SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 14, 2005 10:37:58 GMT -5
"I don't understand why we don't keep DJ on scholarship and keep Wallace as a walk-on next year. Makes no sense."
There may be an element of rewarding Wallace for following III to Georgetown after he was recruited to go to Priinceton, which I think is eminently fair. Now whether they could have cobbled together a needs-based financial package for Wallace, I have no idea. I don't know what his family circumstances are.
One thing about III's remarks is that there was zero mention of an on-campus arena/convocation center but heavy emphasis on the fact that the program is made up of the people -- players, cheerleaders, band, HHC members, students, HoyaBlue, etc.... I guess a passive way of taking that issue off the radar screen.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 14, 2005 10:41:28 GMT -5
One thing about III's remarks is that there was zero mention of an on-campus arena/convocation center but heavy emphasis on the fact that the program is made up of the people -- players, cheerleaders, band, HHC members, students, HoyaBlue, etc.... I guess a passive way of taking that issue off the radar screen. Not surprising. The reality is, we won't see that on campus arena for a very long time. Maybe when JTIV is the head coach!
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 14, 2005 12:40:41 GMT -5
The reality is, we won't see that on campus arena for a very long time. Maybe when JTIV is the head coach! If so, get used to Bucknell and American as Georgetown's big rivalry games.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Apr 14, 2005 12:50:47 GMT -5
If so, get used to Bucknell and American as Georgetown's big rivalry games. I doubt that.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 14, 2005 13:02:01 GMT -5
You may choose to doubt it, but from an economic standpoint, it is clear that Georgetown puts its flagship program at continuing risk by not investing in basic facilities and choosing to divert considerable sums to off-campus rent to which it cannot long afford. If Georgetown can no longer afford MCI rent, or its future executive leadership simply chooses not to do so, the school will not meet minimum Big East rules on arena size. Then what? Three Georgetown presidents in the 1930's and 1940's passed on basic facilities for major college football at this school, figuring that a downtown stadium would always be a low-effort option; which of course, changed when the next president came along and decided he wasn't going to pay the rent anymore and the program had nothing to fall back on. Let's act now, so that the school does not get to a point when that is even an option.
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 14, 2005 13:05:54 GMT -5
You may choose to doubt it, but from an economic standpoint, it is clear that Georgetown puts its flagship program at continuing risk by not investing in basic facilities and choosing to divert considerable sums to off-campus rent to which it cannot long afford. If Georgetown can no longer afford MCI rent, or its future executive leadership simply chooses not to do so, the school will not meet minimum Big East rules on arena size. Then what? We rent the Smith Center? We rent the Patriot Center? DC Armory? None of them are great options.
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YB
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Post by YB on Apr 14, 2005 13:07:29 GMT -5
Agreed DFW- we MUST think in future terms now, or the hoops program risks the fate of the science programs- lots of potential and certainly hit above their weight, but severely constrained due to lack of facilities.
Don't underestimate that rent, people. It's a real doozy. The MSF, Sci bldg and MSB building are all steps toward it, but the cash should start to be raised now.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Apr 14, 2005 13:07:36 GMT -5
You may choose to doubt it, but from an economic standpoint, it is clear that Georgetown puts its flagship program at continuing risk by not investing in basic facilities and choosing to divert considerable sums to off-campus rent to which it cannot long afford. If Georgetown can no longer afford MCI rent, or its future executive leadership simply chooses not to do so, the school will not meet minimum Big East rules on arena size. Then what? Is it heading down that road, that G'town won't be able to afford MCI? Doesn't MCI gain something by having G'town rent it out? Will winning in the next couple of years change your outlook? Or is it the case,that if we win and we still don't have on on-campus arena, that the future is bleak for the program.
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JimmyHoya
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Post by JimmyHoya on Apr 14, 2005 13:20:02 GMT -5
Cripes, if we lose MCI and have no building, not only will we not have a BE arena, we won't even have a Patriot League one. Not even a freakin' Ivy League one. We're FINISHED.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Apr 14, 2005 13:22:52 GMT -5
But the question is, what would cause us to lose MCI. I don't think MCI would want to force us out, by raising rent so high, do you guys?
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 14, 2005 13:29:05 GMT -5
Let's act now, so that the school does not get to a point when that is even an option. DFW, I support that completely, I just don't think it is going to happen as I view things from afar. Do you think there is a chance to make something happen? If so, let us know how we can help.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 14, 2005 13:30:55 GMT -5
DFW, I support that completely, I just don't think it is going to happen as I view things from afar. Do you think there is a chance to make something happen? If so, let us know how we can help. Last year, a group on this site looked into the creation of an escrow account for donations to go toward McD. They learned through a variety of sources that GU will not move until they receive an 8 figure donation. Unfortunately, they'd rather not raise money on this at this point.
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YB
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Post by YB on Apr 14, 2005 13:32:22 GMT -5
MCI knows they have us over a barrel so they jack up the rent for us substantially. We basically need to sell out MCI to make money.
Would they raise it so high they could force us out? Absolutely. They don't care.
Might it force us to the Patriot Center? yes, but.... they're run by Abe Pollin's group too. So, bad news all around....
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Post by JimmyHoya on Apr 14, 2005 13:34:04 GMT -5
Yeah, untill we can consistently sell out the place so they have to let people in the upper deck, we're pretty much screwed.
And the 'nova and WVU games barely count, considering both schools are in close proximity. Not selling those games out would be embrassing.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Apr 14, 2005 13:42:21 GMT -5
MCI knows they have us over a barrel so they jack up the rent for us substantially. We basically need to sell out MCI to make money. Would they raise it so high they could force us out? Absolutely. They don't care. Might it force us to the Patriot Center? yes, but.... they're run by Abe Pollin's group too. So, bad news all around.... Are you sure about this? MCI wants to force out? Or is this your opinion?
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YB
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Post by YB on Apr 14, 2005 14:01:31 GMT -5
They don't want to necessarily force us out but they certainly want as much as possible from us, and know we have few other options for leverage.
If they ditched us, they could very likely fill those dates with more lucrative things like monster truck rallies.
"SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY......."
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 14, 2005 14:02:48 GMT -5
I don't think MCI would ditch us. They'll make the rent high because they can, but it would make no sense for them to end the thing because then they'd be out of money.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 14, 2005 14:37:46 GMT -5
Yeah, but what if we can't afford that high rent? It's not that they'd purposely ditch us or anything, but we could be forced out unintentionally and I don't think MCI would be too devastated by that.
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YB
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Post by YB on Apr 14, 2005 14:43:41 GMT -5
That's exactly my point. They might not do it unintentionally, but they are already dead-set on charging us top dollar, regardless. Plus, think of this: Let's say we do become successful and draw like the dickens. Then MCI says, oh your rent is too low. Let's negotiate upward.
What's our recourse then? We hit one bad year and the program is sunk.
We need to not be dependent on MCI, it's the only answer.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 15, 2005 0:59:47 GMT -5
I forgot to mention one of the highlights of the banquet for me.
When JT III got his chance to speak one of the things he said was somthing like:
As Pops has said, first you get respect and then you get fear, well the Fear is coming!
I just loved that attitude, confidence and burning desire to bring back the tradition of Georgetown Basketball. It made me feel great and extremely excited about the future of our program.
It also gave me a strong feeling that the Respect and Fear theme should be used on the WE ARE GEORGETOWN shirts next year. ;D
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