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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 13:37:55 GMT -5
Last time Depaul was good this guy was the coach, and he has a track record of solid recruiting… People are disappointed because his last name isn’t Hurley it seems Not necessarily to you Mitch but a lot of people are complaining the hire is horrible, what about his resume makes it a horrible hire? It is true that last time DePaul wasn't horrible this guy was the coach, but good might be a stretch. They made the tourney on year, but they were also 30-18 in Conference USA and didn't have a season better than 50 in Pomeroy. Then he went to Virginia and had one good year followed up by two years with a combined 9 ACC wins. He used to be able to recruit, though he's been out of the college recruiting scene for a while now. So that's good. But it's hard to see the upside here unless you think he's improved greatly as a coach. At a superficial level, as a fan, it's hard not to see a Steve Lavin-type here. It also reeks of bad process in the hiring process. Is Leitao somehow the AD's favorite for non-basketball reasons? Did this seem like a real search? Why take someone back who was so eager to leave in the first place? Was DePaul just scared they couldn't get anyone good? Does it feel like they evaluated all their options? It doesn't mean Leitao will be bad. But I can understand the reaction. Yeah but they only won 9 games the year before he got to Depaul and had 1 season with more than 12 wins since. He only spent 3 seasons there so it’s hard to judge him on his first year where they went 8-8 in league play and 16-13 overall. His last 2 seasons he was 22-10 in league play 42-21 overall and had 1 Ncaa win and 1 NIT win. Depaul hasn’t even been to an NIT since 2007 (yikes). I guess good is a relative term but it seems at this point any year Depaul makes ANY tourney is a good season for them at this point (Ncaa to CBI) lol. My guess is when he left for UVA the first time Depaul fans were disappointed and probably a little upset by it. UVA was a 8th 9th best team in the ACC around the time he got there. The had a 1st place finish his 2nd year, They returned a lot his 3rd year but for whatever reason the wheels fell off and they disappointed. 4th season was always going to be a rebuild year as they lost the majority of their key players and would rely on youth. Definitely a mixed bag but in that time he managed to land guys like Sylven Landesberg, Mustapha Farrakhan, Jr. and Mike Scott.. Scott got them to back to the tourney his (RS) Senior year and they’ve been every year since except 1. Not sure about his role at Mizzou but Haith’s teams never seem to lack talent.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Mar 30, 2015 13:54:12 GMT -5
No worries, This Just IN. This is a message board and people get confused all the time.
As far as Leitao, I'm with everybody else who says blah. The guy can recruit, i'll give him that, but pretty much an uninspiring hire. The silver lining from the Hoya perspective is the Hardy angle.
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Post by CaliHoya on Mar 30, 2015 16:07:06 GMT -5
I watched some of the DePaul introduction of Leitao and have to admit that he was impressive. He was the first to say that a profile and press conference just satisfy people for a day, but seems really motivated to work hard, recruit better and have maximum effort/defense out of DePaul.
Also of note: Billy Garrett, Sr. is the first addition to his staff, meaning Billy Jr. will be back next year.
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Post by wrestlemania on Mar 31, 2015 13:02:01 GMT -5
I watched some of the DePaul introduction of Leitao and have to admit that he was impressive. He was the first to say that a profile and press conference just satisfy people for a day, but seems really motivated to work hard, recruit better and have maximum effort/defense out of DePaul. Also of note: Billy Garrett, Sr. is the first addition to his staff, meaning Billy Jr. will be back next year. His major selling points are that he is not that expensive and is less likely to jump to a better opportunity than a younger coach on the rise. DePaul does not want to go through this again in three years. But he has a lot of work to do with the fanbase -- they are not happy.
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Post by gujake on Mar 31, 2015 14:35:43 GMT -5
I don't see why Depaul should worry about a young coach jumping. They suck. If someone does a great job and leaves in three years, that's a great outcome for them.
Hopefully Leitao will succeed, but I am highly doubtful.
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Post by This Just In on Apr 1, 2015 8:46:11 GMT -5
Interesting enough Rick Barnes who was fired by Texas made the tournament 16 of 17 years.. Barnes, 60, went 402-180 during his tenure in Austin. He won three Big 12 regular-season championships and reached the NCAA tournament in each of his first 14 seasons there. Barnes has not made an Sweet 16 since 2008 but that that 1 year more recent than JTIII (2007) and 1 year less than Jay Wright (2009). Rick Barnes need to come to the Big East as he would be able to coach for as long as he wants with his track record and have less pressure to win. Would have Rick Barnes been a coaching upgrade at DePaul? Texas has a ton of resources that he wouldn’t find at any BE school. Since 2008 they have signed 8 top 20 recruits and 6 Mcdonalds AA’s. Doubtful he will be able to pull that type of talent to Depaul and the results at Texas weren’t great recently considering the money and resources they spend on their program. Why do you think he would be a better hire than who they landed? I think Rick Barnes is simply a better coach and recruiter than Dave Leitao, and has the track record to back it up over Dave Leitao. Some DePaul fans wonder why people do not take their program serious...Dave Leitao went to 2 NIT's and 1 NCAA in his 3 year theres and he is responsible. Was Dave Leitao on anyone else's head coaching radar?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 10:50:59 GMT -5
Texas has a ton of resources that he wouldn’t find at any BE school. Since 2008 they have signed 8 top 20 recruits and 6 Mcdonalds AA’s. Doubtful he will be able to pull that type of talent to Depaul and the results at Texas weren’t great recently considering the money and resources they spend on their program. Why do you think he would be a better hire than who they landed? I think Rick Barnes is simply a better coach and recruiter than Dave Leitao, and has the track record to back it up over Dave Leitao. Some DePaul fans wonder why people do not take their program serious...Dave Leitao went to 2 NIT's and 1 NCAA in his 3 year theres and he is responsible. Was Dave Leitao on anyone else's head coaching radar? Whether or not he was on anyones radar has 0 to do with whether or not it was a good hire. Depaul won 9 games the year before he got there. Don’t think it’s realistic to assume he would make the tourney his first season. The other 2 they went to the postseason. In the decade since they have played in the Postseason (NIT) exactly 1 time. He had 2 20 win seasons, they have won over 12 games in a year once since he left. He also landed 2 NBA level players (Wilson Chandler, Dorrell Wright) and got another guy drafted (Sammy Mejia) at Depaul in those 3 years. That would also be the last time that happened, Depaul being associated with NBA Talent or landing a top 20 recruit hasn’t happened much in the last 15 years. So maybe he doesn’t have the right last name but the guy has already won and proven he can recruit at Depaul. Finally it’s not realistic, Rick Barnes isn’t picking Depaul over Tennessee. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DePaul_Blue_Demons_men's_basketball
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 1, 2015 12:47:58 GMT -5
It is true that last time DePaul wasn't horrible this guy was the coach, but good might be a stretch. They made the tourney on year, but they were also 30-18 in Conference USA and didn't have a season better than 50 in Pomeroy. Then he went to Virginia and had one good year followed up by two years with a combined 9 ACC wins. He used to be able to recruit, though he's been out of the college recruiting scene for a while now. So that's good. But it's hard to see the upside here unless you think he's improved greatly as a coach. At a superficial level, as a fan, it's hard not to see a Steve Lavin-type here. It also reeks of bad process in the hiring process. Is Leitao somehow the AD's favorite for non-basketball reasons? Did this seem like a real search? Why take someone back who was so eager to leave in the first place? Was DePaul just scared they couldn't get anyone good? Does it feel like they evaluated all their options? It doesn't mean Leitao will be bad. But I can understand the reaction. Yeah but they only won 9 games the year before he got to Depaul and had 1 season with more than 12 wins since. He only spent 3 seasons there so it’s hard to judge him on his first year where they went 8-8 in league play and 16-13 overall. His last 2 seasons he was 22-10 in league play 42-21 overall and had 1 Ncaa win and 1 NIT win. Depaul hasn’t even been to an NIT since 2007 (yikes). I guess good is a relative term but it seems at this point any year Depaul makes ANY tourney is a good season for them at this point (Ncaa to CBI) lol. My guess is when he left for UVA the first time Depaul fans were disappointed and probably a little upset by it. UVA was a 8th 9th best team in the ACC around the time he got there. The had a 1st place finish his 2nd year, They returned a lot his 3rd year but for whatever reason the wheels fell off and they disappointed. 4th season was always going to be a rebuild year as they lost the majority of their key players and would rely on youth. Definitely a mixed bag but in that time he managed to land guys like Sylven Landesberg, Mustapha Farrakhan, Jr. and Mike Scott.. Scott got them to back to the tourney his (RS) Senior year and they’ve been every year since except 1. Not sure about his role at Mizzou but Haith’s teams never seem to lack talent. A Big East program just hired an assistant coach at Tulsa. Good lord. If Commissioner Ackerman is smart she is doing 1 of 2 things right now: 1) figuring out how to add Cincy, UConn, Gonzaga, and VCU to the league, or, if not, 2) sending out resumes.
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Post by This Just In on Apr 1, 2015 13:00:11 GMT -5
I think Rick Barnes is simply a better coach and recruiter than Dave Leitao, and has the track record to back it up over Dave Leitao. Some DePaul fans wonder why people do not take their program serious...Dave Leitao went to 2 NIT's and 1 NCAA in his 3 year theres and he is responsible. Was Dave Leitao on anyone else's head coaching radar? Whether or not he was on anyones radar has 0 to do with whether or not it was a good hire. Depaul won 9 games the year before he got there. Don’t think it’s realistic to assume he would make the tourney his first season. The other 2 they went to the postseason. In the decade since they have played in the Postseason (NIT) exactly 1 time. He had 2 20 win seasons, they have won over 12 games in a year once since he left. He also landed 2 NBA level players (Wilson Chandler, Dorrell Wright) and got another guy drafted (Sammy Mejia) at Depaul in those 3 years. That would also be the last time that happened, Depaul being associated with NBA Talent or landing a top 20 recruit hasn’t happened much in the last 15 years. So maybe he doesn’t have the right last name but the guy has already won and proven he can recruit at Depaul. Finally it’s not realistic, Rick Barnes isn’t picking Depaul over Tennessee. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DePaul_Blue_Demons_men's_basketball The question you originally asked was is Rick Barnes a better hire than Dave Leitao. The answer to that question is yes, Rick Barnes is a better hire than Dave Leitao. DePaul did not even make an attempt to reach out to Barnes when he became available for those couple of days. You can have final say on the matter, and let me ask you this: "Do you believe that Dave Leitao is the best the Blue Demons can do"?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 13:11:24 GMT -5
Yeah but they only won 9 games the year before he got to Depaul and had 1 season with more than 12 wins since. He only spent 3 seasons there so it’s hard to judge him on his first year where they went 8-8 in league play and 16-13 overall. His last 2 seasons he was 22-10 in league play 42-21 overall and had 1 Ncaa win and 1 NIT win. Depaul hasn’t even been to an NIT since 2007 (yikes). I guess good is a relative term but it seems at this point any year Depaul makes ANY tourney is a good season for them at this point (Ncaa to CBI) lol. My guess is when he left for UVA the first time Depaul fans were disappointed and probably a little upset by it. UVA was a 8th 9th best team in the ACC around the time he got there. The had a 1st place finish his 2nd year, They returned a lot his 3rd year but for whatever reason the wheels fell off and they disappointed. 4th season was always going to be a rebuild year as they lost the majority of their key players and would rely on youth. Definitely a mixed bag but in that time he managed to land guys like Sylven Landesberg, Mustapha Farrakhan, Jr. and Mike Scott.. Scott got them to back to the tourney his (RS) Senior year and they’ve been every year since except 1. Not sure about his role at Mizzou but Haith’s teams never seem to lack talent. A Big East program just hired an assistant coach at Tulsa. Good lord. If Commissioner Ackerman is smart she is doing 1 of 2 things right now: 1) figuring out how to add Cincy, UConn, Gonzaga, and VCU to the league, or, if not, 2) sending out resumes. They just re-hired their last successful coach. You’re really on this perception thing it seems…If he turns Depaul around in the next few years will that matter?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 13:23:24 GMT -5
Whether or not he was on anyones radar has 0 to do with whether or not it was a good hire. Depaul won 9 games the year before he got there. Don’t think it’s realistic to assume he would make the tourney his first season. The other 2 they went to the postseason. In the decade since they have played in the Postseason (NIT) exactly 1 time. He had 2 20 win seasons, they have won over 12 games in a year once since he left. He also landed 2 NBA level players (Wilson Chandler, Dorrell Wright) and got another guy drafted (Sammy Mejia) at Depaul in those 3 years. That would also be the last time that happened, Depaul being associated with NBA Talent or landing a top 20 recruit hasn’t happened much in the last 15 years. So maybe he doesn’t have the right last name but the guy has already won and proven he can recruit at Depaul. Finally it’s not realistic, Rick Barnes isn’t picking Depaul over Tennessee. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DePaul_Blue_Demons_men's_basketball The question you originally asked was is Rick Barnes a better hire than Dave Leitao. The answer to that question is yes, Rick Barnes is a better hire than Dave Leitao. DePaul did not even make an attempt to reach out to Barnes when he became available for those couple of days. You can have final say on the matter, and let me ask you this: "Do you believe that Dave Leitao is the best the Blue Demons can do"? Results determine who is the better hire, not Name recognition… So the answer to that question is TBD They guy has already been successful at Depaul and he can recruit Chicago. Depaul believes he’s the right guy and that’s all that matters, we will see.
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Post by bmartin on Apr 1, 2015 13:42:38 GMT -5
My take on DePaul is that they were not going to be able to recruit elite players in the short term no matter who they hired, so they are better off with someone who can coach the level of recruits they can get to play some defense and get some rebounds. They actually shot the ball fairly well this season, 5th in the Big East in eFG% in league play, but they were last in defense and last in offensive rebounding.
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 1, 2015 13:47:26 GMT -5
A Big East program just hired an assistant coach at Tulsa. Good lord. If Commissioner Ackerman is smart she is doing 1 of 2 things right now: 1) figuring out how to add Cincy, UConn, Gonzaga, and VCU to the league, or, if not, 2) sending out resumes. They just re-hired their last successful coach. You’re really on this perception thing it seems…If he turns Depaul around in the next few years will that matter? Of course not. But this a completely indefensible hiring decision by the administration there and tells you everything you need to know about incompetent they are. The odds that this turns out to be a successful hire--meaning NCAA appearances and the beginning of a road back to relevance in the Chicago area--are so long it is crazy. DePaul needed a crazed young Tom Crean or Tim Miles type who would do 15 jobs at once. Bringing back a guy whose coaching career had dead-ended and who already left the school once when brighter lights came along is absolutely the wrong move. Yes, sometimes the wrong moves work out. But very rarely. I hope this one does workout. I'd bet the farm it won't.
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 1, 2015 13:53:58 GMT -5
The question you originally asked was is Rick Barnes a better hire than Dave Leitao. The answer to that question is yes, Rick Barnes is a better hire than Dave Leitao. DePaul did not even make an attempt to reach out to Barnes when he became available for those couple of days. You can have final say on the matter, and let me ask you this: "Do you believe that Dave Leitao is the best the Blue Demons can do"? Results determine who is the better hire, not Name recognition… So the answer to that question is TBD They guy has already been successful at Depaul and he can recruit Chicago. Depaul believes he’s the right guy and that’s all that matters, we will see. Man, are you angling for a job on Leitao's staff? The last time dude was at DePaul was TWO CONFERENCES ago. He had one good season, which he parlayed into a new job--a job in which he failed miserably, returning to the ranks of anonymous assistant. It is clear too that this was the call of the same AD who hired Wainwright and Purnell. How many veteran re-treads can one program hire? DePaul is done. The only question now is which happens first--DePaul leaves the conference or this AD finally gets relieved of her duties.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 14:32:16 GMT -5
They just re-hired their last successful coach. You’re really on this perception thing it seems…If he turns Depaul around in the next few years will that matter? Of course not. But this a completely indefensible hiring decision by the administration there and tells you everything you need to know about incompetent they are. The odds that this turns out to be a successful hire--meaning NCAA appearances and the beginning of a road back to relevance in the Chicago area--are so long it is crazy. DePaul needed a crazed young Tom Crean or Tim Miles type who would do 15 jobs at once. Bringing back a guy whose coaching career had dead-ended and who already left the school once when brighter lights came along is absolutely the wrong move. Yes, sometimes the wrong moves work out. But very rarely. I hope this one does workout. I'd bet the farm it won't. He was able to leave for “Greener Pastures” because he did a Good Job at Depaul the first time. So he has a track record (although brief) of winning at Depaul. Btw Everybody whose name has popped up when discussing Depaul would leave for Greener pastures. Lastly if he did leave, that would mean he probably did a good job this time as well so that would be my last concern. We don’t know if it is the wrong move that will be determined by results not immediate fan reaction
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 14:38:49 GMT -5
Results determine who is the better hire, not Name recognition… So the answer to that question is TBD They guy has already been successful at Depaul and he can recruit Chicago. Depaul believes he’s the right guy and that’s all that matters, we will see. Man, are you angling for a job on Leitao's staff? The last time dude was at DePaul was TWO CONFERENCES ago. He had one good season, which he parlayed into a new job--a job in which he failed miserably, returning to the ranks of anonymous assistant. It is clear too that this was the call of the same AD who hired Wainwright and Purnell. How many veteran re-treads can one program hire? DePaul is done. The only question now is which happens first--DePaul leaves the conference or this AD finally gets relieved of her duties. No I’m just being logical as opposed to throwing a tizzy over who the last place team in the conference, who has one 20 win season in 10 years chose to hire as their next basketball coach… The last time he coached Depaul they had back to back 20 win seasons, so 2 good seasons out of 3. He’s not as horrible a hire as you are trying to make it seem, nor is it the end of mankind if Depaul sucks as they have consistently done since they joined the BE… Give the guy a shot he might be successful
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 1, 2015 14:53:04 GMT -5
Of course not. But this a completely indefensible hiring decision by the administration there and tells you everything you need to know about incompetent they are. The odds that this turns out to be a successful hire--meaning NCAA appearances and the beginning of a road back to relevance in the Chicago area--are so long it is crazy. DePaul needed a crazed young Tom Crean or Tim Miles type who would do 15 jobs at once. Bringing back a guy whose coaching career had dead-ended and who already left the school once when brighter lights came along is absolutely the wrong move. Yes, sometimes the wrong moves work out. But very rarely. I hope this one does workout. I'd bet the farm it won't. He was able to leave for “Greener Pastures” because he did a Good Job at Depaul the first time. So he has a track record (although brief) of winning at Depaul. Btw Everybody whose name has popped up when discussing Depaul would leave for Greener pastures. Lastly if he did leave, that would mean he probably did a good job this time as well so that would be my last concern. We don’t know if it is the wrong move that will be determined by results not immediate fan reaction Of course we don't know what the results will be. But we can certainly argue about the process and the sanity of the decision. Really bad and stupid decisions sometimes turn out having good results because of dumb luck. That doesn't retroactively make them sane decisions backed a good process.
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Post by Big Dog on Apr 1, 2015 14:55:18 GMT -5
Man, are you angling for a job on Leitao's staff? The last time dude was at DePaul was TWO CONFERENCES ago. He had one good season, which he parlayed into a new job--a job in which he failed miserably, returning to the ranks of anonymous assistant. It is clear too that this was the call of the same AD who hired Wainwright and Purnell. How many veteran re-treads can one program hire? DePaul is done. The only question now is which happens first--DePaul leaves the conference or this AD finally gets relieved of her duties. No I’m just being logical as opposed to throwing a tizzy over who the last place team in the conference, who has one 20 win season in 10 years chose to hire as their next basketball coach… The last time he coached Depaul they had back to back 20 win seasons, so 2 good seasons out of 3. He’s not as horrible a hire as you are trying to make it seem, nor is it the end of mankind if Depaul sucks as they have consistently done since they joined the BE… Give the guy a shot he might be successful Don't tell it to me, tell it to the entire Chicago local media (I live here) calling the choice a joke, or to the DePaul fan base on their message boards who are disgusted by this. The decision reflects a major rot in the DePaul ADs office.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 15:01:52 GMT -5
No I’m just being logical as opposed to throwing a tizzy over who the last place team in the conference, who has one 20 win season in 10 years chose to hire as their next basketball coach… The last time he coached Depaul they had back to back 20 win seasons, so 2 good seasons out of 3. He’s not as horrible a hire as you are trying to make it seem, nor is it the end of mankind if Depaul sucks as they have consistently done since they joined the BE… Give the guy a shot he might be successful Don't tell it to me, tell it to the entire Chicago local media (I live here) calling the choice a joke, or to the DePaul fan base on their message boards who are disgusted by this. The decision reflects a major rot in the DePaul ADs office. My advise to them would be to get on board because he’s their guy and howling at the moon isn’t going to help things.. If he can recruit Chicago, he’ll do well. If he can’t, he won’t. His track record says he can, so we will see..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 1, 2015 18:23:11 GMT -5
I agree that this wasn't an inspired decision, and not what I was hoping for. All that being said, I think the doomsday scenarios of irrelevance for the entire Big East based on this single hire are exaggerated. For one, the Big East's success and performance does not depend on DePaul. Let's face it - when the conference was formed they were the bottom-dweller, and somebody needs to lose games. So, it's really not different.
Would a strong DePaul help the conference? Sure, but they are still far from that regardless of who they got as a coach (thinking in terms of reasonable people that would have actually taken the job). Anybody taking the job would face a tough situation.
Lastly, we all care a lot more about DePaul than anybody except DePaul fans. Most of the country - and college basketball fans - couldn't care less about this. Even most of the people in the media will give this very little thought or attention, so the idea that hiring a retread coach is suddenly ruinous to the Big East is overstating the case.
Granted, I am not sure what this says about the leadership of DePaul's athletic department, but we do not have any role in deciding who holds that position.
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