mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 20, 2014 15:39:17 GMT -5
I can almost guarantee that Hayes will have to play some minutes against Novas seeing as Syracuse has had 3 bigs foul out while playing a zone designed to protect against fouling.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 20, 2014 15:48:49 GMT -5
I can almost guarantee that Hayes will have to play some minutes against Novas seeing as Syracuse has had 3 bigs foul out while playing a zone designed to protect against fouling. Which is no source of comfort at this stage.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 20, 2014 15:57:10 GMT -5
I can almost guarantee that Hayes will have to play some minutes against Novas seeing as Syracuse has had 3 bigs foul out while playing a zone designed to protect against fouling. Agree. I don't agree with JT3 not doing more to prepare for this. Ok..Hayes. It is crunch time and we are counting on you. Good luck!"
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 20, 2014 16:02:47 GMT -5
Well, at least the Hayes Hoya Talk board is getting a little more creative. Now the discussion is how coach hasn't adequately prepared Hayes to come into games when Smith and Hop can't avoid getting 10 fouls. I think we have more issues to deal with than that....
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 20, 2014 16:06:37 GMT -5
It doesn't matter what Vegas says. This is a top 100 or so team at a time where we have a marginal home court advantage. Look at Nova struggling with a pretty bad Syracuse team. No team in the top 100-150 should be a 14 pt underdog to us, imo. We are hardly a proven juggernaut. Completely agree. If anything Charlotte is much more battled tested with 3 games in OT and a RPI in the low 40s which speaks to a tough schedule. I think some have an inflated opinion of this team that relies very heavily on freshmen to win. If you are looking for consistency from freshmen, then you are in for a long season. You get the highs (in the first 30 minutes) with the lows (last 10 minutes). There is a reason before this game the Hoyas were in the RPI 80 range, we have not beaten anyone. Honestly its the exact opposite. I recognize that every game for this team is big because I see us as a bubble team right now. I think your description is a bit amusing when it comes to Charlotte though. They are a team that also relies heavily on their freshman. Gtown has played close games against Wisconsin, Kansas, Butler, and Florida. I would say we are just as much battle tested as they are. Look maybe I am over exaggerating a bit w/the cupcake comment but we dominated this team for 32 minutes and no one is going to tell me this is an elite charlotte team. They have won 3 of their last 8 and all those wins against +200 RPI teams. Yes they may find plenty of success against the pitiful conference USA but sorry no one is going to tell me we played a top 50-60 team today. Its just not accurate.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 20, 2014 16:07:13 GMT -5
Well, at least the Hayes Hoya Talk board is getting a little more creative. Now the discussion is how coach hasn't adequately prepared Hayes to come into games when Smith and Hop can't avoid getting 10 fouls. I think we have more issues to deal with than that.... I mean the team was playing pretty well until we were forced to go with Hayes. Unless you want to talk about DSR getting out of his slump or decision making which can always be improved not much else to talk about.
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Post by FLHoya on Dec 20, 2014 16:10:43 GMT -5
I kind of think we're reading a little too much into that comeback. Charlotte got hot at the right time in the game and almost stole one. But for the entirety of the 40 minutes, the Hoyas were the better team. We were a willing participant in that comeback though. If a team starts bombing 25 footers, that's one thing. Charlotte during their final comeback could reliably get the same open look--usually a corner three--off similar action. Three pointers aren't the simplest thing in the world, and they're a fickle thing sometimes, but there's something to be said for a team being able to play in their comfort zone, and that's what they had over the final 8 minutes or so. On the flip side, I bet Charlotte's coach would give anything to go back to noon today and just play 2-3 zone the entire game. I tweeted at halftime that the second half would come down to: does Charlotte play the defense that totally vexed us, or every other one that was awful.
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Post by FLHoya on Dec 20, 2014 16:12:31 GMT -5
I mean the team was playing pretty well until we were forced to go with Hayes. Unless you want to talk about DSR getting out of his slump or decision making which can always be improved not much else to talk about. We can decide whether to name the Hoyatalk award Bradley Hayes is winning this year after Moses Ayegba or Vee Sanford.
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Post by gingineer49 on Dec 20, 2014 16:20:02 GMT -5
Good game.
Lucky to get away with the foul and travel on the inbounds with 8.6 left.
Being a 2nd half team has been our M.O. all season. A season ago with the bruising and homecooking seen in the first half we would have lost by 40.
Josh Smith is a good flopper. You'd think the low center of gravity would hold him back in that regard.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 20, 2014 16:21:43 GMT -5
Completely agree. If anything Charlotte is much more battled tested with 3 games in OT and a RPI in the low 40s which speaks to a tough schedule. I think some have an inflated opinion of this team that relies very heavily on freshmen to win. If you are looking for consistency from freshmen, then you are in for a long season. You get the highs (in the first 30 minutes) with the lows (last 10 minutes). There is a reason before this game the Hoyas were in the RPI 80 range, we have not beaten anyone. Honestly its the exact opposite. I recognize that every game for this team is big because I see us as a bubble team right now. I think your description is a bit amusing when it comes to Charlotte though. They are a team that also relies heavily on their freshman. Gtown has played close games against Wisconsin, Kansas, Butler, and Florida. I would say we are just as much battle tested as they are. Look maybe I am over exaggerating a bit w/the cupcake comment but we dominated this team for 32 minutes and no one is going to tell me this is an elite charlotte team. They have won 3 of their last 8 and all those wins against +200 RPI teams. Yes they may find plenty of success against the pitiful conference USA but sorry no one is going to tell me we played a top 50-60 team today. Its just not accurate. I dont think they are a top 50-60 team, but i do think they are a top 100 or so team. I hear what you are saying. Im not happy with the way we played. But, honestly, 3-4 years ago, I might have been annoyed. Now, not so much. The gap has really closed in CBB and let's face it, we arent an elite team either and we've had spells like this more often than not lately. I thought we'd win this one by 5-10 points. It's not like we had a huge home court crowd.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 20, 2014 17:00:37 GMT -5
A few thoughts:
(1) We win comfortably if DSR makes just a couple more shots. He was 4-11 and 1-4 from three. Nearly all of the 11 were good shots. For sure, this is a trend, and it's fair to be concerned. But when you beat a decent team when your best player is not playing at his best, that's a good sign. Obviously, we ultimately don't go far if DSR doesn't step it up. But sometimes you can over-analyze games like these.
(2) I liked the use of pressure when Bowen was on the court. I thought we ran effectively off of turnovers and a handful of rebounds. Really liked the pace in the first half. And at least at the end of the second half, they weren't missing, so running wasn't going to happen. We didn't press much, though, and when we did, I think it was about a draw (one turnover, a couple "easily break the pressures," and one easy layup).
(3) Our pick and roll defense is pitiful. To me, that's the big takeaway from this game. Charlotte was good at it; they ran the high screen and their guard was good at getting past the two high defenders. They then patiently moved the ball around waiting for the defense to fail to rotate. And we inevitably did fail to rotate. But the key is to keep the ball-handler from getting past the initial defenders, thus necessitating rotation. We failed to do that successfully over and over, whether we switched, hedged, or showed (and we tried all three). We're going to keep seeing that over and over again until we show we can stop it. When Josh is in there, I get the issue. But it shouldn't be an issue when he's not.
(4) Peak still over-commits trying to rip down, where his help isn't needed on the front side of the play. Led to two of the open threes.
(5) They really took away Josh in the second half. Basically doubling him when he didn't have the ball, so that wasn't an option. The right play against a zone there is to bring the ball to Josh's side (thus drawing the extra player), and then quickly rotate it, setting up a 3-2 on the other side of the court and either a three or a drive. At the end of the game, that's what we were doing most of the time, but they just weren't going in.
(6) When you have the 3-2, though, you can't settle for the long two! We shoot way too many. In fact, I think Ike took one very early in the shot clock toward the beginning of UNCC's run, which is why we didn't see him late in the game as much. DSR's game is partially built around that shot, and I get it from him. But otherwise, we need to cut that out as much as possible.
(7) For everyone saying, "Charlotte isn't that good," or similar sentiments, well, OK. They aren't an elite team. But they are a top 100 team in virtually any metric and, thus, by definition, a dangerous team. This was a good win. There's no argument. We beat a team that almost surely will end up in the top 75 of the RPI and, if we're lucky, the top 50. Any time you beat a team of that caliber -- ugly, pretty, or by forfeit -- it's a good win.
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Post by harlemhoya on Dec 20, 2014 17:10:53 GMT -5
Bradley Hayes? What the hell happened to this board.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 20, 2014 18:20:17 GMT -5
It isn't a Hoya game without an intensive exploration, with commentary, as to the coach's usage of the third-string center.
You mean they don't have these discussions on other boards?
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 20, 2014 18:34:28 GMT -5
These criticisms about people commenting about the 3rd center are ridiculous.
Is is pretty simple. Do you expect the 3rd string center to be required to play due to foul trouble from Hop or Smith? If yes, has he been sufficiently prepared?
These are valid comments
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Post by tashoya on Dec 20, 2014 18:46:48 GMT -5
Do people regularly use their fire extinguishers when there isn't a fire?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 20, 2014 18:57:45 GMT -5
Good game. Lucky to get away with the foul and travel on the inbounds with 8.6 left. Being a 2nd half team has been our M.O. all season. A season ago with the bruising and homecooking seen in the first half we would have lost by 40. Josh Smith is a good flopper. You'd think the low center of gravity would hold him back in that regard. On the other hand, Josh gets shoved and hacked every single time he touches the ball; maybe one in ten is called. And your point guard, #1, pushed off with his off hand at least 15 times today without a single call. So please take your whining back to your own board.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 20, 2014 19:01:26 GMT -5
Why the hell isn't White in the gane down the stretch? Was asking myself the same thing. I know we had foul trouble....but White and Peak need to be there in the end. Luckily ....Aaron hit his FT's. Not exactly a formula we want to rely on.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 20, 2014 19:44:04 GMT -5
Good game. Lucky to get away with the foul and travel on the inbounds with 8.6 left. Being a 2nd half team has been our M.O. all season. A season ago with the bruising and homecooking seen in the first half we would have lost by 40. Josh Smith is a good flopper. You'd think the low center of gravity would hold him back in that regard. On the other hand, Josh gets shoved and hacked every single time he touches the ball; maybe one in ten is called. And your point guard, #1, pushed off with his off hand at least 15 times today without a single call. So please take your whining back to your own board. Plus, where's the "thank you" for the gift of so many open looks from 3?
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Post by aristides on Dec 20, 2014 19:56:52 GMT -5
First off, to the sweet little lady who handed me those free tickets as I stepped up to the box office, they were awesome seats. Thanks very much!
I sat behind DSR's brother who at one point yelled at DSR to keep talking. Doesn't surprise me that DSR is a little too quiet out on the floor, he seems soft-spoken. Too exciting a game at the end! They just could never quite put Charlotte away. Peak and Bowen with ice water in their veins... I really liked Bowen's game today. Trawick really battled out there. Even though he was in foul trouble, I feel like Smith's defense has improved dramatically from where he was at the start of the season. He's still a sub-par defender for his size but he's getting better. I'll take the win and hope they play better against IU.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 20, 2014 21:03:20 GMT -5
Do people regularly use their fire extinguishers when there isn't a fire? Depends, when I was working in a business where small fires happened, we tested the fire extinguisher once a month.
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