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Post by tashoya on Feb 12, 2015 19:54:25 GMT -5
And you believe that this is a result of JTIII, Smith, Hop and Trawick complaining too much? I think that we get called for fouls a lot on the road because of our Hoya / Paranoia history rather than the play of the actual players that we have. Also, at home I don't think, except for the Villanova game we get the crowd mania that we need. Plus, JTIII doesn't work the refs like other coaches. And we all know who they are. Obviously, home court advantage isn't just the crowd. A quote I just read by the late Jerry Tarkanian, "Nine out of ten teams cheat and the tenth team is in last place." A little something to think about.
Maybe. But also crappy refs and guys calling fouls from positions on the floor that they couldn't possibly be able to clearly see a thing one way or the other. It's egregious.
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Post by SaxaCD on Feb 12, 2015 20:49:15 GMT -5
I think that we get called for fouls a lot on the road because of our Hoya / Paranoia history rather than the play of the actual players that we have. Also, at home I don't think, except for the Villanova game we get the crowd mania that we need. Plus, JTIII doesn't work the refs like other coaches. And we all know who they are. Obviously, home court advantage isn't just the crowd. A quote I just read by the late Jerry Tarkanian, "Nine out of ten teams cheat and the tenth team is in last place." A little something to think about.
Maybe. But also crappy refs and guys calling fouls from positions on the floor that they couldn't possibly be able to clearly see a thing one way or the other. It's egregious. Or because "wow that guy is big!" or "I know I sure couldn't have blocked that shot without fouling, so..."
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Post by tashoya on Feb 12, 2015 20:53:38 GMT -5
Maybe. But also crappy refs and guys calling fouls from positions on the floor that they couldn't possibly be able to clearly see a thing one way or the other. It's egregious. Or because "wow that guy is big!" or "I know I sure couldn't have blocked that shot without fouling, so..." To be fair, I imagine it is difficult to be a ref making calls in real time with a guy like Joshua on the floor. But that is hardly an excuse for many of the calls we've seen this year. And we've had some bizarre and horrendous calls go our way too. Just not nearly as many. Couple that with wild inconsistencies from minute to minute. We're used to seeing that from half to half or game to game but it is completely unpredictable this year from sequence to sequence.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 12, 2015 21:09:53 GMT -5
Well you could either go the Josh smirk route or do basically everything short of throw a punch like Gibbs. It didn't seem to get him or his team in foul trouble in the second half because the refs were fed up with him.
Our guys rarely show displeasure when it's an obvious foul, and we commit a lot of those too (I'm not saying we don't). But it should say something when they react to a Edited-poor call. The problem is ultimately that you are dealing with a group of people who rarely, if ever, are held accountable for being terrible at their jobs. When was the last time you heard of a ref get let go for poor performance? They can do whatever the hell they want (short of making racist comments at well-connected donors) with no repercussions.
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Post by SaxaCD on Feb 12, 2015 21:13:29 GMT -5
Or because "wow that guy is big!" or "I know I sure couldn't have blocked that shot without fouling, so..." To be fair, I imagine it is difficult to be a ref making calls in real time with a guy like Joshua on the floor. But that is hardly an excuse for many of the calls we've seen this year. And we've had some bizarre and horrendous calls go our way too. Just not nearly as many. Couple that with wild inconsistencies from minute to minute. We're used to seeing that from half to half or game to game but it is completely unpredictable this year from sequence to sequence. Yep, the unpredictability is the worst part. How can coaches get teams and players to adjust to how a game is being called like that?
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Post by calhoya on Feb 12, 2015 21:17:06 GMT -5
It seems that every game features at least one very unfair blocking call on Smith. Not an excuse for some of his lazy fouls, but just an observation. Smith plays each game with the fear that he will have a foul within the first 5 minutes and opposing teams go right after him. He is essentially working with a 4 foul limit.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 12, 2015 21:21:50 GMT -5
It seems that every game features at least one very unfair blocking call on Smith. Not an excuse for some of his lazy fouls, but just an observation. Smith plays each game with the fear that he will have a foul within the first 5 minutes and opposing teams go right after him. He is essentially working with a 4 foul limit. True though, more than the "lazy" label, I'd more qualify it as the one foul a game as a result of being winded and not being able to move as well because of it. That leaves a very small margin for error for the rest of the game. One of those he can tighten up on right away but has yet to do so. I get that he doesn't want to blow a defensive assignment because he can't keep up but it's better than the alternative in the context of an entire game. Help D is called help defense for a reason.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 12, 2015 22:06:04 GMT -5
I think that we get called for fouls a lot on the road because of our Hoya / Paranoia history rather than the play of the actual players that we have. Also, at home I don't think, except for the Villanova game we get the crowd mania that we need. Plus, JTIII doesn't work the refs like other coaches. And we all know who they are. Obviously, home court advantage isn't just the crowd. A quote I just read by the late Jerry Tarkanian, "Nine out of ten teams cheat and the tenth team is in last place." A little something to think about.
Maybe. But also crappy refs and guys calling fouls from positions on the floor that they couldn't possibly be able to clearly see a thing one way or the other. It's egregious. Like that foul called on Jabril when he got clobbered on a lay up by 2 seton hall players and got knocked to the ground. Some how a foul was on him. No clue what, best i could come up with was the Seton Hall player tripped over him after he got knocked to the ground, but I think the whistle had blown by then. And who called the foul? Not the ref right in front of the play starring at the action, no it was the ref at half court. SMH.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 12, 2015 22:09:09 GMT -5
Maybe. But also crappy refs and guys calling fouls from positions on the floor that they couldn't possibly be able to clearly see a thing one way or the other. It's egregious. Like that foul called on Jabril when he got clobbered on a lay up by 2 seton hall players and got knocked to the ground. Some how a foul was on him. No clue what, best i could come up with was the Seton Hall player tripped over him after he got knocked to the ground, but I think the whistle had blown by then. And who called the foul? Not the ref right in front of the play starring at the action, no it was the ref at half court. SMH. IIRC, the commentators said Jabril got someone with his leg but, like you said, that would have been after the whistle when he was rolling over onto his back. My favorite one this year was the one when AB got landed on and he got called for a foul, apparently, for not having enough body fat to make for a cushy landing pad.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 12, 2015 22:11:50 GMT -5
To be fair, I imagine it is difficult to be a ref making calls in real time with a guy like Joshua on the floor. But that is hardly an excuse for many of the calls we've seen this year. And we've had some bizarre and horrendous calls go our way too. Just not nearly as many. Couple that with wild inconsistencies from minute to minute. We're used to seeing that from half to half or game to game but it is completely unpredictable this year from sequence to sequence. Yep, the unpredictability is the worst part. How can coaches get teams and players to adjust to how a game is being called like that? It does tend to explain displeasure (to put it kindly) after games on Hoyatalk and the Hoya opponent's board after playing one another. That or almost everyone is just a whiny, know-nothing homer (this could definitely be me). Maybe a bit of both.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 12, 2015 22:15:44 GMT -5
Back to the topic of the thread, I love seeing D'Angelo Harrison pout. I hope the Hoyas make him do it again. I wonder if he shaves a stripe in his brows after each loss to the Hoyas. I haven't been able to count them as of yet.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 12, 2015 22:20:57 GMT -5
Maybe. But also crappy refs and guys calling fouls from positions on the floor that they couldn't possibly be able to clearly see a thing one way or the other. It's egregious. Like that foul called on Jabril when he got clobbered on a lay up by 2 seton hall players and got knocked to the ground. Some how a foul was on him. No clue what, best i could come up with was the Seton Hall player tripped over him after he got knocked to the ground, but I think the whistle had blown by then. And who called the foul? Not the ref right in front of the play starring at the action, no it was the ref at half court. SMH. He was essentially clothesline on that pay.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Feb 12, 2015 22:31:57 GMT -5
Seton Hall somehow got free throws on that Jabril "offensive foul" play too. Just impossibly wrong in every way.
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Post by dense on Feb 12, 2015 23:16:24 GMT -5
Seton Hall somehow got free throws on that Jabril "offensive foul" play too. Just impossibly wrong in every way. It was ruled over the back on the rebound. Laughable call still but it wasn't a player control foul since he essentially fouled him with his leg when there was a blocking foul before on the attempt.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 12, 2015 23:24:19 GMT -5
I know I have seen John Cahill, Big East supervisor of officials, courtside at one of our games. He was texting madly away on his phone. I wonder if he is actually watching any of these games and, if so, there is going to be any effort to improve the level of officiating in the conference I'd have to think not. The worst part is the amazing inconsistency within games and the frequency with which the one ref who is most out of position or cannot possibly see the foul he just imagined is the one that makes the call.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 13, 2015 7:46:17 GMT -5
All one needs to do to understand the terrible quality of refereeing is take a look at the travel/game schedules of these officials.
Phil Martelli asked a few years ago what would be said of a coach who had his team play four games in six nights in four different cities.
I understand that officiating is not playing but the schedules of these officials is a joke. There is no way they are mentally/ physically sharp for this volume of games.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 13, 2015 9:03:53 GMT -5
All one needs to do to understand the terrible quality of refereeing is take a look at the travel/game schedules of these officials. Phil Martelli asked a few years ago what would be said of a coach who had his team play four games in six nights in four different cities. I understand that officiating is not playing but the schedules of these officials is a joke. There is no way they are mentally/ physically sharp for this volume of games. Agreed. People also need to realize these are part-time officials who hold down real jobs. It's not so easy to be calling fouls at 9:00 pm at Seton Hall or Villanova when you're still an assistant principal or a insurance agent in Harrisburg during the day.
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Feb 13, 2015 9:09:43 GMT -5
And it's their second job.
And Cahill is from upstate NY. Screw job.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 13, 2015 9:46:54 GMT -5
Maybe. But also crappy refs and guys calling fouls from positions on the floor that they couldn't possibly be able to clearly see a thing one way or the other. It's egregious. Like that foul called on Jabril when he got clobbered on a lay up by 2 seton hall players and got knocked to the ground. Some how a foul was on him. No clue what, best i could come up with was the Seton Hall player tripped over him after he got knocked to the ground, but I think the whistle had blown by then. And who called the foul? Not the ref right in front of the play starring at the action, no it was the ref at half court. SMH. This is one of my biggest gripes, that too many times the official is out of position to make the call but does so anyway. He just assumes something happened instead of seeing it or allowing one of the other officials in better position to call the foul. None of them want to show up the other so there is rarely any over-ruling or discussion between officials to correct a call either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 9:47:44 GMT -5
I know I have seen John Cahill, Big East supervisor of officials, courtside at one of our games. He was texting madly away on his phone. I wonder if he is actually watching any of these games and, if so, there is going to be any effort to improve the level of officiating in the conference I'd have to think not. The worst part is the amazing inconsistency within games and the frequency with which the one ref who is most out of position or cannot possibly see the foul he just imagined is the one that makes the call. I love that one of the worst refs ever failed upward to become supervisor of officials.
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