mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 20, 2014 14:21:59 GMT -5
This is the first game that is tight this year other than when we played high major teams. This team has had a killer insticnt this year, till today. no, they don't. they lost close to Wisconsin, butler and Kansas. charlotte is not a good team and they let them almost steal this game because of laziness. I wouldn't call it laziness. I think there are occasional mental lapses that give them easy points. We need to work on our zone offense and try to get shots earlier in the shot clock. We beat them in transition and fast break points and for once this is a JTIII team that is at it's best when they're pushing the pace. Our perimeter shooting needs work too. Maybe we're more talented this year, but we've had much bigger blow-outs this year than in years past. It's not about "killer instinct", it's about execution on both ends of the floor which we have not been good at so far this year. We need to execute for a full 40 mins.
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Post by 3xhoya on Dec 20, 2014 14:22:39 GMT -5
This is the first game that is tight this year other than when we played high major teams. This team has had a killer insticnt this year, till today. no, they don't. they lost close to Wisconsin, butler and Kansas. charlotte is not a good team and they let them almost steal this game because of laziness. I will restate it this way against the cupcakes this years team has taken care of business and won by big margins. This is something we have not seen in years past. I originally said we did not do this against high major teams. I was referring to past years teams tendencies to play down to the opponent. Today was the first day we saw this.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 20, 2014 14:23:10 GMT -5
Peak bailed us out. 18 points, clutch FTs.
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 20, 2014 14:24:08 GMT -5
I really expected this type of game. This is no cupcake and its a tough game to have at this time of year. We won. That's what matters. You may have expected this type of game but it was a cupcake. We were 14 point favorites. It doesn't matter what Vegas says. This is a top 100 or so team at a time where we have a marginal home court advantage. Look at Nova struggling with a pretty bad Syracuse team. No team in the top 100-150 should be a 14 pt underdog to us, imo. We are hardly a proven juggernaut.
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Post by dripple on Dec 20, 2014 14:28:09 GMT -5
reminder that Charlotte beat 31 ranked on kempom South carolina this year. i repeat, this team isnt good, but it deffo wasnt a cupcake.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 20, 2014 14:29:01 GMT -5
DSR didn't have a good game. A lot of people are emphasizing his passing up three point shots, but I would argue equally bad (and probably worse) is his tendency toward taking long 2 point jump shots. The team as a whole has been taking way too many of these jump shots, often only a foot or two in front of the three point line. These shots are really killing us.
The stretch of awfulness began when Hayes was in the game. I'm skeptical that he can really contribute much of anything at this point, but I suppose we will probably find out. The half-court offense needs a lot of work, and our defense must get tighter. It's frustrating that things fell apart, but we did have decisive control of the game for about the first 30 minutes.
But hey, a win is a win. Just like we basically get no credit for a one possession loss to Wisconsin, nobody will care in March that we only won by three points. My bigger concern is the team getting into shape to beat the better Big East teams.
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Post by NCHoya on Dec 20, 2014 14:32:09 GMT -5
So one of the two early season issues we had was corrected. FTs. We won the game because two guys, not named DSR, stepped up and knocked down 4 of 4 FTs in high pressure situations.
The second issue almost cost us this game, perimeter defensive rotations. So many open 3s for Charlotte. III did tell them what to do, but I also would have liked to see White in the 2nd half more often. Not sure what that was about?
I was happy to see Trawick played well and it looks like LJ is becoming a more consistent force.
And finally, let's not pretend foul trouble was not a huge problem. That run Charlotte goes on does not happen if either Hop or Smith are in the game. The drop-off in rebounding and interior defense is so big without either of those two on the court. And of course, the DSR foul trouble led to putting in Campbell who is not ready to play on defense. Both teams had to deal with it, but it was a big factor for Charlotte's comeback. We have depth but it is not anywhere near the level many think.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 20, 2014 14:33:23 GMT -5
Really an ugly win after collapses at the end of both halves. It was apparent down the stretch that there is no one on this team right now with the confidence to take the outside shot in a tight game. DSR and Jabril passed up several and those two and Peak and Bowen forced a lot into the middle and just came up short on contested shots. Great FT shooting won this game for the Hoyas. When was the last time you could make that statement? I believe that you are correct in that DSR clearly has a "crisis of confidence" right now. This used to be the type of game that he would take over at one point, hit a few contested shots to expand a lead, and control the pace of the game. We really aren't seeing that from him right now, and if we don't start seeing that soon, we will either (a) need a player to step up on a regular basis, or (b) struggle to hang on against teams with whom we should not be struggling. I didn't have a problem with Peak or Bowen driving the lane in the closing minutes; the shot selection may have left a little to be desired, but I liked the aggressiveness in going to the hoop. We had gotten away from that, and against a team that was in foul trouble with their big men, we played into their hands. Using White at the elbow against the zone, and Jabril driving the lane and then passing out to an open Hoya, was the way to go, and we did much better offensively in the half-court game when we did that. Why did we get away from that in the final ten minutes? Good question. Charlotte is going to be a good team in C-USA, and I will not be surprised if they are in the NCAA tournament.
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 20, 2014 14:37:43 GMT -5
DSR didn't have a good game. A lot of people are emphasizing his passing up three point shots, but I would argue equally bad (and probably worse) is his tendency toward taking long 2 point jump shots. The team as a whole has been taking way too many of these jump shots, often only a foot or two in front of the three point line. These shots are really killing us. The stretch of awfulness began when Hayes was in the game. I'm skeptical that he can really contribute much of anything at this point, but I suppose we will probably find out. The half-court offense needs a lot of work, and our defense must get tighter. It's frustrating that things fell apart, but we did have decisive control of the game for about the first 30 minutes. But hey, a win is a win. Just like we basically get no credit for a one possession loss to Wisconsin, nobody will care in March that we only won by three points. My bigger concern is the team getting into shape to beat the better Big East teams. I think Hayes really struggled in the zone offense. III has the big post up but I suspect his teammates don't trust him in that role so he hardly got the ball down there. I do remember a nice kick-out to White for a 3 I think. I could see a lot of teams throwing a zone at us, packing the lane and daring us to shoot from deep. Our perimeter players have to have confidence in that shot, especially our veteran guys DSR and Trawick.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Dec 20, 2014 14:38:21 GMT -5
You may have expected this type of game but it was a cupcake. We were 14 point favorites. It doesn't matter what Vegas says. This is a top 100 or so team at a time where we have a marginal home court advantage. Look at Nova struggling with a pretty bad Syracuse team. No team in the top 100-150 should be a 14 pt underdog to us, imo. We are hardly a proven juggernaut. Completely agree. If anything Charlotte is much more battled tested with 3 games in OT and a RPI in the low 40s which speaks to a tough schedule. I think some have an inflated opinion of this team that relies very heavily on freshmen to win. If you are looking for consistency from freshmen, then you are in for a long season. You get the highs (in the first 30 minutes) with the lows (last 10 minutes). There is a reason before this game the Hoyas were in the RPI 80 range, we have not beaten anyone.
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Post by NCHoya on Dec 20, 2014 14:45:20 GMT -5
DSR didn't have a good game. A lot of people are emphasizing his passing up three point shots, but I would argue equally bad (and probably worse) is his tendency toward taking long 2 point jump shots. The team as a whole has been taking way too many of these jump shots, often only a foot or two in front of the three point line. These shots are really killing us. The stretch of awfulness began when Hayes was in the game. I'm skeptical that he can really contribute much of anything at this point, but I suppose we will probably find out. The half-court offense needs a lot of work, and our defense must get tighter. It's frustrating that things fell apart, but we did have decisive control of the game for about the first 30 minutes. But hey, a win is a win. Just like we basically get no credit for a one possession loss to Wisconsin, nobody will care in March that we only won by three points. My bigger concern is the team getting into shape to beat the better Big East teams. I think Hayes really struggled in the zone offense. III has the big post up but I suspect his teammates don't trust him in that role so he hardly got the ball down there. I do remember a nice kick-out to White for a 3 I think. I could see a lot of teams throwing a zone at us, packing the lane and daring us to shoot from deep. Our perimeter players have to have confidence in that shot, especially our veteran guys DSR and Trawick. Totally agree, I hope this ends all the chatter about Hayes ever seeing the court again. He was such a nonfactor on offense and such a poor defensive player, it is hard to watch. I wish it was not the case, but it is, no one should ever ask again why he does not see the court. This was not a cupcake team, and we all saw what happened. I think our best offense against a zone is inside-out with Josh Smith on the block. Since he had extended foul trouble, we struggled today.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 20, 2014 14:48:14 GMT -5
If we don't argue about the merits of more playing time for Hayes, what is left for us to discuss?
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 20, 2014 14:49:04 GMT -5
I kind of think we're reading a little too much into that comeback. Charlotte got hot at the right time in the game and almost stole one. But for the entirety of the 40 minutes, the Hoyas were the better team.
DSR needs to flip the selfish switch right now. It looks like he's overthinking his role instead of letting it fly whenever he has a look. He's still effective but the team needs him to take open looks early.
Great job at the line to close out a good opponent during the December lull. On to Indiana.
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Post by FrostbackHoya on Dec 20, 2014 14:59:51 GMT -5
Giga, if you're going to be reasonable, lurking is going to stop being fun... Merry Christmas to all.
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 20, 2014 15:01:26 GMT -5
I kind of think we're reading a little too much into that comeback. Charlotte got hot at the right time in the game and almost stole one. But for the entirety of the 40 minutes, the Hoyas were the better team. DSR needs to flip the selfish switch right now. It looks like he's overthinking his role instead of letting it fly whenever he has a look. He's still effective but the team needs him to take open looks early. Great job at the line to close out a good opponent during the December lull. On to Indiana. Seems this is the way Charlotte plays though. They've had a couple of slow starts and seem to turn it on a bit late in the game. They've been able to win some close ones that way and almost stole one against us here. We've let a couple of games slip away against better teams so if anything it's good to see us not let this one get away.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Dec 20, 2014 15:03:52 GMT -5
I kind of think we're reading a little too much into that comeback. Charlotte got hot at the right time in the game and almost stole one. But for the entirety of the 40 minutes, the Hoyas were the better team. DSR needs to flip the selfish switch right now. It looks like he's overthinking his role instead of letting it fly whenever he has a look. He's still effective but the team needs him to take open looks early. Great job at the line to close out a good opponent during the December lull. On to Indiana. Yeah, you could see that run coming because we were maintaining the lead but we weren't getting stops. Seems weird, but a late 50-40 lead seems way more comfortable than a late 70-60 lead.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 20, 2014 15:05:03 GMT -5
Totally agree, I hope this ends all the chatter about Hayes ever seeing the court again. He was such a nonfactor on offense and such a poor defensive player, it is hard to watch. I wish it was not the case, but it is, no one should ever ask again why he does not see the court. This was not a cupcake team, and we all saw what happened. I think our best offense against a zone is inside-out with Josh Smith on the block. Since he had extended foul trouble, we struggled today. I don't think it will. If anything, it shows that Hayes does need more work but not that he shouldn't be getting PT. I guarantee this won't be the last game where both Hopkins and Josh are in foul trouble. I doubt he will be winning any games for us but he will be getting 1-4+ minutes in crunch time. We need to find a way to integrate him for a minute at a time so that 1) we can get him in the game in the first half, slowing down foul trouble on Hop/Josh and 2) when he HAS to be on the floor due to late foul trouble, the other players are somewhat comfortable with him. Earlier in the year I was fine limiting his minutes because we were integrating the freshman but at this point, unless we put Copeland at the 5 for short stretches, Hayes will get a few crucial minutes in important situations. Edit: I'm not saying give Hayes 5mpg. It may come to that some point. But plan on giving him 30 sec-1 min per game/half. Make sure that he knows what to do with the starters if thats who he is out there with (and who he should be with). Let them practice together, not just with Hayes going in on the scout team.
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Post by richfame on Dec 20, 2014 15:06:23 GMT -5
On the lighter side of things our cheerleaders are much improved too! Especially the 1 smoking hot blonde one.. Just saying.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Dec 20, 2014 15:13:48 GMT -5
Hayes will see the floor when Josh and Hop are in foul trouble or we have a big lead. That's the way it should be.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 20, 2014 15:23:57 GMT -5
With all due respect, if Hayes is getting any playing time at "crunch time," we are in trouble.
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