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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 13, 2015 10:13:03 GMT -5
I'm not saying don't recruit him at all. At this point I wouldn't make him a priority though. I think we've got like a 1% shot here. I assume there's enough talent on his AAU team and Dematha to make checking out his games worth the time, but if we had more of a shot I'd be all for us going all in being 3 deep at all his games, but he just seems like a guy that will be going to a blue blood program. He doesn't seem to have any particular affinity for staying home doesn't seem like he was a Gtown or Maryland fan growing up. Seems like he'll be at Kentucky, Arizona, Duke, Kansas one of those 4 would be my guess.
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Post by hoyainspirit on May 13, 2015 10:16:10 GMT -5
You still must try at this point. There's no harm in staying in the race. Of course there is harm. You are taking away time from recruiting other kids. Maybe Bracey, whom we seem to think is leaning toward us, doesn't feel the love because we are following Fuktz. Agree to disagree on the harm.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on May 13, 2015 10:22:53 GMT -5
Disagree. Stay in there and keep fighting this battle. Why do you feel this way? Because A) we have no chance if we are not staying in the race, and B) I truly believe that we win one of these big-time battles for an elite recruit sometime soon. The guy could be a program-changing player. He is right there locally. For the love of mercy, we should be on him like white on rice, just shy of the point where he is looking for a restraining order.
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Post by IDenj on May 13, 2015 11:28:47 GMT -5
Ok. Showing interest is one thing; when Arizona, UK, KU or UNC/Duke make their "offer", we aren't competing. Especially with guards. Look I see your point. But if we want to step in the ring with these schools and win a battle, we better be playing on a level field. Which we aren't. So until those times I'm of the opinion Hoyas need to learn when to cut the cable. This sounds like one of those times.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 12:58:41 GMT -5
Even though all signs point to him going elsewhere I would definitely still stay in contact...
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Post by hoyazeke on May 13, 2015 15:32:10 GMT -5
We need this kid to be a late signer to have a legitimate chance. We need to have a big year and show that he can win big-time at home. It starts with beating the Twerps.....
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Post by CaliHoya on May 13, 2015 15:32:22 GMT -5
1) Anyone who says there is no cost in recruiting a player doesn't understand that our staff does not have unlimited time to recruit. Time spent on the phone or at a game with one recruit is less time to spend with other recruits. There is always a cost, just as there is with recruiting Fultz.
2) I agree there seems to be a 1% chance Fultz is a Hoya. To me, that's not enough of a chance to be worth the cost of recruiting him, even with his great potential. I'd rather be recruiting 3 Marcus Derrickson-type that are likely Hoya leans than 1 super long-shot Fultz and 2 Derricksons.
3) I don't think the reason Fultz is a 1% long shot is that he's a guard and we can't recruit guards. We can recruit guards, under the right circumstances. However, Fultz continually seems to lavish praise on blue bloods that don't resemble our program at all (Kentucky) and also seems to not want to stay at home, nullifying the local edge. As a Californian who didn't want to go to college in California, I totally get that there are many legitimate players where local is more of a negative than a positive.
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Post by IDenj on May 13, 2015 16:32:04 GMT -5
And my opinion on the matter is in no way a reflection of Fultz. I am sure he is a fine young man who has a bright future ahead of himself. I'd love for him to be a Hoya. But if his interests rest elsewhere then I just don't want our staff to to waste time.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 17:58:41 GMT -5
You don't concede your backyard to any program without a fight....
A couple texts a week and watching games at tourneys the staff would already be at for recruiting purposes isn't really that huge a deal
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on May 13, 2015 18:03:50 GMT -5
You don't concede your backyard to any program without a fight.... A couple texts a week and watching games at tourneys the staff would already be at for recruiting purposes isn't really that huge a deal My feelings exactly.
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Post by hoyarooter on May 13, 2015 18:13:35 GMT -5
Disagree. Stay in there and keep fighting this battle. Why do you feel this way? Because we have high hopes, we have high hopes, we have high apple pie in the sky hopes. Oops there goes another rubber tree plant.
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Post by IDenj on May 13, 2015 19:21:56 GMT -5
You don't concede your backyard to any program without a fight.... A couple texts a week and watching games at tourneys the staff would already be at for recruiting purposes isn't really that huge a deal Which says nothing to a recruit. Unless you are a BB that doesn't cut it.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on May 14, 2015 7:11:36 GMT -5
You don't concede your backyard to any program without a fight.... A couple texts a week and watching games at tourneys the staff would already be at for recruiting purposes isn't really that huge a deal I also would try to have an assistant at every local summer league game he plays. Maybe not 100%, but close to it. Worth it even if our chances are 5% or less.
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Post by hoyazeke on May 14, 2015 8:38:21 GMT -5
The reason the kid doesn't want Gtown is because he doesn't feel he can win, get press or get to the league out of our school. We need to start winning and I'm referring to a minimum of elite 8...........
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on May 14, 2015 8:41:24 GMT -5
The reason the kid doesn't want Gtown is because he doesn't feel he can win, get press or get to the league out of our school. We need to start winning and I'm referring to a minimum of elite 8........... And you know that how?
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Post by seaweed on May 14, 2015 8:53:15 GMT -5
The reason the kid doesn't want Gtown is because he doesn't feel he can win, get press or get to the league out of our school. We need to start winning and I'm referring to a minimum of elite 8........... And you know that how? dude, everybody knows that!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 9:42:35 GMT -5
You don't concede your backyard to any program without a fight.... A couple texts a week and watching games at tourneys the staff would already be at for recruiting purposes isn't really that huge a deal Which says nothing to a recruit. Unless you are a BB that doesn't cut it. Not sure I follow but there's nothing wrong with continuing to build a relationship with DC Blue Devils or maintaining a presence at Dematha. Also this may not be the last time Fultz is recruited, good to have relationships in place just in case things change...
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Post by IDenj on May 14, 2015 10:06:47 GMT -5
True. Meant that only schools like Kentucky Kansas Tabaco Road can show minimal interest and get away with it. Hoyas need to be all in to get a kids attention.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 11:38:15 GMT -5
True. Meant that only schools like Kentucky Kansas Tabaco Road can show minimal interest and get away with it. Hoyas need to be all in to get a kids attention. Gotchya... The thing is that's actually showing a good amount of interest. Couple messages a week and showing up to a private workout is showing a lot of attention tbh. So much of this stuff is done on Facebook/twitter etc that you literally can recruit a kid on your Iphone while enjoying your morning coffee eating eggs and bacon. www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/sports/facebook-and-twitter-become-the-norm-in-recruiting.html?_r=0The difference is a team like Kentucky can show up at the last minute after having 0 relationship with a kid, get an official and subsequently a commitment.
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Post by Talos on May 14, 2015 16:57:11 GMT -5
If he wasn't local, I'd say we are definitely wasting our time even sending him one text message a week. But since he's local and they don't have to travel, I'm ok with them keeping in touch to keep the lines of communication open. Although I definitely don't see the point in making him a top priority, for all the reasons already mentioned. I think the reason some posters are concerned about us spending time recruiting him is the recent history of pushing hard for kids we had no chance with (Rabb, Skal, Dorsey, Bacon, etc.). The bottom line is the staff better have plenty of good back-up options if they continue to work on this kid.
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