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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 8, 2005 0:42:47 GMT -5
Yeah, JerseyHoya is taking this very seriously. He's making me watch what I say and all, haha. I don't know, as long as Hoya Blue is being run by really devoted people who will give their all to this next year I'll be happy.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 8, 2005 2:14:09 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, why hasn't Hoya Blue sent out an email to the entire club about this meeting? It seems like they should.
My friend who works at SAC was saying they couldn't, but, well, she's not all that good at speaking English, so I tend to take her assertions with a grain of salt. Anyone know if the lack of HB promotions is b/c of SAC rules or b/c they're trying to keep it quiet?
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Post by Joe Hoya on Apr 8, 2005 3:40:53 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, why hasn't Hoya Blue sent out an email to the entire club about this meeting? It seems like they should. My friend who works at SAC was saying they couldn't, but, well, she's not all that good at speaking English, so I tend to take her assertions with a grain of salt. Anyone know if the lack of HB promotions is b/c of SAC rules or b/c they're trying to keep it quiet? Well, if it was being publicly announced that your leadership of your group flat-out sucked and it was being overhauled, would you want to publicize it? I figure they haven't sent out an email (not like I would get it anyway) simply because those running it now have no desire to facilitate any changes. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 8, 2005 8:23:24 GMT -5
People are trying to railroad an election for a school spirit group. Only at Georgetown.  When you assume, you make an... I'd rather not see "more of the same," so I am taking this election as a great opportunity for some meaningful change. |
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Post by Joe Hoya on Apr 8, 2005 9:49:44 GMT -5
When you assume, you make an... I'd rather not see "more of the same," so I am taking this election as a great opportunity for some meaningful change. Seems like you do a good job of that yourself sometimes.  It was a joke, bud. Seems like everyone else saw it as such, too. Take a chill pill or seven. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 8, 2005 11:38:31 GMT -5
Seems like you do a good job of that yourself sometimes. It was a joke, bud. Seems like everyone else saw it as such, too. Take a chill pill or seven. I admit to being controversial and coming across as an ***. I don't mind being characterized as such because presenting my arguments as they exist is what interests me. If those arguments make people unhappy or uncomfortable, fine. Some of them are intended to do so. I also know that some people only respond to others who are equally asinine or come across as such, and you happen to be one of them, and others have communicated this on the board. If my arguments make people happy and feel good about themselves, that's fine as well because some of them are intended to do so. I also read everything literally on this board. If you intend to communicate something, I assume that your intention is to communicate something exactly as it has been written. I am not a psychic, so I cannot read your mind or your "facial expressions." Anyway, I hope you turn out to the meeting. The Eagles' season is over, so there are no excuses. |
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 8, 2005 11:50:56 GMT -5
Anyway, I hope you turn out to the meeting. The Eagles' season is over, so there are no excuses. Oh snap...it's a walk off! |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 8, 2005 12:03:51 GMT -5
Oh snap...it's a walk off! I don't mean to invalidate Joe's original excuse. I accepted it at face value and indicated as such in the thread on the subject. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 8, 2005 12:59:09 GMT -5
Oh snap...it's a walk off! Cambridge, you had me laughing out loud at work and mumbling something unintelligble about how great Billy Zane is. |
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 8, 2005 13:27:25 GMT -5
I don't mean to invalidate Joe's original excuse. I accepted it at face value and indicated as such in the thread on the subject. Jersey, listen to your friend Billy "SF" Zane, he's a cool dude. He's trying to help you out. |
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Post by Joe Hoya on Apr 8, 2005 13:48:29 GMT -5
Sometimes I shake my head at how people can drag legitimate threads into the muck by taking everything, including themselves, too seriously.
Other times, I do it myself.
It's clear to me that whenever I make a post, something in it makes your blood boil to the point that you cannot resist answering back. That's fine. But it was pretty clear to everyone that I was joking, and if you couldn't discern that, then there is nothing I can do except shake my head, like I said above.
I planned on attending the meeting, but I really think it would be more of a frsutrating experience than anything else. It's not like I'm firmly on one side or the other, between the current leadership (which plain sucks), and those on the board planning to take over the group (because it is clear that I seem to disagree with everyone on most things, and even when I don't it is portrayed as if I do). I'd rather see the Students of HoyaTalk running Hoya Blue than whoever runs it now, but I'd much rather see a faction of people who I agree with more in charge (obviously). Unfortunately I have not found many (or any) others in that camp, so there is no place for me in the whole process. I understand this unfortunate reality, because that is how life works. I say it's unfortunate because as a wide-eyed freshman, when I first heard about the existence of Hoya Blue, I thought it would be the perfect organization for me to join and take an active role in. Apparently I was much more naive in my younger days. Now, I understand that I am merely one person, and beyond that, one person with (apparently) drastically different views on how to best do things. There's no point in trying to break into group leadership (I'd probably be the Hoya Blue Election equivalent of Pat Buchanan or something), but at least this forum gives me a chance to get in the ears of those who will likely be taking over. Sure they usually disagree, but obviously they aren't ignoring me. Or what football team I root for.
That said, I'll probably be there to observe what goes down so that I can whine about...I mean, comment on it...afterwards.
And that's enough with the Eagles stuff. I don't care what you say, but you're the one constantly bringing it up, which indicates to me that the success of my favorite football team compared to the futility of your own gnaws at you. Don't bother trying to refute that, you will not convince me otherwise, so don't waste everyone's time. Either that or you're merely trying to bait me, which also wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 8, 2005 13:53:00 GMT -5
Darnit, Jersey, now you've gone and lost Kurt the coveted "Curmudgeon" vote. You guys really need to use the IM button. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 8, 2005 13:55:57 GMT -5
Darnit, Jersey, now you've gone and lost Kurt the coveted "Curmudgeon" vote. You guys really need to use the IM button. From the way he describes it, it sounds more like the "silent majority." |
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 8, 2005 14:04:12 GMT -5
Just in response to your point about wanting people who would agree with you more to be in charge:
In terms of actual school spirit and sports promotions I don't know that we really disagree that much. Either way though, I know that I would be extremely open to your suggestions and Im sure others that I know would be as well if they were elected.
I just want you to know that even though we've had plenty of disagreements about various little stuff, I want to be open to advice from everyone who is dedicated to this and wants to be involved.
It's not too late for you to get involved in Hoya Blue, maybe you'll still be able to take that active role that you hoped for as a freshman.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 8, 2005 14:04:39 GMT -5
Sometimes I shake my head at how people can drag legitimate threads into the muck by taking everything, including themselves, too seriously. Other times, I do it myself. It's clear to me that whenever I make a post, something in it makes your blood boil to the point that you cannot resist answering back. That's fine. But it was pretty clear to everyone that I was joking, and if you couldn't discern that, then there is nothing I can do except shake my head, like I said above. I planned on attending the meeting, but I really think it would be more of a frsutrating experience than anything else. It's not like I'm firmly on one side or the other, between the current leadership (which plain sucks), and those on the board planning to take over the group (because it is clear that I seem to disagree with everyone on most things, and even when I don't it is portrayed as if I do). I'd rather see the Students of HoyaTalk running Hoya Blue than whoever runs it now, but I'd much rather see a faction of people who I agree with more in charge (obviously). Unfortunately I have not found many (or any) others in that camp, so there is no place for me in the whole process. I understand this unfortunate reality, because that is how life works. I say it's unfortunate because as a wide-eyed freshman, when I first heard about the existence of Hoya Blue, I thought it would be the perfect organization for me to join and take an active role in. Apparently I was much more naive in my younger days. Now, I understand that I am merely one person, and beyond that, one person with (apparently) drastically different views on how to best do things. There's no point in trying to break into group leadership (I'd probably be the Hoya Blue Election equivalent of Pat Buchanan or something), but at least this forum gives me a chance to get in the ears of those who will likely be taking over. Sure they usually disagree, but obviously they aren't ignoring me. Or what football team I root for. That said, I'll probably be there to observe what goes down so that I can whine about...I mean, comment on it...afterwards. And that's enough with the Eagles stuff. I don't care what you say, but you're the one constantly bringing it up, which indicates to me that the success of my favorite football team compared to the futility of your own gnaws at you. Don't bother trying to refute that, you will not convince me otherwise, so don't waste everyone's time. Either that or you're merely trying to bait me, which also wouldn't surprise me. If it was clear to everyone, why didn't people laugh? Some sense of humor... Cambridge has gotten more laughter out of his follow-up to my post, so I figure my sense of humor or his can't be all that off. The "Eagles" card is going to be a hard one to shake off. I haven't played it at all because I viewed it as a valid excuse, although I know others have been persistent in bringing it up. I wouldn't call your football team successful either. They should have been in the Super Bowl with their talent. I haven't discussed the Eagles on site, but I followed McNabb when he was in college, and one thing he has never done is win a big game with his back against the wall. Glad to hear that you're turning out. I appreciate your perspective as much as I disagree with it, believe it or not. |
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Post by Cambridge on Apr 8, 2005 14:05:37 GMT -5
From the way he describes it, it sounds more like the "silent majority." Oh great, Pat Robertson's gonna be there?!? Man, I thought we would get through this without having to discuss the moral majority. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 8, 2005 14:07:14 GMT -5
Oh great, Pat Robertson's gonna be there?!? Man, I thought we would get through this without having to discuss the moral majority. And if its Friday, its Meet the Press. I understand that Jerry Falwell was in hospital last week, so he can't turn out. |
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Post by FLHoya on Apr 8, 2005 14:09:27 GMT -5
In the hopes of putting an end to the fussin' and fightin', I think something I wrote about a month ago applies pretty well here. It's part of the final non-game observations I did for the Providence game. Some of it happens to also come close to explaining my views on the Hoya Blue "thing" on Tuesday:
"I could list a whole bunch of fans that have entertained me during the course of the year–everything from folks in seersucker and popped collars to blue wigs and body paint. But that’s not really the point I think needs to be made.
I tried to bring out two main themes in my columns this summer. One of them was this:
“Every student is significant when it comes to creating a strong fan base, and accordingly any successful strategy for promoting the basketball team (or any sports team) must take advantage of the broadest number of students possible.”<br>
Georgetown student fans come in all shapes and sizes–and indeed, probably at the MCI Center more than most college arenas, you’re likely to see a kid in seersucker and popped collars standing next to a kid with a blue wig and his face painted. In fact, I pretty much was last night now that I think about it. There’s a lot of different ways to go about being a student fan. In fact, just among my close friends I count the kid who thought up the idea for and the design of this year’s “We Are Georgetown” student section shirts, and a kid who hates the design so much he refuses to wear the shirt and gave his away. But each of them is equally important to making the student section as a whole work better.
We know by now that our team’s offense tends to struggle when it moves away from playing team basketball and putting in the extra off the ball effort, and starts settling for individual jump shooting. You need the whole team on the same wavelength to be successful and work as a unit. Likewise, our student section cannot function to the best of its abilities unless we’re all on the same page.
One of the things I saw this year that I didn’t like were all those debates about fans with face-paint vs. fans who don’t stand up and who’s a “better fan”. It’s nonsense. The answer to the question is–we’re all important fans, but we’re only as good as the sum of the parts, which is only going to get better if we WORK TOGETHER and stop complaining about who’s a better fan.
Before the Villanova game, I overheard a kid having a conversation next to me. He gestured towards the front row at the kids in the wigs and face paint and pronounced them to be bad fans only looking to get their faces on camera, who wouldn’t know Allen Ray from Ray Charles (my example, he’d have come up with something better). I cut in the conversation with a simple suggestion–why don’t you actually go talk to them? I knew he’d prove himself wrong. But the point was–this was a kid who also sat in the front row. And apparently hated the kids sitting 10 people away from him. We cannot have this in the student section.
We had some fun a few weeks ago with 007 and JoeHoya fighting in a thread on this board, and I even jokingly offered to mediate a summit meeting between them at the Tombs. Of course it was a joke that I knew neither of them would take me up on. But the point was semi-serious–I know both of them, I know they’re both as dedicated as they come, and I know they both have a great deal to contribute idea-wise to the student section. And yet they have completely different philosophies on being a fan, and they hate each other’s guts. If you could just get them–if you could just get every wig-kid and popped collar fan, every beer-n-straw fan and every fan who thinks they’re too good to jump up and down during free throws, every excited freshman and every jaded Esherick-obsessed Senior–to work together, we can do some great things.
I propose that next year, task number 1 for anybody in charge of promotions is to get everyone on campus together and start getting them excited about Hoya basketball. And start getting everyone’s input on how to make the student section a better place. The day that we can put all of the petty differences in philosophy aside and agree that, yes, we can all make it “cool” to actually show up and cheer and yeah, act a little silly for two hours...come on popped collar kids, I know you have it in you...is the day that our student section is going to truly arrive.
The plus side of course is, like John Thompson III, the student section has a great young crop of players coming back next year. And I’m sure a great batch of recruits to boot. I think there’s definitely something to build on."
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Post by GUHoya07 on Apr 8, 2005 14:10:34 GMT -5
Jersey, I know this is gonna sound weird coming from me cause I've often been just as guilty of continuing stupid arguments, but lets try to stop it already.
This is pointless, use this thread to discuss the future of HB, not this stuff.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 8, 2005 14:15:09 GMT -5
Just in response to your point about wanting people who would agree with you more to be in charge: In terms of actual school spirit and sports promotions I don't know that we really disagree that much. Either way though, I know that I would be extremely open to your suggestions and Im sure others that I know would be as well if they were elected. I just want you to know that even though we've had plenty of disagreements about various little stuff, I want to be open to advice from everyone who is dedicated to this and wants to be involved. It's not too late for you to get involved in Hoya Blue, maybe you'll still be able to take that active role that you hoped for as a freshman. Is it just me, or is 007 extending an olive branch to Joe Hoya here? This is monumental!!! There will be Peace in our Time!!! I don't even know what to do. It's like watching the Israelis and Palestinians make peace at Camp David We are seeing history unfold before us. I hope everyone appreciates this. |
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