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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 20, 2014 22:21:24 GMT -5
We are lucky to have escaped with our shirts in this game. You could clearly see the momentum shift and the confidence on the Charlotte's players faces. That second half was almost a melt-down. I am not sure what happened with the dynamics of our team in the second half, but we did not stretch our defense to take away the three. We have to do a better job--at least a hand in the face. In some cases their shooters were wide open with no defender within ten feet. I believe we have some shooters from downtown on our team. We need to keep the confidence that we can hit those shots. I am a little concerned about DSR and his shooting woes. Man, do we need him to find his groove.
All in all, I am happy we squeaked out the win. Am I feeling good going into this match up with Indiana? No.
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Post by NCHoya on Dec 20, 2014 22:47:11 GMT -5
Completely agree. If anything Charlotte is much more battled tested with 3 games in OT and a RPI in the low 40s which speaks to a tough schedule. I think some have an inflated opinion of this team that relies very heavily on freshmen to win. If you are looking for consistency from freshmen, then you are in for a long season. You get the highs (in the first 30 minutes) with the lows (last 10 minutes). There is a reason before this game the Hoyas were in the RPI 80 range, we have not beaten anyone. Honestly its the exact opposite. I recognize that every game for this team is big because I see us as a bubble team right now. I think your description is a bit amusing when it comes to Charlotte though. They are a team that also relies heavily on their freshman. Gtown has played close games against Wisconsin, Kansas, Butler, and Florida. I would say we are just as much battle tested as they are. Look maybe I am over exaggerating a bit w/the cupcake comment but we dominated this team for 32 minutes and no one is going to tell me this is an elite charlotte team. They have won 3 of their last 8 and all those wins against +200 RPI teams. Yes they may find plenty of success against the pitiful conference USA but sorry no one is going to tell me we played a top 50-60 team today. Its just not accurate. True, I should not have written that UNCC was more battle tested, that was an in the moment type of thing, and incorrect. However, my real point was this is arguably the Hoyas best win of the season, since UF has yet to accomplish anything of note this season. Have the Hoyas played a few top teams tough? Sure, but I do not see how that is enough to justify the thinking we should have man-handled UNCC, especially when plagued with foul problems. Before this win against #46 UNCC, we had not beaten a top 100 team (Florida finally snuck in to #98 with their win vs Wake today). The Hoyas have a long way to go to be considered NCAA worthy, hopefully the case starts to get stronger with a win against Indiana.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 20, 2014 22:56:56 GMT -5
Do people regularly use their fire extinguishers when there isn't a fire? Depends, when I was working in a business where small fires happened, we tested the fire extinguisher once a month. That sounds about right.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 20, 2014 23:22:50 GMT -5
Some thoughts: - That officiating team should be sent back to high school. The game was fairly cleanly played, and they turned it into a foul fest. They all but fouled out both frontcourts, and about 50% of the calls were terrible "oh, someone must have fouled" crap. If you can't call better than that, you have no business calling a game.
- The Hoyas have given up 74% on FTs so far this year -- 330th in D-I. Charlotte sucks at FTs, and they shot 73%. Studies have shown it's not crowd noise and mostly competition and luck, but man, I hope this turns soon.
- This Georgetown team is turning in a lot of "Anti-Georgetown" games. III's teams have generally outshot the opposition, and the weaknesses have generally been more on generating FTs, or rebounding or TOs. This team won this game by simply generating more opportunities through offensive rebounding and winning the turnover battles, which was good, because they didn't shoot well and Charlotte did. We won this game on the offensive boards! When can we say that?
- The rebounding was a team effort across the board, but kudos to Jabril particularly for a double double. Pretty darn good game from Jabril.
- II feel like Josh Smith's net +/- this game was about +4 billion. The offense struggled quite a bit with him out, and he played very well on defense when they weren't calling him for bullEdited calls.
- The 7-0 run in the first half was a microcosm of previous seasons' struggles. It was fueled by four turnovers by the Hoyas and Hopkins giving up an offensive rebound on an opponent missed FT. Plus we tried to press and got destroyed immediately. We only got two shots off in that stretch, I think.
- The collapse in the second half was completely different. Some of the items are fixable: getting back on transition D, not leaving three-point shooters to help. Some are fixable but less likely to get fixed: the big men not committing so many fouls. The big concern for me is the fourth factor that led to losing the lead: a complete inability to make a shot. We had a ton of open opportunities. Yes, we settled for too many threes, but we also missed about six layups in the stretch and just couldn't convert. There's still time for certain players to come around, but man, it looks like we may simply not be a good shooting team this year.
- DSR needs to simply start shooting every open shot. I think he'll find out that it will work. In the meantime, though, that's the Peak I want to see every game. It was great to see him attack, even against the zone.
- We won this game on the boards. I'm still not sure I believe it.
- We shot 77% from the line.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 20, 2014 23:39:25 GMT -5
On a totally unrelated matter... Did anyone see the Kentucky-UCLA halftime score? 41-7!!!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 21, 2014 0:22:46 GMT -5
Hoyas played well for the majority of the game. Down the stretch the Hoyas just failed to execute. We settled for open 2 pt jumpers that we failed to hit. We shouldn't be settling for those shots, but even when we do we should've hit more of them than we did. They were open. On defense we over helped too much which often happens. It will kill us against Indiana, so this was good practice.
We're not a terrible 3pt shooting team. Nor are we terrible at defending the 3. Overall we shoot 34.6% from 3. We only give up 31.4% from 3 below the D1 average. In fact if you look at it game by game we've allowed: 31.6%, 28.6%, 28.0%, 26.1%(Florida), 37.5%(Wisconsin), 28.6%(Butler), 0%, 58.8% (Kansas), 27.3%, and 38.1%(Charlotte). So we've only given up good 3pt shooting in 3 of our games.
Offensively from 3 we have Bowen at 57.1% (4-7), Trawick at 53.8% (7-13), White 52.6% (10-19), Copeland at 44.4% (4-9), Peak 32% (8-25), DSR 27.3% (12-44), Cameron 29.4% (5-17), Campbell 22.2 % (4-18). So we have 4 guys hitting at great rates in very low attempts and then some guys with a lot more attempts dragging down the numbers. I firmly believe DSR will bounce back. Campbell probably should shoot less. Trawick definitely and perhaps Copeland and Bowen should shoot more.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 21, 2014 1:48:26 GMT -5
Hoyas played well for the majority of the game. Down the stretch the Hoyas just failed to execute. We settled for open 2 pt jumpers that we failed to hit. We shouldn't be settling for those shots, but even when we do we should've hit more of them than we did. They were open. On defense we over helped too much which often happens. It will kill us against Indiana, so this was good practice. We're not a terrible 3pt shooting team. Nor are we terrible at defending the 3. Overall we shoot 34.6% from 3. We only give up 31.4% from 3 below the D1 average. In fact if you look at it game by game we've allowed: 31.6%, 28.6%, 28.0%, 26.1%(Florida), 37.5%(Wisconsin), 28.6%(Butler), 0%, 58.8% (Kansas), 27.3%, and 38.1%(Charlotte). So we've only given up good 3pt shooting in 3 of our games. Offensively from 3 we have Bowen at 57.1% (4-7), Trawick at 53.8% (7-13), White 52.6% (10-19), Copeland at 44.4% (4-9), Peak 32% (8-25), DSR 27.3% (12-44), Cameron 29.4% (5-17), Campbell 22.2 % (4-18). So we have 4 guys hitting at great rates in very low attempts and then some guys with a lot more attempts dragging down the numbers. I firmly believe DSR will bounce back. Campbell probably should shoot less. Trawick definitely and perhaps Copeland and Bowen should shoot more. I agree completely. Now, let's go and get it done against Indiana.
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Post by aristides on Dec 21, 2014 7:25:14 GMT -5
Hoyas played well for the majority of the game. Down the stretch the Hoyas just failed to execute. We settled for open 2 pt jumpers that we failed to hit. We shouldn't be settling for those shots, but even when we do we should've hit more of them than we did. They were open. On defense we over helped too much which often happens. It will kill us against Indiana, so this was good practice. We're not a terrible 3pt shooting team. Nor are we terrible at defending the 3. Overall we shoot 34.6% from 3. We only give up 31.4% from 3 below the D1 average. In fact if you look at it game by game we've allowed: 31.6%, 28.6%, 28.0%, 26.1%(Florida), 37.5%(Wisconsin), 28.6%(Butler), 0%, 58.8% (Kansas), 27.3%, and 38.1%(Charlotte). So we've only given up good 3pt shooting in 3 of our games. Offensively from 3 we have Bowen at 57.1% (4-7), Trawick at 53.8% (7-13), White 52.6% (10-19), Copeland at 44.4% (4-9), Peak 32% (8-25), DSR 27.3% (12-44), Cameron 29.4% (5-17), Campbell 22.2 % (4-18). So we have 4 guys hitting at great rates in very low attempts and then some guys with a lot more attempts dragging down the numbers. I firmly believe DSR will bounce back. Campbell probably should shoot less. Trawick definitely and perhaps Copeland and Bowen should shoot more. If anyone had said at the start of the season that Bowen should shoot more 3's, I would have called them nuts. I suspect it's a small sample size but I have to admit that I'm no longer throwing my remote at the tv every time Bowen attempts a 3. He's a smart player and is really picking his spots for when to shoot and it's paying off.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 21, 2014 8:19:42 GMT -5
Also who won the Mascot Scrimmage?
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Post by calhoya on Dec 21, 2014 8:58:44 GMT -5
Hoyas played well for the majority of the game. Down the stretch the Hoyas just failed to execute. We settled for open 2 pt jumpers that we failed to hit. We shouldn't be settling for those shots, but even when we do we should've hit more of them than we did. They were open. On defense we over helped too much which often happens. It will kill us against Indiana, so this was good practice. We're not a terrible 3pt shooting team. Nor are we terrible at defending the 3. Overall we shoot 34.6% from 3. We only give up 31.4% from 3 below the D1 average. In fact if you look at it game by game we've allowed: 31.6%, 28.6%, 28.0%, 26.1%(Florida), 37.5%(Wisconsin), 28.6%(Butler), 0%, 58.8% (Kansas), 27.3%, and 38.1%(Charlotte). So we've only given up good 3pt shooting in 3 of our games. Offensively from 3 we have Bowen at 57.1% (4-7), Trawick at 53.8% (7-13), White 52.6% (10-19), Copeland at 44.4% (4-9), Peak 32% (8-25), DSR 27.3% (12-44), Cameron 29.4% (5-17), Campbell 22.2 % (4-18). So we have 4 guys hitting at great rates in very low attempts and then some guys with a lot more attempts dragging down the numbers. I firmly believe DSR will bounce back. Campbell probably should shoot less. Trawick definitely and perhaps Copeland and Bowen should shoot more. If anyone had said at the start of the season that Bowen should shoot more 3's, I would have called them nuts. I suspect it's a small sample size but I have to admit that I'm no longer throwing my remote at the tv every time Bowen attempts a 3. He's a smart player and is really picking his spots for when to shoot and it's paying off. For Bowen the improved 3 point accuracy ssems to be a matter of getting set and getting an open look. As for our percentage yesterday from 3 pt range the numbers are deceiving. The issue is not the percentage of shots we made but the percentage we took. The team started passing up open looks and instead became obsessed with pushing inside. This is fine when your bigs are getting the ball with some room to shoot, but Charlotte played a tough zone and collapsed on Smith each time he touched the ball. His foul trouble, combined with Hopkins general ineffectiveness on offense and some unfortunate misses by Peak, Copeland and Trawick, were major problems with the strategy. Also, why Smith continues to try to put the ball on the floor is beyond me. He surrenders the advantage of being a 6'10" monster and is much easier for smaller players to strip. Copeland was active and a number of our shots in the lane just did not fall. Had a few of these gone in the drama is much less and the game would have felt differently at the end. Good to have this experience now though as it is almost certainly not the last time the Hoyas are trying to hold a lead in the last minute. Final comment on the game involves the unfortunate and incredibly poor deal the Hoyas have with the Verizon Center and the Wizards. Saturday morning before Christmas against anyone not relatively local seems like an obvious box office disaster. Although the crowd got up for the last minute or two, it was mostly like playing in an empty cavern.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 21, 2014 10:24:17 GMT -5
Bad Hopkins
Yesterday's numbers: 1 of 3 FGs, 0 of 2 FTs, 2 rbs, 1 stl, 0 blks, 4 PFs in 21 minutes!! Hayes: 0 FGAs, 0 FTAs, 2rbs, 0 PFs in 3 minutes.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 21, 2014 10:53:42 GMT -5
Calhoya you are exactly right about Aaron - when he shoots in rhythm in the flow of the offense he is pretty good. His problem in the past has been falling in love with the 3 after hitting a couple, then trying to force shots or shoot too quickly.
He had a solid game - but he HAS to stop leaving his man wide open for a 3 because he slides off to help elsewhere. He has to be a better judge of how far he can roam but still get back out in time.
And what cojones on the foul line. Especially for a guy shooting 39% from the line.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 21, 2014 11:05:55 GMT -5
I think the staff got in everyone's ear on concentration at the line. Jabril noticeably took more time to set himself. So maybe it's the start of a trend at the line.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 21, 2014 11:40:44 GMT -5
Bad Hopkins Yesterday's numbers: 1 of 3 FGs, 0 of 2 FTs, 2 rbs, 1 stl, 0 blks, 4 PFs in 21 minutes!! Hayes: 0 FGAs, 0 FTAs, 2rbs, 0 PFs in 3 minutes. Not trying to start the discussion about him but didn't Hayes have an assist? He had one nice pass out of the post to a wide open Copeland (or so I thought). Not a good game for Hopkins at all. Their front court was a handfull though, hopefully it isn't a sign of things to come against better big men.
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Post by PhillyHoya on Dec 21, 2014 11:57:36 GMT -5
Also who won the Mascot Scrimmage? The bird mascots won 2-0. Would've been 4-0 but Referee Bieds said their last shot was after the buzzer.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 21, 2014 12:08:07 GMT -5
hmmm whew just whew hung on GO HOYAS MOVE ON BEAT INDIANA yup merry christmas THEN beat Indiana Must win one by one by at lEAST one and have some fun. Close whew
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 21, 2014 12:22:09 GMT -5
DSR didn't have a good game. A lot of people are emphasizing his passing up three point shots, but I would argue equally bad (and probably worse) is his tendency toward taking long 2 point jump shots. The team as a whole has been taking way too many of these jump shots, often only a foot or two in front of the three point line. These shots are really killing us. The stretch of awfulness began when Hayes was in the game. I'm skeptical that he can really contribute much of anything at this point, but I suppose we will probably find out. The half-court offense needs a lot of work, and our defense must get tighter. It's frustrating that things fell apart, but we did have decisive control of the game for about the first 30 minutes.But hey, a win is a win. Just like we basically get no credit for a one possession loss to Wisconsin, nobody will care in March that we only won by three points. My bigger concern is the team getting into shape to beat the better Big East teams. What turned the momentum was when Hayes came in the game and was counterproductive on both offense and defense. We were headed for a double digit blowout and let them back into the game. For that faction that thinks that JTIII has a low IQ for not playing Hayes, this is the cost of what is going to happen (close games and loses) when giving developmental players time at non garbage time points of the game.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 21, 2014 12:35:59 GMT -5
I think the staff got in everyone's ear on concentration at the line. Jabril noticeably took more time to set himself. So maybe it's the start of a trend at the line. This. Josh has better form too. He stuck to the line and follow-thru instead of going backwards while the ball is in the air.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 21, 2014 12:48:14 GMT -5
DSR didn't have a good game. A lot of people are emphasizing his passing up three point shots, but I would argue equally bad (and probably worse) is his tendency toward taking long 2 point jump shots. The team as a whole has been taking way too many of these jump shots, often only a foot or two in front of the three point line. These shots are really killing us. The stretch of awfulness began when Hayes was in the game. I'm skeptical that he can really contribute much of anything at this point, but I suppose we will probably find out. The half-court offense needs a lot of work, and our defense must get tighter. It's frustrating that things fell apart, but we did have decisive control of the game for about the first 30 minutes.But hey, a win is a win. Just like we basically get no credit for a one possession loss to Wisconsin, nobody will care in March that we only won by three points. My bigger concern is the team getting into shape to beat the better Big East teams. What turned the momentum was when Hayes came in the game and was counterproductive on both offense and defense. We were headed for a double digit blowout and let them back into the game. For that faction that thinks that JTIII has a low IQ for not playing Hayes, this is the cost of what is going to happen (close games and loses) when giving developmental players time at non garbage time points of the game. Really? 3 minutes cost us the lead? Ridiculous! Was Hayes covering the perimeter during those 3 minutes? Charlotte's center scored an acrobatic hook over Hayes while falling backwards. Also, in those 3 minutes, Hayes didn't send anyone to the FT line with stupid fouls (that may have been because Charlotte was faking inside to set up the open 3s because that play was there to take advantage of). That was it inside. In offense, the other players did not feed him and that is the way they are playing with Hops too. So that's a wash. In the last few games, we've gone away from feeding Hops and letting him create. It's a turnover waiting to happen. Hops is not getting fed inside (like before) unless it's a wide-open look under the basket (like White did). Hopefully, Hops turns it around like Brian "Cream Puff" Zoubek, but for now it is what it is.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 21, 2014 12:56:46 GMT -5
No one is calling JT3 out on low IQ for how he uses Hayes... Some of us do realize that he WILL get PT in clutch situations, even if none of us want him to and I'm sure after yesterday III recognizes it as well. Its just being practical to get him run since he will be NEEDED. Obviously I'd rather have Copeland somehow transform into someone who can defend a 5 but its not happening this year.
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