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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 29, 2015 13:34:22 GMT -5
Is this possible/likely to happen? Does anybody know if he's played more than is allowable to request a redshirt? I know he's been in street clothes for at least a couple games this year. Just wondering if we should include him in projections for the recruiting class of 2015 if he's essentially going to be a freshman eligibility-wise next season.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 29, 2015 13:52:15 GMT -5
To be eligible for a medical redshirt waiver, a player cannot have played in more than 30% of a school's game, and none after the mid-season point, before suffering a season-ending injury. Mourning has played in four games this season, so he would qualify under the <30% rule, and he has played in no games since the mid-season point, so he would appear to be eligible for the waiver.
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Post by justsaying on Jan 29, 2015 21:47:48 GMT -5
Whether or not redshirt is the case, I'm looking forward to the development of this player for I feel he can provide an element that the team has been missing and that is an inside player who can step outside and hit shots and provide some additional team shot blocking numbers. He is more of the Ameri-Euro hybrid player who has the abilities the mid range; abilities move outside; and with the proper strength conditioning some inside activity. With the little time he has gotten he appeared to be poised and knew what was going on around him. The mental development will not a problem and with the necessary physical development he can become a match up problem; small forwards having problems with him inside; power forwards problems with him away from the basket. I think he may be a very pleasant surprise.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 30, 2015 8:14:44 GMT -5
I am in favor of more players redshirting, and I believe that would be a wise choice for Trey.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 30, 2015 8:37:11 GMT -5
Is this possible/likely to happen? Does anybody know if he's played more than is allowable to request a redshirt? I know he's been in street clothes for at least a couple games this year. Just wondering if we should include him in projections for the recruiting class of 2015 if he's essentially going to be a freshman eligibility-wise next season. Certainly feels like the plan.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 30, 2015 8:57:15 GMT -5
Put on some weight and I think this guy could be the player everyone is sleeping on heading into next year.
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Post by TC on Jan 30, 2015 9:46:16 GMT -5
Why is this board so obsessed with people getting redshirts? Especially a kid most of the board didn't want to give a scholarship to in some bizarre wish to game the system.
I don't get it.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 30, 2015 10:06:51 GMT -5
Why is this board so obsessed with people getting redshirts? Especially a kid most of the board didn't want to give a scholarship to in some bizarre wish to game the system. I don't get it. I personally think red shirting is a good idea for kids who need seasoning, not every kid who gets to college is ready to contribute or are needed to contribute immediately at the college level.. Why waste a year of possible eligibility on limited minutes? Also in the cases of Trey & Hayes they're both very young for their class so why not give them a year to learn? What's the harm in Red shirting kids in certain situations in your eyes?
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Post by TC on Jan 30, 2015 10:24:59 GMT -5
Why waste a year of possible eligibility on limited minutes? Also in the cases of Trey & Hayes they're both very young for their class so why not give them a year to learn? What's the harm in Red shirting kids in certain situations in your eyes? I don't see the payback. Redshirting is always brought up in the cases of kids like Hayes, who was a questionable late depth sign. I just don't see how the extra year helps us - we're in year 3 of Hayes and he's still not good enough to see BIg East minutes. Why is giving him another year a good thing? I don't see how it helps the program at all to keep 5th year players around who don't get minutes. It's of no use to the program to tie up a scholarship like that, and it's really debatable how fair it is to keep a kid around for a fifth year who won't see minutes except in the case of an injury. I can see doing it to help the player get time somewhere else - look at the case of Moses Ayegba - he got an extra year at another school. That is great for him, and I think that's a good use of the redshirt. But Moses would not have seen minutes at GU and had to go somewhere else. The program itself didn't benefit from Moses' redshirt.
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Post by nychoya3 on Jan 30, 2015 10:32:48 GMT -5
I agree with TC. In most cases, the redshirt is a bad idea, based on wishful thinking about a player's development curve. There's a reason that non-medical redshirts are almost unheard of among top tier basketball schools. Unlike in football where scholarships are so plentiful, we only have 13. Tying one up based on a projection is risky because you don't know who the player you'll need to turn down in a few years is because you don't have a spot.
If we redshirt Trey, I'm fine with it. I trust the staff to make that evaluation. But I don't think redshirting should become a regular practice the way some on this board do.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 30, 2015 10:39:19 GMT -5
Why waste a year of possible eligibility on limited minutes? Also in the cases of Trey & Hayes they're both very young for their class so why not give them a year to learn? What's the harm in Red shirting kids in certain situations in your eyes? I don't see the payback. Redshirting is always brought up in the cases of kids like Hayes, who was a questionable late depth sign. I just don't see how the extra year helps us - we're in year 3 of Hayes and he's still not good enough to see BIg East minutes. Why is giving him another year a good thing? I don't see how it helps the program at all to keep 5th year players around who don't get minutes. It's of no use to the program to tie up a scholarship like that, and it's really debatable how fair it is to keep a kid around for a fifth year who won't see minutes except in the case of an injury. I can see doing to help the player - look at the case of Moses Ayegba - he got an extra year at another school. That is great for him, and I think that's a good use of the redshirt. But Moses would not have seen minutes at GU and had to go somewhere else. The program itself didn't benefit from Moses' redshirt. It didn't work out for Moses here but it didn't "tie" up a scholarship either.. He had 4 years @ G'town.. Also there are 13 scholarships and the coach barely plays 10 of them, RS years aren't stopping the staff from recruiting any kid.. How did the RS work out for AB? How did the RS/transfer year work out for Pat Jr? I get what you're saying about Hayes but I wanted him RS'd his freshman year due to the injury he suffered the summer before his 1st year and after that G'town got Smith.. Hayes was destined not to play much his 1st few years..
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 30, 2015 11:07:12 GMT -5
I agree with TC. In most cases, the redshirt is a bad idea, based on wishful thinking about a player's development curve. There's a reason that non-medical redshirts are almost unheard of among top tier basketball schools. Unlike in football where scholarships are so plentiful, we only have 13. Tying one up based on a projection is risky because you don't know who the player you'll need to turn down in a few years is because you don't have a spot.If we redshirt Trey, I'm fine with it. I trust the staff to make that evaluation. But I don't think redshirting should become a regular practice the way some on this board do. This scenario will never happen NYC, the scholarships always work out the way the staff wants it to.. Outside of Hayes & Mourning what other recent player has been mentioned frequently as a RS possibility? I don't think it's a big topic on the board at all..
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Post by prhoya on Jan 30, 2015 12:59:41 GMT -5
One question: does Trey have a scholarship?
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 30, 2015 13:03:06 GMT -5
One question: does Trey have a scholarship? Oh, you do like to stir that pot!
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Post by TC on Jan 30, 2015 14:08:45 GMT -5
Outside of Hayes & Mourning what other recent player has been mentioned frequently as a RS possibility? Are you joking? Mourning Hayes Bowen Ayegba Whittington Cameron Domingo Bolden Adams Sanford Various recruits who never ended up here of all shapes and sizes Some of the posters on this board are like squirrels who would just love to spend all summer storing away redshirt freshman like acorns.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 30, 2015 14:55:02 GMT -5
Are you joking? Mourning Hayes Bowen Ayegba Whittington Cameron Domingo Bolden Adams Sanford Various recruits who never ended up here of all shapes and sizes Some of the posters on this board are like squirrels who would just love to spend all summer storing away redshirt freshman like acorns. Geez TC, I listed Hayes & Mourning to begin with.. Bowen, Whittington, Moses & Adams all had medical issues so the question of whether they would get medical waivers is far different than "development" red shirts. So imo they don't count.. I don't remember any talk about Bolden, who we all knew was gone after his 1st year or Sanford who many of us wanted to see him play more his Sophomore year.. But If you say so I'll take you word for it.. Honestly, I think you're reaching with Domingo & Cameron too..
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Post by michaeldm9 on Feb 11, 2015 8:23:35 GMT -5
I guess no Redshirt.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 11, 2015 8:32:47 GMT -5
Yeah...too bad.
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Post by dense on Feb 11, 2015 8:58:37 GMT -5
Whether he had gotten it or not. I think once he gets some leg strength the sky is the limit for him.
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Post by wnyhoya on Feb 11, 2015 9:05:38 GMT -5
Whether he had gotten it or not. I think once he gets some leg strength the sky is the limit for him. I agree dense. He just looks comfortable out there which is astonishing since he's gotten such little action. Long arms, good looking shot, if he could add some weight and lower body strength he could open up the offense the next couple years at the four or five bc people will have to play him to shoot. Like now when Hop or Josh catch the ball at the top to initiate the offense, half the time the defender sags clogging the lane and preventing cuts. Can't do that with Trey initiating the offense. I'm excited for this kid and think we will all be very glad we took him last year
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