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Post by IDenj on Jun 2, 2016 12:27:09 GMT -5
The more desperate the Big 8/12 becomes to poach teams from the AAC, the more vulnerable UConn may become if no P5 wants them - which is the only way they would even consider bringing their other sports into the Big East. That's why we should care. And every year we hear rumours that expansion is imminent. And that means UConn will be joining a bigger conference to fill in for some school that left for greener passures. Nothing happens. Until it does which is very much up for debate who cares. BE is in a good spot.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 2, 2016 14:23:50 GMT -5
I agree that the conference is in a good position right now. I was just referring to the fact that for those who want to add UConn, conference realignment is relevant since that is the only way it possibly happens.
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Post by IDenj on Jun 2, 2016 17:11:16 GMT -5
Gotcha. We both want the same thing. UConn back in the BE. Big 12 loses OU/Texas, do they even have a conference that could be considered a power 5? If it implodes maybe we are talking the power 4 as the league splinters. UConn has no chance at that point.
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Post by bigelephant on Jun 2, 2016 18:13:39 GMT -5
BC and UConn would both fit well within the conference -- if they are willing to give up on big time football. As Catholics, aren't we supposed to forgive? I suspect they would also be strong adds for the other sports we play. Uconn could just be too big, though. UConn can be forgiven for trying to rescue themselves from being consigned to their current mid-major status. BC, well, that's different. dantesinferno.wikia.com/wiki/Judas_Iscariot "Never Forgive and Never Forget"-Pope John 23rd BC can take a long walk off a short pier!!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 2, 2016 18:14:13 GMT -5
Gotcha. We both want the same thing. UConn back in the BE. Big 12 loses OU/Texas, do they even have a conference that could be considered a power 5? If it implodes maybe we are talking the power 4 as the league splinters. UConn has no chance at that point. Very good question - can the Big 12 be decimated enough to lose any power position.
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 2, 2016 20:52:36 GMT -5
Gotcha. We both want the same thing. UConn back in the BE. Big 12 loses OU/Texas, do they even have a conference that could be considered a power 5? If it implodes maybe we are talking the power 4 as the league splinters. UConn has no chance at that point. Very good question - can the Big 12 be decimated enough to lose any power position. What ever happened to rumor of UCONN joining BE in all sports and sending football to the MAAC? My guess is economics for football won't work but did seem like an interesting option for them.
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Post by TBird41 on Jun 3, 2016 10:07:14 GMT -5
Maybe if the Big 12 breaks up, we can convince Kansas to drop football and join the Big East. They're closer than Wichita State
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Post by njhoya78 on Jun 3, 2016 11:03:18 GMT -5
Does Kansas still really play football? 0-12 last season, 9-51 over the last five seasons, and only eight winning seasons in the last forty years. If they just put eleven blocking dummies out there, would anyone notice?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 3, 2016 11:53:42 GMT -5
If two of Memphis, Houston & SMU go to Big 12, the bball side of the American gets even weaker. That would leave Temple, Cincy & Uconn as the hoops standard bearers. Glad we are not in UConn's shoes.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 3, 2016 12:09:41 GMT -5
Does Kansas still really play football? 0-12 last season, 9-51 over the last five seasons, and only eight winning seasons in the last forty years. If they just put eleven blocking dummies out there, would anyone notice? There's no good reason why Kansas can't be strong in football. Unless your school puts barriers around a program (for another board and another topic) nearly any school can be a competitive program. KU's problem has been coaching - consistent coaching turnover and poor choices dating back to Terry Allen and Mark Mangino, Turner Gill and Charley Weis, who not only took a $19 million buyout from ND, he took $5.6 million more from KU. But they asked for it by hiring him in the first place. College sports is all about coaching.
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 3, 2016 21:42:11 GMT -5
Does Kansas still really play football? 0-12 last season, 9-51 over the last five seasons, and only eight winning seasons in the last forty years. If they just put eleven blocking dummies out there, would anyone notice? There's no good reason why Kansas can't be strong in football. Unless your school puts barriers around a program (for another board and another topic) nearly any school can be a competitive program. KU's problem has been coaching - consistent coaching turnover and poor choices dating back to Terry Allen and Mark Mangino, Turner Gill and Charley Weis, who not only took a $19 million buyout from ND, he took $5.6 million more from KU. But they asked for it by hiring him in the first place. College sports is all about coaching. College sports or just college football is about coaching?
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Post by tashoya on Jun 3, 2016 21:52:12 GMT -5
There's no good reason why Kansas can't be strong in football. Unless your school puts barriers around a program (for another board and another topic) nearly any school can be a competitive program. KU's problem has been coaching - consistent coaching turnover and poor choices dating back to Terry Allen and Mark Mangino, Turner Gill and Charley Weis, who not only took a $19 million buyout from ND, he took $5.6 million more from KU. But they asked for it by hiring him in the first place. College sports is all about coaching. College sports or just college football is about coaching? Last I checked, college football was all about money.
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 3, 2016 21:55:29 GMT -5
College sports or just college football is about coaching? Last I checked, college football was all about money. CFB clearly is driving the bus and we are nowhere on that bus. Was curious on the post about coaching if that only applies to CFB or all sports in college sports.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 3, 2016 21:59:31 GMT -5
Last I checked, college football was all about money. CFB clearly is driving the bus and we are nowhere on that bus. Was curious on the post about coaching if that only applies to CFB or all sports in college sports. And it drives the bus with money. We don't and won't have a solid FB program that generates revenue. Wash, rinse, repeat.
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 3, 2016 22:02:00 GMT -5
CFB clearly is driving the bus and we are nowhere on that bus. Was curious on the post about coaching if that only applies to CFB or all sports in college sports. And it drives the bus with money. We don't and won't have a solid FB program that generates revenue. Wash, rinse, repeat. I hear you 100% but that wasn't my question. Just was on DFW's post about success being directly driven by head coach.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 3, 2016 22:08:57 GMT -5
And it drives the bus with money. We don't and won't have a solid FB program that generates revenue. Wash, rinse, repeat. I hear you 100% but that wasn't my question. Just was on DFW's post about success being directly driven by head coach. I get that. But FB success and, often, BB success is driven by money too. They are sort of inextricable in a lot of ways, unfortunately. Of course there are a handful of phenomenal coaches out there that get the most out of the majority of guys they get in nearly year in and year out. But that's very rare. On the college level, I don't think coaching trumps talent at the elite level programs. When you go below the top 10 or so programs, coaching becomes that much more important because you're not getting the best of the best in terms of recruiting. I don't think that part is that much different across the college sporting landscape.
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 3, 2016 22:16:21 GMT -5
I hear you 100% but that wasn't my question. Just was on DFW's post about success being directly driven by head coach. I get that. But FB success and, often, BB success is driven by money too. They are sort of inextricable in a lot of ways, unfortunately. Of course there are a handful of phenomenal coaches out there that get the most out of the majority of guys they get in nearly year in and year out. But that's very rare. On the college level, I don't think coaching trumps talent at the elite level programs. When you go below the top 10 or so programs, coaching becomes that much more important because you're not getting the best of the best in terms of recruiting. I don't think that part is that much different across the college sporting landscape. I'll ask this as we spend all of our budget on basketball to compete with the big programs. Maybe we don't spend as much as some of the larger state schools but we certainly try to compete with the top tier programs - we are a top 10 program in budget. I think that is a good thing. However, this board continues to apologize for the million reasons we can't compete with the top programs and should be happy with what we get. As if we had any self confidence in the only program we fund to compete were to hold itself to a certain return would be a crazy idea as we just need to apologize and think this is the best we can do. Until we get past that we'll be locked up in this debate forever.
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Post by beenaround on Jun 3, 2016 22:18:15 GMT -5
"Coaching" in college includes bringing in the elite talent.
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Post by eagle54 on Jun 3, 2016 22:24:56 GMT -5
"Coaching" in college includes bringing in the elite talent. Couldn't agree more and that's part of the job. You own the group you coach.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 4, 2016 0:06:38 GMT -5
However, this board continues to apologize for the million reasons we can't compete with the top programs and should be happy with what we get. eagle, the thing is, I don't think that's true (though you've called me an apologist in the past). Is there anybody that was really happy with last year? I don't think so. And I don't think anybody here would be happy with many more of those seasons. Do I think our program can be great? Yes, I do. We can certainly be a lot better than last year or 2014. I think all of us would agree that another season like 2015-2016 would be pretty unacceptable. And, at this point there won't be any coaching changes for next season, so I think all of us should (hopefully) agree that the best we can look forward to now is better success given our new players, assistants, and possibly new offensive and defensive strategy. Now, I do think there are certain factors affecting Georgetown that are barriers to success, but Villanova's example proves that they can be overcome to a large extent. Whether Villanova's success last year is a once in 30 year type of result or it continues is to be determined, but I certainly think that level of success is possible. All that being said, the problem is that monetary expenditure doesn't always correlate to college sports results. So, making all decisions through that prism alone can lead to some bad (or at the very least, ill advised) decision making. I would also note that while JT3 might be in or near the top 10 in salary, I am pretty sure we are not in the top 10 when it comes to revenue and expenditures. Schools like Texas have enormous edges when it comes to finances, even if that is not reflected entirely in salary. Keep in mind that some of the expenditures attributed to football at places like Texas can indirectly help basketball too. It is very easy to play with sports accounting in college budgets, too, so all numbers need to be taken with a grain of salt. I think all of us agree we want to win and we want to win soon.
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