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Post by EtomicB on Jan 18, 2018 12:12:00 GMT -5
Very solid is far from great though right? Their skills mesh so well because they're so well coached imo.. St. John's should not be winless in the BE right now, in fairness they do lack depth without Lovette but most of all they lack discipline & structure.. They do have some borderline great players- guys who will play in the NBA and are in the conversation for First Team Big East, All American, and even Player of the Year. Look, it is a classic "chicken or egg" debate, but I always have and always will argue that basketball is a player-dominated sport, and you can win with mediocre coaching and good players much more often than with the opposite. Nova has one player like that, not some.. It's not just Nova either, what about Creighton?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 18, 2018 12:12:59 GMT -5
What about them? They also have far superior talent to the Hoyas, and that has been the case for the last few years.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 18, 2018 12:19:07 GMT -5
They do have some borderline great players- guys who will play in the NBA and are in the conversation for First Team Big East, All American, and even Player of the Year. Look, it is a classic "chicken or egg" debate, but I always have and always will argue that basketball is a player-dominated sport, and you can win with mediocre coaching and good players much more often than with the opposite. Nova has one player like that, not some.. It's not just Nova either, what about Creighton? Nova has a guy projected in the top ten along with another late first/ early second rounder, along with one or more guys who will be in future drafts. Creighton has one or more future pros as well. www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draftwww.tankathon.com/mock_draftAnd I am not saying these particular projections are the best- but it is some indication.
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Post by BigmanU on Jan 18, 2018 12:21:54 GMT -5
Which season? I mentioned two different periods of time. You can let me know what as said however. The Fisher, Wayans & Stokes years.. www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/ncaa/new-recruiting-pitch-has-villanova-back-trackBut that 2011 team lacked those intangibles. They were certainly talented, but something wasn’t right. You could see it when they played. The Wildcats won just four of their last 12 games and then tied a program record for losses a year later by going 13-19. As numerous players transferred out or left early for the NBA, Wright knew it was time for a change. St. John's doesn't have a big with talent also, but I get your general point
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 18, 2018 12:34:17 GMT -5
Nova has one player like that, not some.. It's not just Nova either, what about Creighton? Nova has a guy projected in the top ten along with another late first/ early second rounder, along with one or more guys who will be in future drafts. Creighton has one or more future pros as well. www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draftwww.tankathon.com/mock_draftAnd I am not saying these particular projections are the best- but it is some indication. My bad, you're 100% correct.. Not sure how I forgot about Bridges, too much guard talk I guess.. However even Bridges is a good example if how well players develop at Nova..
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 18, 2018 13:00:26 GMT -5
Nova can play three guards that can all hit open threes, dribble the ball and make plays. They pump fake, take step-backs and can hit the mid-range. We don't have one guard that can do these things. It seems like Maryland consistently lands a local PG that directs their offense. We have been stuck in the bigman mindset since the '80s. The game has evolved and now our program needs to.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 18, 2018 13:19:57 GMT -5
I agree that we need to prioritize guards, but I will still take GOOD traditional bigs if they want to play here.
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Post by vv83 on Jan 18, 2018 14:49:13 GMT -5
Govan and Derrickson are the only guys on our team who would play one minute for VIllanova, and I doubt either would start or even be in the top 6 of their rotation. Tough to win with that big a talent differential, especially when we don't have a single guard who would even sniff the bottom of their scholarship player roster. Maybe mosely or blair could battle gillespie for a few minutes, but Gillespie has played so little that it is hard to judge how good he is.
And I like both Govan and Derrickson. But Villanova is operating at a completely different talent level from us right now. I think there might be more disparity between our talent and Nova's than there is between our talent and a couple of the non conference cupcake teams we played this season. Some of those teams had at least one player who could start for us at guard/wing.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 18, 2018 15:19:46 GMT -5
What's sad is- going through the MEAC gauntlet, every game I felt like the opposing team had a better floor general. A no-name, who could dribble, shoot and pass. Also, the Howard guards schooled us.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 18, 2018 15:54:34 GMT -5
Equipped with athleticism, handles, instincts, feel, bounce, a mid-range game, and the ability rip the nets from long range, the overall impact Pinson had on the court was never in doubt and his best basketball always was in front of him. This fall he transferred to perennial power Simeon Career Academy and the talented lead guard is now the catalyst for one of the most potent attacks in the Midwest once again. His stellar play has secured him recent offers from Georgetown, Memphis, and Dayton with a buzz that Missouri could potentially be joining that mix this week. In a perfect example of this entire process being a marathon and note a race, Pinson serves notice that it’s never where you start but where you finish. He has worked hard, developed, and continued to pay the price while believing in himself. Equipped with a bit of a chip on his shoulder the talented guard is now one of the biggest emerging stories of the current high school season in the Midwest and don’t be surprised to see more schools jumping on his recruiting trail in the coming weeks and deservingly so because the young man has game and he’s only getting better.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 18, 2018 16:12:10 GMT -5
Equipped with athleticism, handles, instincts, feel, bounce, a mid-range game, and the ability rip the nets from long range, the overall impact Pinson had on the court was never in doubt and his best basketball always was in front of him. This fall he transferred to perennial power Simeon Career Academy and the talented lead guard is now the catalyst for one of the most potent attacks in the Midwest once again. His stellar play has secured him recent offers from Georgetown, Memphis, and Dayton with a buzz that Missouri could potentially be joining that mix this week. In a perfect example of this entire process being a marathon and note a race, Pinson serves notice that it’s never where you start but where you finish. He has worked hard, developed, and continued to pay the price while believing in himself. Equipped with a bit of a chip on his shoulder the talented guard is now one of the biggest emerging stories of the current high school season in the Midwest and don’t be surprised to see more schools jumping on his recruiting trail in the coming weeks and deservingly so because the young man has game and he’s only getting better. Both Pinson and Wash would upgrade the athleticism in the program significantly. Pinson seems to be more of the natural PG than Wash, so I guess he would be the preference but if they could find a spot for both of them it would help the Hoyas play in these faster paced games.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 18, 2018 16:48:20 GMT -5
Both Pinson and Wash would upgrade the athleticism in the program significantly. Pinson seems to be more of the natural PG than Wash, so I guess he would be the preference but if they could find a spot for both of them it would help the Hoyas play in these faster paced games. Mulmore was sold to the fanbase as the fastest guard in the program since Iverson...we've seen how far that's gotten him. Pinson and Wash are nice late blooming recruits and I wouldn't be against taking them, but let's call them what they are - Hail Marys that are unlikely to get this program where we all want it to go. We've brought in other late signees like Mulmore, Dickerson, Blair at the guard position in the past couple of years. Do we really want two more unranked guys that are available late in the recruiting season? These types of guys tend to look attractive this time of year because they're 1) available; and 2) seem like they can't be any worse than what we're currently putting on the court. To be good in 2018-2019, we're going to need late recruits with high talent levels like EJ Montgomery, Moses Brown, Jahvon Quinerly, etc. Pinson and Wash are highly unlikely to move the needle significantly for the 2018-2019 season. As such, it almost feels like we'd be better off trying to secure true studs in the 2019 class rather than spend scholarships on more 2-3 stars.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 18, 2018 16:52:57 GMT -5
The Evan Daniels article on Moses Brown was much better than the Adam Zagoria write-up. My hunch is that the hoyas might still be in play. It sounds like kent is out...and who knows with Duke. Ucla and MD are outfront. But I'd think he woulda committed to one of them by now. I'll have much more coming on Moses Brown, but the five-star seven-footer said that his decision is coming soon. Florida State, Maryland and UCLA have gotten visits while Kentucky (John Calipari watched) and Duke have been hanging around but haven't offered. Playing without his five-star point guard Cole Anthony, Brown was missed in positions to score by teammates several times but I liked that he kept plugging away and never got a bad attitude during Archbishop Molloy's loss to DeMatha. He also managed to find ways to be productive and had what I thought was a nice showing going for 21 points, six rebounds and a pair of blocks. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/starting-five-bossi-s-sunday-hoophall-classic-takeawaysThough he could have ended things in the early signing period if he wanted to, Brown wanted more time to look into those who had been involved throughout the process and to see what may happen with Kentucky and Duke. While Brown left open the possibility of taking another visit, it is looking like he'll decide between the Bruins, Terrapins and Seminoles. As Rivals.com sees things, Florida State and UCLA look like they could be the two edging out front. Brown himself isn't giving any hints on which school may be in front but it sounds like taking the time to watch his finalists play this season and look into things more has him comfortable with moving forward in the process. "That's really what my whole purpose is with waiting it out," said Brown. "I just wanted to see how they play, honestly. Now I'm pretty certain on what I want to do. "I feel as if I can play in any system as long as I keep myself open minded and just trust the process." basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/five-star-moses-brown-says-decision-coming-soon
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 16:54:03 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 18, 2018 17:47:42 GMT -5
We lose Mulmore and Dickerson and add McClung, so I would definitely pick up another ball handler. Blair is not that and Mosely too shaky. Promise playing time to any skilled PG recruit, because they will be guaranteed to get it! 🙃
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Post by s4hoyas on Jan 18, 2018 18:08:01 GMT -5
I like his name...but then I liked the last "Xavier" too...don't have handle on how good he is...but IMO the next 3-4 guys we get need to be impact players...not tweeners, combos, development guys, depth guys, etc....gotta strike some gold!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 18, 2018 18:51:08 GMT -5
Both Pinson and Wash would upgrade the athleticism in the program significantly. Pinson seems to be more of the natural PG than Wash, so I guess he would be the preference but if they could find a spot for both of them it would help the Hoyas play in these faster paced games. Mulmore was sold to the fanbase as the fastest guard in the program since Iverson...we've seen how far that's gotten him. Pinson and Wash are nice late blooming recruits and I wouldn't be against taking them, but let's call them what they are - Hail Marys that are unlikely to get this program where we all want it to go. We've brought in other late signees like Mulmore, Dickerson, Blair at the guard position in the past couple of years. Do we really want two more unranked guys that are available late in the recruiting season? These types of guys tend to look attractive this time of year because they're 1) available; and 2) seem like they can't be any worse than what we're currently putting on the court. To be good in 2018-2019, we're going to need late recruits with high talent levels like EJ Montgomery, Moses Brown, Jahvon Quinerly, etc. Pinson and Wash are highly unlikely to move the needle significantly for the 2018-2019 season. As such, it almost feels like we'd be better off trying to secure true studs in the 2019 class rather than spend scholarships on more 2-3 stars. Agreed. We do need another guard for next year, but maybe we can get a serviceable grad transfer and keep the full scholarship for '19
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 18, 2018 19:40:36 GMT -5
Mulmore was sold to the fanbase as the fastest guard in the program since Iverson...we've seen how far that's gotten him. Pinson and Wash are nice late blooming recruits and I wouldn't be against taking them, but let's call them what they are - Hail Marys that are unlikely to get this program where we all want it to go. We've brought in other late signees like Mulmore, Dickerson, Blair at the guard position in the past couple of years. Do we really want two more unranked guys that are available late in the recruiting season? These types of guys tend to look attractive this time of year because they're 1) available; and 2) seem like they can't be any worse than what we're currently putting on the court. To be good in 2018-2019, we're going to need late recruits with high talent levels like EJ Montgomery, Moses Brown, Jahvon Quinerly, etc. Pinson and Wash are highly unlikely to move the needle significantly for the 2018-2019 season. As such, it almost feels like we'd be better off trying to secure true studs in the 2019 class rather than spend scholarships on more 2-3 stars. Agreed. We do need another guard for next year, but maybe we can get a serviceable grad transfer and keep the full scholarship for '19Isn't this how the program ended up with Dickerson? I'm never big on the TTS movement, mainly because I feel like I don't have a choice anyway.. Having said that outside of Dickerson I like the kids the new staff has brought in.. They seem to have a nice eye for good players both for now & potentially down the road..
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 18, 2018 19:43:05 GMT -5
Govan and Derrickson are the only guys on our team who would play one minute for VIllanova, and I doubt either would start or even be in the top 6 of their rotation. Tough to win with that big a talent differential, especially when we don't have a single guard who would even sniff the bottom of their scholarship player roster. Maybe mosely or blair could battle gillespie for a few minutes, but Gillespie has played so little that it is hard to judge how good he is. And I like both Govan and Derrickson. But Villanova is operating at a completely different talent level from us right now. I think there might be more disparity between our talent and Nova's than there is between our talent and a couple of the non conference cupcake teams we played this season. Some of those teams had at least one player who could start for us at guard/wing. You have gotten caught up in the "better team vertex". Jessie is better than Spellman and Marcus is miles better than Pascual(?). You are not taking into consideration the fact that they have better guards setting the table for them and the fact that they are at best 4th option on their team. Trust me their is a reason that Pascual went to Fordham or wherever he went and not straight to a P5 school. He is a role player. Jessie and Spellman is closer but I know for a fact if they switched teams Nova would have repeated last year. Also I believe that Jagan and Booth are comparable if they switched teams.........imo
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 18, 2018 20:29:46 GMT -5
I will take talent with bad coaching way over the opposite. Steve Lavin, come on down.
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