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Post by hiyasixa on Feb 18, 2016 9:10:32 GMT -5
As for Lubick and Hopkins, watching them play for four years was the most excruciatingly painful experience of my 50 years of Hoya watching. Apparently you stopped watching during the Esherick years. Also, tell us about the pre-JT2 years. Those must've been fun to watch, especially that 71-72 team.
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Post by hiyasixa on Feb 18, 2016 9:14:03 GMT -5
I think we can all see that this board's critiques and slams of Nate Lubick were unfounded. That glue guy helped win the Big East - and close down Syracuse in the carrier dome. There is more to basketball than flashy highlight reels. You will one day tell your kids about how great GT basketball was when Nate Lubick was on the team - the program will continue to decline....
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Feb 18, 2016 9:32:33 GMT -5
Would someone please write what he says about floor general? I can barely hear or understand it. If you listen really carefully, you can hear him say that having a floor general out on the court is overrated. He also says it's unnecessary to have a true PG on your squad. He closes by saying that Melo Trimble begged him to offer a scholarship to GU, but JT3 declined because he didn't want a PG of Trimble's caliber interfering with the Princeton offense. Wow, he didn't want a PG of Trimble's caliber Then again, Trimble was probably playing hardball with Maryland in regards to playing time and use GU as a fallback plan.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 18, 2016 9:34:47 GMT -5
If you listen really carefully, you can hear him say that having a floor general out on the court is overrated. He also says it's unnecessary to have a true PG on your squad. He closes by saying that Melo Trimble begged him to offer a scholarship to GU, but JT3 declined because he didn't want a PG of Trimble's caliber interfering with the Princeton offense. Wow, he didn't want a PG of Trimble's caliber Then again, Trimble was probably playing hardball with Maryland in regards to playing time and use GU as a fallback plan. I think you missed the sarcasm in that post
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Feb 18, 2016 9:36:25 GMT -5
Wow, he didn't want a PG of Trimble's caliber Then again, Trimble was probably playing hardball with Maryland in regards to playing time and use GU as a fallback plan. I think you missed the sarcasm in that post Ah, ok I was getting worried.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 18, 2016 10:08:01 GMT -5
Time for Tre to take a seat on the bench and swap roles with LJ.
Perhaps Tre will be better watching a little, seeing what the other team is doing, figuring how he can help in the match-up and then come in as the first guard off the bench. LJ has done well in this sixth man role, but I am not sure I see any other options. What is being done with Tre is not working and LJ will have to start next season, so he can start making the adjustment now.
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Post by gunny on Feb 18, 2016 11:08:42 GMT -5
Time for Tre to take a seat on the bench and swap roles with LJ. Perhaps Tre will be better watching a little, seeing what the other team is doing, figuring how he can help in the match-up and then come in as the first guard off the bench. LJ has done well in this sixth man role, but I am not sure I see any other options. What is being done with Tre is not working and LJ will have to start next season, so he can start making the adjustment now. They better go after a graduate transfer for next year. Next year will be worse if we go into the season with Peak, Tre, and Mosely as the guards. I do not want to hear about Johnson or White being guards. They will get destroyed on the defensive end.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 18, 2016 11:35:11 GMT -5
Tre has scored 13 points in the seven games since Xavier, and six points in the last six games. That includes 5 games without any points. He has more turnovers (5) in the last seven games than field goals (4).
It's just mind boggling how bad he's been this year.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 18, 2016 12:21:23 GMT -5
Tre has scored 13 points in the seven games since Xavier, and six points in the last six games. That includes 5 games without any points. He has more turnovers (5) in the last seven games than field goals (4). It's just mind boggling how bad he's been this year. Has he really scored 13 points since Xavier. I didn't think it was that much. If you take St. Johns games out of the mix, that number is what 3 points total. It would be one thing if he was contributing defensively but he has been the worst defender I've seen in a lot of years at Georgetown. I can't remember a worse defender in a Hoyas uniform. Cameron has physical limitations which limits his defensive ability but up until recently he had learned to play with more effort and energy to make up for his physical limitations. Tre has no physical limitations but something much more, he is mentally lost. Campbell is consistently in the wrong place in terms of help side defense and on the ball in space his man gets to wherever he wants to get. In pick roll he plays with no physicality and gets blown every play trying to fight over the screen leaving the defense completely broken down with the other teams guard getting down hill on our post player. Don't get me started on his fear of contact when driving to the basket. It's time for JT3 to admit they whiffed on Tre and make getting a free agent 5th year PG the most important priority for next season. Then he needs to tell Lykes that he will put the ball in his hands as a freshman to run the team even if Tre's on the roster. Mind boggling is a severe understatement!
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 18, 2016 14:24:05 GMT -5
Not sure if it is a lack of confidence or the coaches game plan, but for some reason Tre seems to get the ball in transition and push the ball up the floor quickly and then always pull the ball back out to run offense, which gives the opponent a chance to set it's defense. It just does not make sense for a guard with his quickness to not take advantage of every open floor opportunity he gets and try to get to the rim. He seems to get up a head of steam and have team mates running with him and just won't try to finish those transition chances. This team has needed to find ways to get easy offense all year and not taking these chances to get to the rim are killing them.
LJ goes to the the rim every chance he sees even the slightest opportunity, in the open floor or a half court set, and he sometimes ends up forcing up a bad shot but I would take that all day long over pulling it back out to run offense and then settling for a contested three at the end of the shot clock!!!!! I just don't get it!!!
Other than LJ, no one really tries to just beat their man and get to the rim on a consistent basis. they all seem content to just run their sets and hope to find an open shot. it is just not working!!!
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 18, 2016 14:32:09 GMT -5
Tre has scored 13 points in the seven games since Xavier, and six points in the last six games. That includes 5 games without any points. He has more turnovers (5) in the last seven games than field goals (4). It's just mind boggling how bad he's been this year. Has he really scored 13 points since Xavier. I didn't think it was that much. If you take St. Johns games out of the mix, that number is what 3 points total. It would be one thing if he was contributing defensively but he has been the worst defender I've seen in a lot of years at Georgetown. I can't remember a worse defender in a Hoyas uniform. Cameron has physical limitations which limits his defensive ability but up until recently he had learned to play with more effort and energy to make up for his physical limitations. Tre has no physical limitations but something much more, he is mentally lost. Campbell is consistently in the wrong place in terms of help side defense and on the ball in space his man gets to wherever he wants to get. In pick roll he plays with no physicality and gets blown every play trying to fight over the screen leaving the defense completely broken down with the other teams guard getting down hill on our post player. Don't get me started on his fear of contact when driving to the basket. It's time for JT3 to admit they whiffed on Tre and make getting a free agent 5th year PG the most important priority for next season. Then he needs to tell Lykes that he will put the ball in his hands as a freshman to run the team even if Tre's on the roster. Mind boggling is a severe understatement! He didn't actually score any points against St. Johns. He scored 7 pts at UConn, 3 points against Creighton and 3 points at Providence.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 18, 2016 17:11:01 GMT -5
Hate to pile on but the one clear fast break that Tre took to the hoop he missed the layup. He had 2 earlier fast breaks but in both instances pulled up at the 3point line and looked to set up the offense. I've been pilloried by several of you for my claim that JT3 really whiffed on Campbell and our lack of a true pg has probably cost us 4-5 games this year but last night was the last straw. What really burns me up is that Tre is getting almost as many minutes as LJ. What does JT3 see in him? I have been a big JT3 supporter over the years but this whole Tre thing, from recruiting him to playing him so much, is really making me question my support.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 18, 2016 17:11:24 GMT -5
Has he really scored 13 points since Xavier. I didn't think it was that much. If you take St. Johns games out of the mix, that number is what 3 points total. It would be one thing if he was contributing defensively but he has been the worst defender I've seen in a lot of years at Georgetown. I can't remember a worse defender in a Hoyas uniform. Cameron has physical limitations which limits his defensive ability but up until recently he had learned to play with more effort and energy to make up for his physical limitations. Tre has no physical limitations but something much more, he is mentally lost. Campbell is consistently in the wrong place in terms of help side defense and on the ball in space his man gets to wherever he wants to get. In pick roll he plays with no physicality and gets blown every play trying to fight over the screen leaving the defense completely broken down with the other teams guard getting down hill on our post player. Don't get me started on his fear of contact when driving to the basket. It's time for JT3 to admit they whiffed on Tre and make getting a free agent 5th year PG the most important priority for next season. Then he needs to tell Lykes that he will put the ball in his hands as a freshman to run the team even if Tre's on the roster. Mind boggling is a severe understatement! He didn't actually score any points against St. Johns. He scored 7 pts at UConn, 3 points against Creighton and 3 points at Providence. So the starting point guard is averaging A WHOMPING 1.62 POINTS OVER HIS LAST 8 GAMES.....OUTSTANDING!!!!!!
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Post by prhoya on Feb 18, 2016 17:29:12 GMT -5
What does JT3 see in him? On one of Tre's subs out of the game, the camera was on him and JT3 stopped him before going to the bench. Tre stopped to listen and discuss something with JT3, all the while with his arm around JT3's shoulders. I'm guessing JT3 trusts him...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 18, 2016 18:41:13 GMT -5
What does JT3 see in him? On one of Tre's subs out of the game, the camera was on him and JT3 stopped him before going to the bench. Tre stopped to listen and discuss something with JT3, all the while with his arm around JT3's shoulders. I'm guessing JT3 trusts him... Maybe, just maybe, the staff is actually trying to help Tre become a better player in whatever way they can. Weird thought.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 18, 2016 20:15:34 GMT -5
On one of Tre's subs out of the game, the camera was on him and JT3 stopped him before going to the bench. Tre stopped to listen and discuss something with JT3, all the while with his arm around JT3's shoulders. I'm guessing JT3 trusts him... Maybe, just maybe, the staff is actually trying to help Tre become a better player in whatever way they can. Weird thought. Haven't you heard? They haven't a clue. Get with it, man!
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 18, 2016 21:43:55 GMT -5
On one of Tre's subs out of the game, the camera was on him and JT3 stopped him before going to the bench. Tre stopped to listen and discuss something with JT3, all the while with his arm around JT3's shoulders. I'm guessing JT3 trusts him... Maybe, just maybe, the staff is actually trying to help Tre become a better player in whatever way they can. Weird thought. It's just a bit contradictory how on the one hand, people are clamoring for pt for Mourning (and I do agree he's probably earned some more consistent minutes) saying this season is over and we need to be thinking about the future. Then the staff tries to get Tre some significant, big game experience presumably in preparation for him having a significant role next year, and everyone kills them for it.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 18, 2016 21:50:52 GMT -5
Maybe, just maybe, the staff is actually trying to help Tre become a better player in whatever way they can. Weird thought. It's just a bit contradictory how on the one hand, people are clamoring for pt for Mourning (and I do agree he's probably earned some more consistent minutes) saying this season is over and we need to be thinking about the future. Then the staff tries to get Tre some significant, big game experience presumably in preparation for him having a significant role next year, and everyone kills them for it. Calling for Mourning to get more time because we need a backup center now with Hayes out and probably for next year too. Calling for Campbell to get less time because he is taking valuable time away from Peak, has gotten plenty of time and shown us nothing, and next year, if Campbell is our starting pg we are in big trouble.
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Post by Eurostar on Feb 18, 2016 22:04:40 GMT -5
Still think Tre has the skills to be a good PG in this league and in this offense. He, like the rest of the team, hasnt made the leap this year. Defense isn't great and he's not big enough like DSR or LJ to finish through contact. He could learn some of the head fake skills of Seton Hall to draw some fouls. He is struggling with a lack of confidence.
I still think that playing DSR at the PG all year is not using Tre to his best abilities as far as pushing the ball in transition. I for one would like to see more Tre and LJ in the game at the same time to prepare for next year. I don't know that DSR for 35+ minutes per game at this point helps us much.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 18, 2016 22:17:15 GMT -5
It's just a bit contradictory how on the one hand, people are clamoring for pt for Mourning (and I do agree he's probably earned some more consistent minutes) saying this season is over and we need to be thinking about the future. Then the staff tries to get Tre some significant, big game experience presumably in preparation for him having a significant role next year, and everyone kills them for it. Calling for Mourning to get more time because we need a backup center now with Hayes out and probably for next year too. Calling for Campbell to get less time because he is taking valuable time away from Peak, has gotten plenty of time and shown us nothing, and next year, if Campbell is our starting pg we are in big trouble. In the last 4 games LJ has played 26, 32, 29, and 32 minutes. Tre has played 23, 17, 15, and 21. Is he really taking that many minutes from LJ recently? Is LJ playing 35 minutes and Tre playing 15 really the solution to this team's problems? I don't buy it. At this point I'd rather see Tre and LJ on the floor together with DSR on the bench more.
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