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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 13, 2014 15:48:10 GMT -5
Quick Thoughts: - Radford isn't good, but we were also only favored by Pomeroy by 14. Winning by this much -- even with emptying the bench -- speaks to the defense.
- Still, you can see why we haven't been great in big games yet. So much of the offense in these comes off turnovers and the break and that's largely (and reasonably) drying up against teams better quipped to stop it.
- Given that, given how he's played, how about some more time for Bowen? It would have to come out of Peak and Trawick's time, but he's earned it. He brings energy, turnovers and a surprisingly inconsistent but accurate shot. His one-man-fast-break style may not work against better opponents, but I can shake the feeling that if he had played more versus Kansas that we win that game. He was the best player on the floor today.
- Hopkins played well, especially since he only made one super dumb mistake all game that I can remember. If he can do that against better opponents, he'll have a really good senior year. But this wasn't anywhere near his best game. Considering the opponent, he was better against Kansas. Creighton last year when he shut down McDermott. There was a Syracuse game or two where he played really well. Just has to keep up the decision making.
- Can I get a super cut of Paul White entry passes? Why is it so hard for everyone else and so damn easy for him? Throw in a couple of coast to coasts with it.
- Trawick played a 3 and D role today and it was good. I know people think of him as a slasher, but if he can hit the 3 and play defense, that's a hugely valuable role.
- Can we just get DSR to teach the team to shoot FTs? The care and time he takes at the line needs to be spread around.
- Hayes got his time and looked just fine. Not going to steal time from Smith or Hopkins, of course, but looks like he's better than emergency center.
- Thompson went with Hayes and the freshmen with the 30 point lead, and it wasn't pretty. Despite all playing decently with the upperclassmen, they collapsed together. I like that JTIII tried it and then brought in some stability pretty quickly when it was apparent that they weren't putting in the proper focus and effort.
- I like Tre, but I don't think he's anywhere near ready to play starter minutes.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 13, 2014 15:51:12 GMT -5
Sparse crowd at the Booth today, but luckily the Hoyas made it a stress-free game for virtually the entire afternoon. Team gave us everything I think we could have asked for: an early lead to get Cameron/Tre/Hayes some time to develop and gain some confidence (which each of them did), a chance for Bowen to show that his 3 minutes vs. KU was a mistake and that he can be a force on both ends of the floor as a high-energy guy coming off the bench, a bit of 3pt shooting confidence restored for Jabril, White/Copeland remaining active and aggressive, and a dominating defensive performance from Hop. I struggle to recall the last time we had 5 different guys dunk in the same game against any competition. We are an above-the-rim team now! Loved the way guys were attacking the rim today. DSR obviously was the glaring negative today in an otherwise great performance. The vastly improved depth and additional scoring options has bought him some time to shake off the slump without giving us too much worry against the cupcakes, but he looks like he could really use an energy boost. The legs just aren't there right now, and I don't know what the issue is. Also, without the benefit of the doubt of replay, if Cameron really did get contacted in the face without a flagrant, then I am officially done with that rule. If it's the letter of law, it isn't being followed. If it's official's discretion, we are getting the short end every time. Either get rid of the rule altogether (unless you can prove intent to injure without a doubt) or call it every time. He dove. Quite a bit of embellishment. I saw nothing...and I was biased to see it.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 13, 2014 16:02:44 GMT -5
Sparse crowd at the Booth today, but luckily the Hoyas made it a stress-free game for virtually the entire afternoon. Team gave us everything I think we could have asked for: an early lead to get Cameron/Tre/Hayes some time to develop and gain some confidence (which each of them did), a chance for Bowen to show that his 3 minutes vs. KU was a mistake and that he can be a force on both ends of the floor as a high-energy guy coming off the bench, a bit of 3pt shooting confidence restored for Jabril, White/Copeland remaining active and aggressive, and a dominating defensive performance from Hop. I struggle to recall the last time we had 5 different guys dunk in the same game against any competition. We are an above-the-rim team now! Loved the way guys were attacking the rim today. DSR obviously was the glaring negative today in an otherwise great performance. The vastly improved depth and additional scoring options has bought him some time to shake off the slump without giving us too much worry against the cupcakes, but he looks like he could really use an energy boost. The legs just aren't there right now, and I don't know what the issue is. Also, without the benefit of the doubt of replay, if Cameron really did get contacted in the face without a flagrant, then I am officially done with that rule. If it's the letter of law, it isn't being followed. If it's official's discretion, we are getting the short end every time. Either get rid of the rule altogether (unless you can prove intent to injure without a doubt) or call it every time. He dove. Quite a bit of embellishment. I saw nothing...and I was biased to see it. OK thanks for clarifying. Still not a fan of the rule, but can't fault today's crew then.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Dec 13, 2014 18:05:43 GMT -5
Is it me or does Reggie's baby looks just like John Wall?
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 13, 2014 18:17:18 GMT -5
Is it me or does Reggie's baby looks just like John Wall? Thought the same thing. Also watching Trey run and some of his movements, crazy similar to his dad.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Dec 13, 2014 18:53:56 GMT -5
Is it me or does Reggie's baby looks just like John Wall? Wall clone. It is freaky.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 13, 2014 19:36:56 GMT -5
Regarding Bowen, I have to assume that it's very much a matchup issue for JTIII. I don't know if he looks to use him more when he thinks AB's individual defensive assignment or the opposing team in general is more susceptible to his pressure and high-risk style. Or Coach might look to use AB if he thinks a team plays pressure defense against us such that we might get some good back-door looks for which AB is well suited. Of if the guy guarding Bowen is an athletic mismatch in our favor, such that Bowen can blow by. I don't know, and I'd have to really try to parse the games in which he's gotten lots of minutes and who he was up against to see if something along these lines is the rationale. But, regardless, I have to assume coach simply didn't think his game was well suited to Kansas. Other than that game, I think he's played fairly significant minutes each game. In any event, his play is just an enigma, and so it probably should be no surprise that his usage is, too. If nothing else, I'd be in favor of getting him involved early and seeing the effect he has. If there isn't any, or if it's negative, then rein in the usage in the second half. But his skill set is so different than anything else we have (Trawick comes closest on D and maybe Peak comes closest on O) that it's worth a shot each and every game.
We really did try to get DSR going this game, SF (or DSR did it on his own). We did at the start. And Coach even played him a lot more in the second half than you would have thought he would do given the score specifically (I assume) to try to get him on track.
I'm a bit surprised Peak is (generally) getting (slightly) more minutes than is White. I say that particularly based on defense where Peak, it seems to me, is right now the person most likely to completely lose his assignment on a given play.
No, Radford isn't good. But they're not terrible either. And this may turn out to be a great example of the perfect game to schedule -- a team whose RPI may be pretty decent by year's end (it is now and they're at least as good as virtually everyone left on their schedule) but really is no threat of any kind. It's hard to predict which teams those will be at the start of any given year, of course. But if you start with the premise that you're looking for an upper-half-of-the-league finisher from a low major conference that isn't projected to blow through their conference (and thus isn't a true threat to beat you), you should luck into a few. We may have here. (Charlotte appears to be significantly better than Radford and probably is a true threat, though we obviously should beat them. They may prove to be a similar very good scheduling decision....)
Someone earlier in the thread mentioned the pace, and pressing. I both agree and disagree. I do think this is a team that is capable of doing some damage with a press, and you have to work on it in game (even against a cupcake) to realistically be able to count on it later. So, in that spirit, I would have agreed that doing it for five minutes or so with specific personnel on the court would make sense. But, as a general matter, we have enough half-court defensive work to do that absolutely the primary focus should be on that.
Last game, someone discussed our inbound defense always being a 2-3 when the other team inbounds from under our hoop. In the first half, during a point in the game where we actually were playing a 2-3 as our base, we went to a man on an out-of-bounds play. It's the first time I can recall seeing that.
Good to see Hayes get some minutes. That exact scenario (Joshua in early foul trouble; Hopkins already has played lots of minutes in the first half) is precisely where he's needed and where he'll be necessary in the future (in addition to critical end-of-game situations due to foul issues). He was perfectly serviceable in that role (which I define to be a "hustle and don't screw things up" sort of role). You'd like to see Coach get him just one or two minutes in the first half of most games just to keep him in the flow even when Josh and Mikael aren't necessarily needing a break. That said, based on what we've seen, it's not realistic to think he's going to actually steal any of their (or Ike's) minutes. He just doesn't appear to have the strength to play the five consistently at this level.
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Post by njhoya78 on Dec 13, 2014 19:55:40 GMT -5
I learned a lot about Hayes, and his ability to contribute, today. He did get extended time (10 minutes) between the two halves, and played with a variety of teammates. He had a very good sequence in the first half on the offensive board, and did get into the general offensive flow. My one criticism, such as it is, is that he yielded defensive position far too easily. I don't know whether he was trying to stay out of foul trouble (not that he would get enough court time to pick up five fouls), or whether he just isn't physically strong enough to hold his own against opposing centers; I think the latter is more accurate than the former. He needs to spend some time in the weight room.
Did we see enough positives from him to say that he can contribute in a significant manner going forward? I'm not sure that we did. However, I am a little more comfortable with the idea of giving a little time (i.e. one or two minutes) to him in the first half, if we have foul trouble at the center slot.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 13, 2014 21:18:09 GMT -5
Good win today. I don't think we convinced anyone that we belong in the top 25,
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Post by tashoya on Dec 13, 2014 22:48:16 GMT -5
Good win today. I don't think we convinced anyone that we belong in the top 25, You could win by 60 against Radford and you'd still convince no one. I get your meaning but the good thing about today is that more lineups got time together. Not lineups that you'll necessarily see again in a BE game but still good for evaluation purposes.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 13, 2014 23:22:20 GMT -5
I learned a lot about Hayes, and his ability to contribute, today. He did get extended time (10 minutes) between the two halves, and played with a variety of teammates. He had a very good sequence in the first half on the offensive board, and did get into the general offensive flow. My one criticism, such as it is, is that he yielded defensive position far too easily. I don't know whether he was trying to stay out of foul trouble (not that he would get enough court time to pick up five fouls), or whether he just isn't physically strong enough to hold his own against opposing centers; I think the latter is more accurate than the former. He needs to spend some time in the weight room. Did we see enough positives from him to say that he can contribute in a significant manner going forward? I'm not sure that we did. However, I am a little more comfortable with the idea of giving a little time (i.e. one or two minutes) to him in the first half, if we have foul trouble at the center slot. He definitely could use more strength but I think Hayes was trying to play defense without fouling so he gives ground to the opposing player.. He just needs time on the court to get a feel for how physical he can be without being called for a foul imho.. As a faithful member of the "play" Hayes club I was happy to see him get meaningful time today and I hope JT3 continues to find time for him when possible.. The kid is obviously very raw but he's also very long & mobile and seems to have some upside.. This program will need him next season..
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 13, 2014 23:27:39 GMT -5
I learned a lot about Hayes, and his ability to contribute, today. He did get extended time (10 minutes) between the two halves, and played with a variety of teammates. He had a very good sequence in the first half on the offensive board, and did get into the general offensive flow. My one criticism, such as it is, is that he yielded defensive position far too easily. I don't know whether he was trying to stay out of foul trouble (not that he would get enough court time to pick up five fouls), or whether he just isn't physically strong enough to hold his own against opposing centers; I think the latter is more accurate than the former. He needs to spend some time in the weight room. Did we see enough positives from him to say that he can contribute in a significant manner going forward? I'm not sure that we did. However, I am a little more comfortable with the idea of giving a little time (i.e. one or two minutes) to him in the first half, if we have foul trouble at the center slot. He definitely could use more strength but I think Hayes was trying to play defense without fouling so he gives ground to the opposing player.. He just needs time on the court to get a feel for how physical he can be without being called for a foul imho.. As a faithful member of the "play" Hayes club I was happy to see him get meaningful time today and I hope JT3 continues to find time for him when possible.. The kid is obviously very raw but he's also very long & mobile and seems to have some upside.. This program will need him next season.. This.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 13, 2014 23:28:27 GMT -5
Quick Thoughts: - Radford isn't good, but we were also only favored by Pomeroy by 14. Winning by this much -- even with emptying the bench -- speaks to the defense.
- Still, you can see why we haven't been great in big games yet. So much of the offense in these comes off turnovers and the break and that's largely (and reasonably) drying up against teams better quipped to stop it.
- Given that, given how he's played, how about some more time for Bowen? It would have to come out of Peak and Trawick's time, but he's earned it. He brings energy, turnovers and a surprisingly inconsistent but accurate shot. His one-man-fast-break style may not work against better opponents, but I can shake the feeling that if he had played more versus Kansas that we win that game. He was the best player on the floor today.
- Hopkins played well, especially since he only made one super dumb mistake all game that I can remember. If he can do that against better opponents, he'll have a really good senior year. But this wasn't anywhere near his best game. Considering the opponent, he was better against Kansas. Creighton last year when he shut down McDermott. There was a Syracuse game or two where he played really well. Just has to keep up the decision making.
- Can I get a super cut of Paul White entry passes? Why is it so hard for everyone else and so damn easy for him? Throw in a couple of coast to coasts with it.
- Trawick played a 3 and D role today and it was good. I know people think of him as a slasher, but if he can hit the 3 and play defense, that's a hugely valuable role.
- Can we just get DSR to teach the team to shoot FTs? The care and time he takes at the line needs to be spread around.
- Hayes got his time and looked just fine. Not going to steal time from Smith or Hopkins, of course, but looks like he's better than emergency center.
- Thompson went with Hayes and the freshmen with the 30 point lead, and it wasn't pretty. Despite all playing decently with the upperclassmen, they collapsed together. I like that JTIII tried it and then brought in some stability pretty quickly when it was apparent that they weren't putting in the proper focus and effort.
- I like Tre, but I don't think he's anywhere near ready to play starter minutes.
Man is White fun to watch play, the kid just gets it.. He's on a pace to be very very good by seasons end.. Btw, how come the box score doesn't credit him for the 2 blocks he has today? Not that it's a big deal, I just don't see how the official scorer could miss both..
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 14, 2014 2:24:21 GMT -5
Quick Thoughts: - Radford isn't good, but we were also only favored by Pomeroy by 14. Winning by this much -- even with emptying the bench -- speaks to the defense.
- Still, you can see why we haven't been great in big games yet. So much of the offense in these comes off turnovers and the break and that's largely (and reasonably) drying up against teams better quipped to stop it.
- Given that, given how he's played, how about some more time for Bowen? It would have to come out of Peak and Trawick's time, but he's earned it. He brings energy, turnovers and a surprisingly inconsistent but accurate shot. His one-man-fast-break style may not work against better opponents, but I can shake the feeling that if he had played more versus Kansas that we win that game. He was the best player on the floor today.
- Hopkins played well, especially since he only made one super dumb mistake all game that I can remember. If he can do that against better opponents, he'll have a really good senior year. But this wasn't anywhere near his best game. Considering the opponent, he was better against Kansas. Creighton last year when he shut down McDermott. There was a Syracuse game or two where he played really well. Just has to keep up the decision making.
- Can I get a super cut of Paul White entry passes? Why is it so hard for everyone else and so damn easy for him? Throw in a couple of coast to coasts with it.
- Trawick played a 3 and D role today and it was good. I know people think of him as a slasher, but if he can hit the 3 and play defense, that's a hugely valuable role.
- Can we just get DSR to teach the team to shoot FTs? The care and time he takes at the line needs to be spread around.
- Hayes got his time and looked just fine. Not going to steal time from Smith or Hopkins, of course, but looks like he's better than emergency center.
- Thompson went with Hayes and the freshmen with the 30 point lead, and it wasn't pretty. Despite all playing decently with the upperclassmen, they collapsed together. I like that JTIII tried it and then brought in some stability pretty quickly when it was apparent that they weren't putting in the proper focus and effort.
- I like Tre, but I don't think he's anywhere near ready to play starter minutes.
Man is White fun to watch play, the kid just gets it.. He's on a pace to be very very good by seasons end.. Btw, how come the box score doesn't credit him for the 2 blocks he has today? Not that it's a big deal, I just don't see how the official scorer could miss both.. Our official scorer is atrocious with blocks.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 14, 2014 11:43:20 GMT -5
I learned a lot about Hayes, and his ability to contribute, today. He did get extended time (10 minutes) between the two halves, and played with a variety of teammates. He had a very good sequence in the first half on the offensive board, and did get into the general offensive flow. My one criticism, such as it is, is that he yielded defensive position far too easily. I don't know whether he was trying to stay out of foul trouble (not that he would get enough court time to pick up five fouls), or whether he just isn't physically strong enough to hold his own against opposing centers; I think the latter is more accurate than the former. He needs to spend some time in the weight room. Did we see enough positives from him to say that he can contribute in a significant manner going forward? I'm not sure that we did. However, I am a little more comfortable with the idea of giving a little time (i.e. one or two minutes) to him in the first half, if we have foul trouble at the center slot. He definitely could use more strength but I think Hayes was trying to play defense without fouling so he gives ground to the opposing player.. He just needs time on the court to get a feel for how physical he can be without being called for a foul imho.. As a faithful member of the "play" Hayes club I was happy to see him get meaningful time today and I hope JT3 continues to find time for him when possible.. The kid is obviously very raw but he's also very long & mobile and seems to have some upside.. This program will need him next season.. Fair point but, in reality, he doesn't need to worry about being too physical. He's not getting enough minutes for it to be a concern. He should go all out in the limited time he gets.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 14, 2014 11:44:16 GMT -5
Quick Thoughts: - Radford isn't good, but we were also only favored by Pomeroy by 14. Winning by this much -- even with emptying the bench -- speaks to the defense.
- Still, you can see why we haven't been great in big games yet. So much of the offense in these comes off turnovers and the break and that's largely (and reasonably) drying up against teams better quipped to stop it.
- Given that, given how he's played, how about some more time for Bowen? It would have to come out of Peak and Trawick's time, but he's earned it. He brings energy, turnovers and a surprisingly inconsistent but accurate shot. His one-man-fast-break style may not work against better opponents, but I can shake the feeling that if he had played more versus Kansas that we win that game. He was the best player on the floor today.
- Hopkins played well, especially since he only made one super dumb mistake all game that I can remember. If he can do that against better opponents, he'll have a really good senior year. But this wasn't anywhere near his best game. Considering the opponent, he was better against Kansas. Creighton last year when he shut down McDermott. There was a Syracuse game or two where he played really well. Just has to keep up the decision making.
- Can I get a super cut of Paul White entry passes? Why is it so hard for everyone else and so damn easy for him? Throw in a couple of coast to coasts with it.
- Trawick played a 3 and D role today and it was good. I know people think of him as a slasher, but if he can hit the 3 and play defense, that's a hugely valuable role.
- Can we just get DSR to teach the team to shoot FTs? The care and time he takes at the line needs to be spread around.
- Hayes got his time and looked just fine. Not going to steal time from Smith or Hopkins, of course, but looks like he's better than emergency center.
- Thompson went with Hayes and the freshmen with the 30 point lead, and it wasn't pretty. Despite all playing decently with the upperclassmen, they collapsed together. I like that JTIII tried it and then brought in some stability pretty quickly when it was apparent that they weren't putting in the proper focus and effort.
- I like Tre, but I don't think he's anywhere near ready to play starter minutes.
Man is White fun to watch play, the kid just gets it.. He's on a pace to be very very good by seasons end.. Btw, how come the box score doesn't credit him for the 2 blocks he has today? Not that it's a big deal, I just don't see how the official scorer could miss both.. He's had at least 2 that were credited to Hop prior to Radford as well.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 14, 2014 12:16:53 GMT -5
He definitely could use more strength but I think Hayes was trying to play defense without fouling so he gives ground to the opposing player.. He just needs time on the court to get a feel for how physical he can be without being called for a foul imho.. As a faithful member of the "play" Hayes club I was happy to see him get meaningful time today and I hope JT3 continues to find time for him when possible.. The kid is obviously very raw but he's also very long & mobile and seems to have some upside.. This program will need him next season.. Fair point but, in reality, he doesn't need to worry about being too physical. He's not getting enough minutes for it to be a concern. He should go all out in the limited time he gets. I think he went all out, I didn't see any lack of effort, it was more a lack of skill or know how.. He needs court time to get a better feel for the game.. His performance yesterday wasn't great but it wasn't awful either but best of all it provided some teaching moments that the staff can go over with him so he's better next time..
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Post by Talos on Dec 14, 2014 15:23:35 GMT -5
Quick Thoughts: - Radford isn't good, but we were also only favored by Pomeroy by 14. Winning by this much -- even with emptying the bench -- speaks to the defense.
- Still, you can see why we haven't been great in big games yet. So much of the offense in these comes off turnovers and the break and that's largely (and reasonably) drying up against teams better quipped to stop it.
- Given that, given how he's played, how about some more time for Bowen? It would have to come out of Peak and Trawick's time, but he's earned it. He brings energy, turnovers and a surprisingly inconsistent but accurate shot. His one-man-fast-break style may not work against better opponents, but I can shake the feeling that if he had played more versus Kansas that we win that game. He was the best player on the floor today.
- Hopkins played well, especially since he only made one super dumb mistake all game that I can remember. If he can do that against better opponents, he'll have a really good senior year. But this wasn't anywhere near his best game. Considering the opponent, he was better against Kansas. Creighton last year when he shut down McDermott. There was a Syracuse game or two where he played really well. Just has to keep up the decision making.
- Can I get a super cut of Paul White entry passes? Why is it so hard for everyone else and so damn easy for him? Throw in a couple of coast to coasts with it.
- Trawick played a 3 and D role today and it was good. I know people think of him as a slasher, but if he can hit the 3 and play defense, that's a hugely valuable role.
- Can we just get DSR to teach the team to shoot FTs? The care and time he takes at the line needs to be spread around.
- Hayes got his time and looked just fine. Not going to steal time from Smith or Hopkins, of course, but looks like he's better than emergency center.
- Thompson went with Hayes and the freshmen with the 30 point lead, and it wasn't pretty. Despite all playing decently with the upperclassmen, they collapsed together. I like that JTIII tried it and then brought in some stability pretty quickly when it was apparent that they weren't putting in the proper focus and effort.
- I like Tre, but I don't think he's anywhere near ready to play starter minutes.
Agreed on the Hayes and 4 freshmen lineup. I was happy to see that experiment, but they looked completely lost on offense. But I was glad he gave them a few minutes to practice what will probably be a lineup we see a lot next year. Agreed also on Tre. He really reminds me of a freshman Jason Clark. They are both about the same height/weight with long skinny arms. They both look quick and athletic too. However, even though they both seem like good athletes they both have a hard time staying in front of their man. Maybe it's just me, but Tre seems to overreact on defense and get out of position quickly. I'm also a bit disappointed in Tre's handle; I thought it was be much better. Instead, Tre's handle looks too high and loose. He looked a little shaky bringing the ball up against Radford's little PG. Glad to see Hayes look solid in his time. Granted it was against a small mid-major frontcourt, but still encouraging for next year.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 15, 2014 11:35:34 GMT -5
Good outing dsr starts hitting and away we go YUP ps dsr hits foul shots cause hes in the GYM AT SIX AM almost every day NOT NEED to teach him anything just bring everyone WITH HIM AT SIX AM every day go hoyas.
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