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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 6, 2015 22:52:10 GMT -5
With this kid's confidence and super-quick release he can be deadly.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 6, 2015 22:53:15 GMT -5
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 6, 2015 22:55:25 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Jan 6, 2015 22:58:09 GMT -5
Nicely done MGS. He looked more confident tonight than I've seen him. That has to be a good thing for this squad. Especially if we're going to park DSR at the top of the key and hope for someone to make something happen. He's quick enough to get into the lane and kick. If he can get into the lane and finish from time to time too, that'll open up all sorts of options.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 6, 2015 23:44:02 GMT -5
Thanks tashoya!
I just think Tre is one of these little guards that come along every decade or so who is undaunted by whomever he is playing against. I like his comments in the post game interview the other day: "I am quick too."
I just think he might be special. One to watch.
By the way, I think Coach likes his attitude too.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 7, 2015 0:05:01 GMT -5
If DSR continues to play like tonight, there won't be many road wins this year. There were several times late in the shot clock, he literally ran away from the ball. I know the offense is designed on precision cuts, but In games like tonight the team as a whole especially the freshmen are looking for a leader. He has to demand the ball and take the open three. There have been times when he had an open 3 after the ball had been reversed and he passed on it. It's alright to try to get teammates involved, but in games like these, if he took over and hit the shot the pressure would be lifted from Peak, White,Tre and Copeland. Now when he refuses to take the shot they too become even tighter.
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Post by Just Cos on Jan 7, 2015 0:29:13 GMT -5
Not to make this about DSR but too lazy to look up his last thread and I have to imagine there is already a Tre thread.
I LOVE DSR but I have to admit putting him at PG for his professional development may not be in Georgetown's best interest. DSR is great but quick is not an adjective I would use for him. Moving him to the 2 spot doesn't fix his shooting woes but I am now listening to those that say he may be better served there.
Note I get the size issue and don't have an answer but that may be okay.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 7, 2015 0:50:54 GMT -5
Not to make this about DSR but too lazy to look up his last thread and I have to imagine there is already a Tre thread. I LOVE DSR but I have to admit putting him at PG for his professional development may not be in Georgetown's best interest. DSR is great but quick is not an adjective I would use for him. Moving him to the 2 spot doesn't fix his shooting woes but I am now listening to those that say he may be better served there. Note I get the size issue and don't have an answer but that may be okay. Our offense doesn't need a quick PG. We need one that can handle pressure. On D, however, we do need a quick guard. That role can change from offense to defense and, for what it's worth, how much point did DSR play tonight? The whole team wasn't really moving on offense. The passing, for the most part (after they stopped passing it into the corner for a trap), was quicker but the movement of the guys was worse. And a bunch of guys passed up open looks. Not sure why. My only guess is that they were drilled on the "extra pass" and they did do that. But then the extra pass turned into not shooting the ball.
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Post by Just Cos on Jan 7, 2015 1:07:33 GMT -5
Drilled on extra pass or afraid to shoot open three? My point, and take this as a DSR lover, is that our current offense does better with a fast as lighting guy. That could be anyone but I don't think that is DSR.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 7, 2015 12:07:56 GMT -5
Thanks tashoya! I just think Tre is one of these little guards that come along every decade or so who is undaunted by whomever he is playing against. I like his comments in the post game interview the other day: "I am quick too." I just think he might be special. One to watch. By the way, I think Coach likes his attitude too. Little guard? He's not little.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 7, 2015 20:46:17 GMT -5
HES REALLY GOOD MUCH BETTER THAN PREDICTED from high school but in kenner and later coach said HELL PLAY thats HE WILL PLAY i quess go hoyas go LITTLE tre as opposed to big tres goh oyas
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 7, 2015 21:13:27 GMT -5
I see a bright future for Tre. Heck, he is ahead of Merkel Starks in terms of his development and poise on the court. Remember that guy?
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Post by tashoya on Jan 7, 2015 23:36:00 GMT -5
I see a bright future for Tre. Heck, he is ahead of Merkel Starks in terms of his development and poise on the court. Remember that guy? This being Hoyatalk, I can't believe no one skewered you for the "Merkel" thing. That said, we have less depth right now than when Markel was a freshman. I don't know if it's a fair comparison. That said, I'd still put Markel's shooting ahead of Tre's but Tre's understanding of the offense a bit ahead of Markel's at the same point in their college career. I don't know much of anything but, IMO, it seemed to me that Markel was sometimes Markel's biggest enemy whereas Tre is a bit less stubborn and will do what's asked. There are positives to both personalities but, right now, this team is best served by a young guy that is open to a different role from game to game. If Markel could teach Tre some of his many floaters, that would be very helpful both to Tre and to this offense. I'm biased anyway because I loved Markel's will to win even if it didn't always lead to the best decisions. We don't yet know what Tre will be but I like his effort on D already. So far, it's been more effort than results but that level of effort on D for a freshman isn't easy to match. If only AI could teach him the art of the steal..... He could be a 3 steal a night guy. He's quick enough for that but, for now, he's settling for pressure for the most part. I expect that to develop. His role really is open for his own definition. If he can shoot consistently and can pick up some steals, he'll fight his way into even more minutes because this team isn't there yet in the half court but they can run. If he can help them run, it'll be difficult to keep him off the floor. Against Quette, I was thinking similarly about LJ. I know he's been bringing the ball up more the past few games but he seemed to be playing more "point" than I can recall. Maybe it was the difference between TV and in person somehow but it looked like he was setting things up more than previous games. This team is changing and, hopefully, growing from game to game and it's going to be an interesting year. I think it's going to end well but I also think there's going to be some more growing pains like we had in the Xavier game. Overall, I'm really excited about this team.
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 7, 2015 23:40:32 GMT -5
Thanks tashoya! I just think Tre is one of these little guards that come along every decade or so who is undaunted by whomever he is playing against. I like his comments in the post game interview the other day: "I am quick too." I just think he might be special. One to watch. By the way, I think Coach likes his attitude too. Tre has a bit of Charles Smith in his game.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 8, 2015 8:44:37 GMT -5
I see a bright future for Tre. Heck, he is ahead of Merkel Starks in terms of his development and poise on the court. Remember that guy? This being Hoyatalk, I can't believe no one skewered you for the "Merkel" thing. That said, we have less depth right now than when Markel was a freshman. I don't know if it's a fair comparison. That said, I'd still put Markel's shooting ahead of Tre's but Tre's understanding of the offense a bit ahead of Markel's at the same point in their college career. I don't know much of anything but, IMO, it seemed to me that Markel was sometimes Markel's biggest enemy whereas Tre is a bit less stubborn and will do what's asked. There are positives to both personalities but, right now, this team is best served by a young guy that is open to a different role from game to game. If Markel could teach Tre some of his many floaters, that would be very helpful both to Tre and to this offense. I'm biased anyway because I loved Markel's will to win even if it didn't always lead to the best decisions. We don't yet know what Tre will be but I like his effort on D already. So far, it's been more effort than results but that level of effort on D for a freshman isn't easy to match. If only AI could teach him the art of the steal..... He could be a 3 steal a night guy. He's quick enough for that but, for now, he's settling for pressure for the most part. I expect that to develop. His role really is open for his own definition. If he can shoot consistently and can pick up some steals, he'll fight his way into even more minutes because this team isn't there yet in the half court but they can run. If he can help them run, it'll be difficult to keep him off the floor. Against Quette, I was thinking similarly about LJ. I know he's been bringing the ball up more the past few games but he seemed to be playing more "point" than I can recall. Maybe it was the difference between TV and in person somehow but it looked like he was setting things up more than previous games. This team is changing and, hopefully, growing from game to game and it's going to be an interesting year. I think it's going to end well but I also think there's going to be some more growing pains like we had in the Xavier game. Overall, I'm really excited about this team. I understand your reservation to compare the two, but I've been watching Markel since before he committed as a sophomore and though his skill set was more developed from a younger age, his poise didn't teansfer over from hs and he was unable to showcase his talents until he got into the meat of his second year, even if that early. The things Markel was able to do on the court for us in his final years (shooting, dribbling, passing) were all things that were in his toolbox from the time he was 16/17, but the things he needed to do to maximize those talents and be able to showcase them was to grow mentally and to mature physically. Once he did that he was able to show us Hoya fans why III recruited him and why he was considered the best pg in the area his senior year. Imo, he always had most of the same tools but regressed a bit mentally when transitioning to college and that's why I thinkits pretty obvious that Tre is head and shoulders above him in development than he was as a frosh. Ask many locals, even Markel's jumper was flawless in hs and he easily had range out to 32 feet (I'm not exaggerating), but basketball is a game of confidence and there's something about the bright lights that seems to change players' game, for better (hopefully Reggie, but someone like Jwall) or for worse (think Domingo). But as a previous poster noted, you also have to consider the state of our backcourt in both situations. Maybe going up against Chris and Austin and Jason and Vee (decent defender, was longer and older) everyday in practice killed his confidence coming in.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 8, 2015 9:44:56 GMT -5
Tre is a promising young player and he certainly has earned some more minutes. He is quicker than the other guards and has the confidence to shoot the ball that is sometimes missing. I am still not sold on his shot but he is improving. Even after the past two games he is only shooting 35% from the field and 33% from 3 pt range. The latter is the same as DSR and better than Peak, but I want to see more before determining he is our missing 2nd outside threat. What he can do immediately is take away some of the pressure from DSR and hopefully allow him to play a role similar to last year.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 8, 2015 16:11:46 GMT -5
I see a bright future for Tre. Heck, he is ahead of Merkel Starks in terms of his development and poise on the court. Remember that guy? Merkel Starks and Victor Shomnick were the best one-two punch the Hoyas ever had.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 8, 2015 18:11:32 GMT -5
This being Hoyatalk, I can't believe no one skewered you for the "Merkel" thing. That said, we have less depth right now than when Markel was a freshman. I don't know if it's a fair comparison. That said, I'd still put Markel's shooting ahead of Tre's but Tre's understanding of the offense a bit ahead of Markel's at the same point in their college career. I don't know much of anything but, IMO, it seemed to me that Markel was sometimes Markel's biggest enemy whereas Tre is a bit less stubborn and will do what's asked. There are positives to both personalities but, right now, this team is best served by a young guy that is open to a different role from game to game. If Markel could teach Tre some of his many floaters, that would be very helpful both to Tre and to this offense. I'm biased anyway because I loved Markel's will to win even if it didn't always lead to the best decisions. We don't yet know what Tre will be but I like his effort on D already. So far, it's been more effort than results but that level of effort on D for a freshman isn't easy to match. If only AI could teach him the art of the steal..... He could be a 3 steal a night guy. He's quick enough for that but, for now, he's settling for pressure for the most part. I expect that to develop. His role really is open for his own definition. If he can shoot consistently and can pick up some steals, he'll fight his way into even more minutes because this team isn't there yet in the half court but they can run. If he can help them run, it'll be difficult to keep him off the floor. Against Quette, I was thinking similarly about LJ. I know he's been bringing the ball up more the past few games but he seemed to be playing more "point" than I can recall. Maybe it was the difference between TV and in person somehow but it looked like he was setting things up more than previous games. This team is changing and, hopefully, growing from game to game and it's going to be an interesting year. I think it's going to end well but I also think there's going to be some more growing pains like we had in the Xavier game. Overall, I'm really excited about this team. I understand your reservation to compare the two, but I've been watching Markel since before he committed as a sophomore and though his skill set was more developed from a younger age, his poise didn't teansfer over from hs and he was unable to showcase his talents until he got into the meat of his second year, even if that early. The things Markel was able to do on the court for us in his final years (shooting, dribbling, passing) were all things that were in his toolbox from the time he was 16/17, but the things he needed to do to maximize those talents and be able to showcase them was to grow mentally and to mature physically. Once he did that he was able to show us Hoya fans why III recruited him and why he was considered the best pg in the area his senior year. Imo, he always had most of the same tools but regressed a bit mentally when transitioning to college and that's why I thinkits pretty obvious that Tre is head and shoulders above him in development than he was as a frosh. Ask many locals, even Markel's jumper was flawless in hs and he easily had range out to 32 feet (I'm not exaggerating), but basketball is a game of confidence and there's something about the bright lights that seems to change players' game, for better (hopefully Reggie, but someone like Jwall) or for worse (think Domingo). But as a previous poster noted, you also have to consider the state of our backcourt in both situations. Maybe going up against Chris and Austin and Jason and Vee (decent defender, was longer and older) everyday in practice killed his confidence coming in. Maybe, it's because they don't see the comparison as that far-fetched! Listen I remember Merkel, the first time he set foot on the court. He had a lot of potential but he sputtered his first year. All I am saying is that Tre has more poise when you compare both of them at the same point in their career. keep an eye on Tre. Let's talk at the end of the season.
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Post by rockhoya on Jan 8, 2015 18:34:59 GMT -5
I understand your reservation to compare the two, but I've been watching Markel since before he committed as a sophomore and though his skill set was more developed from a younger age, his poise didn't teansfer over from hs and he was unable to showcase his talents until he got into the meat of his second year, even if that early. The things Markel was able to do on the court for us in his final years (shooting, dribbling, passing) were all things that were in his toolbox from the time he was 16/17, but the things he needed to do to maximize those talents and be able to showcase them was to grow mentally and to mature physically. Once he did that he was able to show us Hoya fans why III recruited him and why he was considered the best pg in the area his senior year. Imo, he always had most of the same tools but regressed a bit mentally when transitioning to college and that's why I thinkits pretty obvious that Tre is head and shoulders above him in development than he was as a frosh. Ask many locals, even Markel's jumper was flawless in hs and he easily had range out to 32 feet (I'm not exaggerating), but basketball is a game of confidence and there's something about the bright lights that seems to change players' game, for better (hopefully Reggie, but someone like Jwall) or for worse (think Domingo). But as a previous poster noted, you also have to consider the state of our backcourt in both situations. Maybe going up against Chris and Austin and Jason and Vee (decent defender, was longer and older) everyday in practice killed his confidence coming in. Maybe, it's because they don't see the comparison as that far-fetched! Listen I remember Merkel, the first time he set foot on the court. He had a lot of potential but he sputtered his first year. All I am saying is that Tre has more poise when you compare both of them at the same point in their career. keep an eye on Tre. Let's talk at the end of the season. We're saying the same thing if I'm not mistaken...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 8, 2015 20:00:37 GMT -5
JTIII saw what Tre can bring. That's why he said Tre would be a contributor this year. He needs to get a little stronger, and develop more discipline at both ends. But he will be exciting, and a significant factor, going forward. No doubt about it.
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