar. His hiring makes Depaul look like a joke yet again. Just search Twitter for "Depaul" and see what comes up. On their Scout forum a lot of people are saying they won't renew season tickets, and that's pretty amazing considering they can't have too many season ticket holders to begin with. Honestly it really looks like laziness to me. They hired a search firm (lol) to get a few candidates in there, found one to accept, and called it a day.
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