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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 18, 2018 9:01:32 GMT -5
I had higher hopes for Jagan, but he can't seem to avoid the sloppy/lazy passes. His drives to the basket might be more successful if he had a running mate who could hit from outside and keep defenders from sagging into the paint - or if he could jump stop and consistently hit an 8-10 footer.
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Post by BigmanU on Jan 18, 2018 9:09:12 GMT -5
I had higher hopes for Jagan, but he can't seem to avoid the sloppy/lazy passes. His drives to the basket might be more successful if he had a running mate who could hit from outside and keep defenders from sagging into the paint - or if he could jump stop and consistently hit an 8-10 footer. Not disappointed in Jagan. He is a solid rotation wing, but not a point guard. He is forced in a tough spot and all his warts get exposed. Unfortunately his versatility makes him the next best option at the point. A lot of players on this team are forced to play roles they are not naturally slated to play. A solid ball handler would slide everyone to their natural position, so they can make limited mistakes
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 18, 2018 10:08:34 GMT -5
Turnover issue is directly related to a lack of a floor general. I would take a five star PG over a five star C in today's game. I hope last night showed Pat how deficient our guard play is. Nova guards were making shots, the right passes and just playing fundamentally sound basketball.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 18, 2018 10:24:03 GMT -5
Turnover issue is directly related to a lack of a floor general. I would take a five star PG over a five star C in today's game. I hope last night showed Pat how deficient our guard play is. Nova guards were making shots, the right passes and just playing fundamentally sound basketball. Don't you think coaching has a lot to do with Nova's fundamentally sound play? 5 of their top 6 players are averaging over 2 assists per game.. Even when Brunson is off the floor the ball still moves, the spacing is still great and the turnovers are still low.. The program definitely needs more talent in the back court & on the wings but that won't be a guarantee if anything.. Take a look at St. John's, they gave 2 highly regarded kids in their backcourt plus solid players on the wings but yet they don't have a win in conference..
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 18, 2018 10:53:46 GMT -5
Turnover issue is directly related to a lack of a floor general. I would take a five star PG over a five star C in today's game. I hope last night showed Pat how deficient our guard play is. Nova guards were making shots, the right passes and just playing fundamentally sound basketball. Don't you think coaching has a lot to do with Nova's fundamentally sound play? 5 of their top 6 players are averaging over 2 assists per game.. Even when Brunson is off the floor the ball still moves, the spacing is still great and the turnovers are still low.. The program definitely needs more talent in the back court & on the wings but that won't be a guarantee if anything.. Take a look at St. John's, they gave 2 highly regarded kids in their backcourt plus solid players on the wings but yet they don't have a win in conference.. Wright is a fine coach, but the difference between Nova and SJU has waaaaay more to do with talent than it does coaching. They have very solid players whose skills compliment each other at every position. The same cannot be said for SJU or other comparable teams- not even close.
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Post by BigmanU on Jan 18, 2018 10:55:06 GMT -5
Turnover issue is directly related to a lack of a floor general. I would take a five star PG over a five star C in today's game. I hope last night showed Pat how deficient our guard play is. Nova guards were making shots, the right passes and just playing fundamentally sound basketball. Don't you think coaching has a lot to do with Nova's fundamentally sound play? 5 of their top 6 players are averaging over 2 assists per game.. Even when Brunson is off the floor the ball still moves, the spacing is still great and the turnovers are still low.. The program definitely needs more talent in the back court & on the wings but that won't be a guarantee if anything.. Take a look at St. John's, they gave 2 highly regarded kids in their backcourt plus solid players on the wings but yet they don't have a win in conference.. Good players make coaching a lot easier. Do you remember the early Ray & Foye years or Fisher, Stokes & Wayns years.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 18, 2018 10:56:50 GMT -5
I will take talent with bad coaching way over the opposite.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 18, 2018 11:11:59 GMT -5
Turnover issue is directly related to a lack of a floor general. I would take a five star PG over a five star C in today's game. I hope last night showed Pat how deficient our guard play is. Nova guards were making shots, the right passes and just playing fundamentally sound basketball. Don't you think coaching has a lot to do with Nova's fundamentally sound play? 5 of their top 6 players are averaging over 2 assists per game.. Even when Brunson is off the floor the ball still moves, the spacing is still great and the turnovers are still low.. The program definitely needs more talent in the back court & on the wings but that won't be a guarantee if anything.. Take a look at St. John's, they gave 2 highly regarded kids in their backcourt plus solid players on the wings but yet they don't have a win in conference.. StJohns would have a few Ws if they hadn't lost LoVett. Just having one 4* guard makes them competitive in all of there games. We are competitive against most but we will look bad on teams like Nova or Creighton that have 5+ true shooters.....
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 18, 2018 11:12:29 GMT -5
Turnover issue is directly related to a lack of a floor general. I would take a five star PG over a five star C in today's game. I hope last night showed Pat how deficient our guard play is. Nova guards were making shots, the right passes and just playing fundamentally sound basketball. Don't you think coaching has a lot to do with Nova's fundamentally sound play? 5 of their top 6 players are averaging over 2 assists per game.. Even when Brunson is off the floor the ball still moves, the spacing is still great and the turnovers are still low.. The program definitely needs more talent in the back court & on the wings but that won't be a guarantee if anything.. Take a look at St. John's, they gave 2 highly regarded kids in their backcourt plus solid players on the wings but yet they don't have a win in conference.. I was just talking about this, and I am torn. Obviously, recruiting and talent matters. But, I still think I prefer coaching. I think you can turn around the program with the coaching first and then the talent will follow. Not going to beat a dead horse, but it's why I would have preferred others to Ewing. Ewing, of course, can prove us wrong if he can attract the talent. But, I dont think Nova is where they are because of the talent solely or first. Just MO.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 18, 2018 11:13:06 GMT -5
Don't you think coaching has a lot to do with Nova's fundamentally sound play? 5 of their top 6 players are averaging over 2 assists per game.. Even when Brunson is off the floor the ball still moves, the spacing is still great and the turnovers are still low.. The program definitely needs more talent in the back court & on the wings but that won't be a guarantee if anything.. Take a look at St. John's, they gave 2 highly regarded kids in their backcourt plus solid players on the wings but yet they don't have a win in conference.. Wright is a fine coach, but the difference between Nova and SJU has waaaaay more to do with talent than it does coaching. They have very solid players whose skills compliment each other at every position. The same cannot be said for SJU or other comparable teams- not even close. Very solid is far from great though right? Their skills mesh so well because they're so well coached imo.. St. John's should not be winless in the BE right now, in fairness they do lack depth without Lovette but most of all they lack discipline & structure..
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 18, 2018 11:15:12 GMT -5
Don't you think coaching has a lot to do with Nova's fundamentally sound play? 5 of their top 6 players are averaging over 2 assists per game.. Even when Brunson is off the floor the ball still moves, the spacing is still great and the turnovers are still low.. The program definitely needs more talent in the back court & on the wings but that won't be a guarantee if anything.. Take a look at St. John's, they gave 2 highly regarded kids in their backcourt plus solid players on the wings but yet they don't have a win in conference.. StJohns would have a few Ws if they hadn't lost LoVett. Just having one 4* guard makes them competitive in all of there games. We are competitive against most but we will look bad on teams like Nova or Creighton that have 5+ true shooters..... Simons was close to a 5* kid coming out of HS so they have 2 in their backcourt not one..
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 18, 2018 11:24:10 GMT -5
I will take talent with bad coaching way over the opposite. Eight days a week.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 18, 2018 11:25:02 GMT -5
Watching that game last night, it was amazing how much Nova worked as a unit no matter who was on the floor. I dont even remember times when Bridges was or wasnt out there. That being said, Im not as up to speed on recruiting as others here. It's likely that Nova goes 6-8 deep in recruits that we can only dream of right now. But, man, they throttled us.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 18, 2018 11:25:58 GMT -5
I will take talent with bad coaching way over the opposite. Eight days a week. Definitely understand that. But, across the country, competing with 100 schools realistically, its not clear how much talent you are ever going to get.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 18, 2018 11:27:09 GMT -5
Wright is a fine coach, but the difference between Nova and SJU has waaaaay more to do with talent than it does coaching. They have very solid players whose skills compliment each other at every position. The same cannot be said for SJU or other comparable teams- not even close. Very solid is far from great though right? Their skills mesh so well because they're so well coached imo.. St. John's should not be winless in the BE right now, in fairness they do lack depth without Lovette but most of all they lack discipline & structure.. They do have some borderline great players- guys who will play in the NBA and are in the conversation for First Team Big East, All American, and even Player of the Year. Look, it is a classic "chicken or egg" debate, but I always have and always will argue that basketball is a player-dominated sport, and you can win with mediocre coaching and good players much more often than with the opposite.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 18, 2018 11:28:59 GMT -5
Don't you think coaching has a lot to do with Nova's fundamentally sound play? 5 of their top 6 players are averaging over 2 assists per game.. Even when Brunson is off the floor the ball still moves, the spacing is still great and the turnovers are still low.. The program definitely needs more talent in the back court & on the wings but that won't be a guarantee if anything.. Take a look at St. John's, they gave 2 highly regarded kids in their backcourt plus solid players on the wings but yet they don't have a win in conference.. Good players make coaching a lot easier. Do you remember the early Ray & Foye years or Fisher, Stokes & Wayns years. Yes, I do remember and its actually a perfect example of what I'm trying to point out.. Do you remember what Wright said after that losing season?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 18, 2018 11:29:03 GMT -5
Definitely understand that. But, across the country, competing with 100 schools realistically, its not clear how much talent you are ever going to get. I hear you. But, in my respectful opinion, the high school and AAU gyms, campus tours, and living rooms is where success or failure truly is determined. SO hopefully Ewing will get it done there; if not, we are in trouble, even if he turns out to be a great coach.
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Post by BigmanU on Jan 18, 2018 11:40:55 GMT -5
Good players make coaching a lot easier. Do you remember the early Ray & Foye years or Fisher, Stokes & Wayns years. Yes, I do remember and its actually a perfect example of what I'm trying to point out.. Do you remember what Wright said after that losing season? Which season? I mentioned two different periods of time. You can let me know what was said however.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 18, 2018 11:42:49 GMT -5
Very solid is far from great though right? Their skills mesh so well because they're so well coached imo.. St. John's should not be winless in the BE right now, in fairness they do lack depth without Lovette but most of all they lack discipline & structure.. They do have some borderline great players- guys who will play in the NBA and are in the conversation for First Team Big East, All American, and even Player of the Year. Look, it is a classic "chicken or egg" debate, but I always have and always will argue that basketball is a player-dominated sport, and you can win with mediocre coaching and good players much more often than with the opposite. It's definitely a chicken or egg argument for sure. Look at what Holtmann is doing at OSU, as I mentioned in the other thread. But, that's also because at Ohio State, they can afford that gamble and then some. All they have to do is win a little at OSU, and certainly they are going to attract some major talent. It's the most valuable sports school in America.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 18, 2018 12:06:36 GMT -5
Yes, I do remember and its actually a perfect example of what I'm trying to point out.. Do you remember what Wright said after that losing season? Which season? I mentioned two different periods of time. You can let me know what as said however. The Fisher, Wayans & Stokes years.. www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/ncaa/new-recruiting-pitch-has-villanova-back-trackBut that 2011 team lacked those intangibles. They were certainly talented, but something wasn’t right. You could see it when they played. The Wildcats won just four of their last 12 games and then tied a program record for losses a year later by going 13-19. As numerous players transferred out or left early for the NBA, Wright knew it was time for a change.
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