TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 28, 2014 9:45:45 GMT -5
I think it's a little bit unfair to call recruiting an "absolute disaster." Sure, if you want to focus on the summer only, then it wasn't great but that completely ignores our commitments from Derrickson and Govan, who will be important pieces to our future success. Also, we did get Dickerson, and I don't think it's the staff's fault he decided to decommit 2 weeks after visiting campus and saying he couldn't wait to be there the following year (that shows you how the 16 or 17 year old mind works). While I wanted Fall, I really don't think his loss is a huge deal. He likely would have been playing behind Govan anyway, so it's doubtful he would have seem meaningful minutes until 2016-2017 or beyond. If we can land another high quality big man in the class of 2016, suddenly Fall's loss isn't a big one. Really, we are only a quality guard away from having a really good class. If we get Dozier, great. If not, then we'll need to wait until the spring and see if anybody emerges or if anybody decommits and becomes interested in coming to Georgetown. The last 2 years have been one of the best recruiting stretches in recent times, when you consider the fact that we are no longer in a football conference, we actually require our players to go to class, our facilities are poor (until the TAC is built) and by March, it will have been nearly 8 years since we saw the second weekend of the NCAA tournament. For years, we all complained that the assistant coaches weren't doing enough on the recruiting trail - JT3 fixed that with great results. Now, it's time for the on-court performance to improve. The best way to get recruits is to win. Sure, there is a lot of shady stuff in the recruiting world, but the surefire way to win recruiting battles is to put a winning basketball team on the floor every single year, including the NCAA tournament. We have fallen short on that score in recent years, and now it's time to turn that around. If we do, recruits will come. Really, once the IAC is built, NCAA success will be the only missing piece w/r/t recruiting. That and a Hoya guard that goes in the lottery. We've already got the NBA draft results to attract high quality bigs and wings. Just need an NBA guard and some NCAA success.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 10:14:19 GMT -5
Why would you think it means that we're in good shape on Dozier - he's going on ESPN to announce. We're not getting him. This means maybe - if we're lucky - we sign Robinson and a depth guy. More likely it would mean two depth guys. Recruiting has been an absolute disaster from the point which Noah backed out to now. A true statement...but still too early to call this election. IF/when the Skal and/or Dozier choose to go elsewhere, it will be tough for any of us to disagree. I disagree… Btw at this stage 4 years ago we had signed Hopkins and Trawick…. Guys break out over the season, coaches get fired during the season thus freeing up players, some kids won’t sign ther loi this fall. We could still end up with impact players just have to let things play out. Finally we have signed 6 top 100 kids in the last 2 years that’s the best stretch we’ve had in a long time tbh…
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Post by Talos on Oct 28, 2014 10:35:15 GMT -5
I think it's definitely too early to call this 2015 class a disaster. There is still a lot of time and we already have a very strong talent base on the roster for the next few years. On the other hand, I don't think it's too early to start being a little concerned. Since the Noah decommit, we have missed out on all our targets and there are very few top 100 talents left. And regarding the two big targets we have left, Skal and Dozier, I think it's safe to say we are the longshot in both situations. Now it's possible we can find an underrated, diamond in the rough prospect later in the year. Or maybe nab a decommit from a program that goes on probation or loses its coach. But those are unpredictable situations and it's not usually a good idea to put your eggs in that basket. We had a great start to the 2015 class with Govan and Derrickson, but if the last two in this class are just depth guys or projects then it will be a decent but not a great class. In order to be a perennial power, with Final Four aspirations every year, I think it's important to consistently string together strong classes year after year.
That being said, none of us know what goes on behind the scenes with the recruiting of these kids. The staff has put in a ton of work on the recruiting trail over the past year and has been unafraid of targeting top 30 talent and competing with the big-time schools. Unfortunately, that work hasn't paid off since the Govan commitment. The bottom line is even if our 2015 class can't compare to schools like Kentucky, Cuse, Memphis, AZ, etc; I'd still much rather be a fan of a team like G'town and a coach like JTIII.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 28, 2014 10:45:33 GMT -5
I don't think TC said the '15 class is a disaster - he said that since the Noah decommit, recruiting has been a disaster. He is not off-base; since then we have had no commits , and we have seen quite a few guys we were after go elsewhere. Maybe "disaster" is a little strong, but the results have certainly been disappointing.
That said, obviously there is a long way to go. I am not sure whether III's reference to 2 more recruits meant 2 specific targets he expects to commit, as opposed to the general idea that we are going to give 2 more scholarships, with no specifics at this point. We will just have to see how it plays out. The staff certainly appears to be doing everything it can.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 28, 2014 11:21:58 GMT -5
I also think it's tough to judge a "disaster" because we don't know what the staff's expectations were. For example, there were a number of guard recruits that passed on us over the summer. But, in many cases, it seemed like Georgetown had cooled on them, or vice-versa. It's very feasible that we view some of these "misses" negatively, whereas the staff might have had a good reason for passing on somebody.
All that being said, I am sure the staff is well aware of the fact that we need somebody at guard, and I am sure they will be working to identify late bloomers, etc.
Still, a two year haul of Copeland, Peak, White, Campbell, Mourning, Govan, and Derrickson is pretty impressive, and it's not over yet. If we could repeat that cycle every two years, we'd be in great shape, and likely top contenders every year.
I would be among the people who would probably rather see a scholarship remain empty than filling it with somebody for the sake of having another body on the roster, though I'll admit we probably need to bring in one more guard to give us enough depth in case of injury and to avoid a situation where a walk-on gets extended time, like last year.
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Post by jwp91 on Oct 28, 2014 11:22:24 GMT -5
I am just ready to start watching Hoyas basektball.
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Post by beenaround on Oct 28, 2014 11:46:15 GMT -5
A true statement...but still too early to call this election. IF/when the Skal and/or Dozier choose to go elsewhere, it will be tough for any of us to disagree. I disagree… Btw at this stage 4 years ago we had signed Hopkins and Trawick…. Guys break out over the season, coaches get fired during the season thus freeing up players, some kids won’t sign ther loi this fall. We could still end up with impact players just have to let things play out. Finally we have signed 6 top 100 kids in the last 2 years that’s the best stretch we’ve had in a long time tbh… YaBoy...I am glad to see you disagree. Much of my knowledge of Hoya recruiting comes from your insights...so if you are still optimistic about the class of 15...so am I!
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 28, 2014 11:54:54 GMT -5
Jesus, TC, back off the ledge. I'm not on a ledge. I said a couple of posts ago that we have a respectable class coming in, and I've probably been the least high on Tacko Fall than anyone in this entire thread. That said, we need to recognize that recruiting this summer has been a total disaster and the same old chase the top 10 guys for four months as our primary targets and come up with nothing. Well, TC, IIRC, you have been known to be overly pessimistic in the game threads, even in the first half. I think it just must be your posting personality...
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 28, 2014 11:58:46 GMT -5
I disagree… Btw at this stage 4 years ago we had signed Hopkins and Trawick…. Guys break out over the season, coaches get fired during the season thus freeing up players, some kids won’t sign ther loi this fall. We could still end up with impact players just have to let things play out. Finally we have signed 6 top 100 kids in the last 2 years that’s the best stretch we’ve had in a long time tbh… YaBoy...I am glad to see you disagree. Much of my knowledge of Hoya recruiting comes from your insights...so if you are still optimistic about the class of 15...so am I! IMO, the class of '15 has already been a huge success. Govan and Derrickson have the potential to be excellent players for us.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Oct 28, 2014 12:20:39 GMT -5
The front-court looks fantastic but we really need to sign some guards...we all saw what an unbalanced offense (the Starks and DSR show) can do to a team. Jabril is gone after this year, as is Bowen- if DSR lives up to his preseason B.E. POY hype, he could be gone as well. Leaving us with Tre Campbell, LJ Peak (ballhandling/ distributing not his strength)and I guess Paul White in our back-court, with ZERO depth behind them.
We'd be shoving square pegs into round holes. Not ideal.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Oct 28, 2014 12:20:42 GMT -5
Ahhhh...there may be 2 Sum Rahndim Doods in the 2015 class. Can't wait to meet the doods.
Copeland Peak White Campbell Mourning Govan Derrickson
That's quite a haul for us in 2 consecutive recruiting years. Noting close to a disaster, even if we flame out on the remainder of 2015 class.
Joey Brown and Robert Churchwell and Charles Harrison and Lonny Harrell and Lamont Morgan and Eric Micoud and Irvin Church and Kevin Millen and John Jacques and Pascal Fleury and Bryan Kelly were disasters.
Honestly, Alonzo should have been soooooo Editeded at JT, Jr.'s recruiting effort post 1989.
We're not in the same galaxy right now.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Oct 28, 2014 13:09:45 GMT -5
Wait...what?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 13:11:02 GMT -5
I disagree… Btw at this stage 4 years ago we had signed Hopkins and Trawick…. Guys break out over the season, coaches get fired during the season thus freeing up players, some kids won’t sign ther loi this fall. We could still end up with impact players just have to let things play out. Finally we have signed 6 top 100 kids in the last 2 years that’s the best stretch we’ve had in a long time tbh… YaBoy...I am glad to see you disagree. Much of my knowledge of Hoya recruiting comes from your insights...so if you are still optimistic about the class of 15...so am I! I like the pieces we have so far and we just have to see how the rest plays out. That’s really all I’m saying.
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Post by TC on Oct 28, 2014 13:12:47 GMT -5
Well, TC, IIRC, you have been known to be overly pessimistic in the game threads, even in the first half. I think it just must be your posting personality... You're entitled to your opinion, but I honestly think you are thinking of someone else. Game threads aren't generally my thing. I think the only areas where I've been more pessimistic or negative then the board in general about have been : - Esherick - Anthony Perry - Broadus - Bradley Hayes - hoyaballa and whether he had any credibility - scheduling RPI 300+ ranking creampuffs (might as well not play a game) - McDonough hot dogs
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 28, 2014 13:38:31 GMT -5
Ahhhh...there may be 2 Sum Rahndim Doods in the 2015 class. Can't wait to meet the doods. Copeland Peak White Campbell Mourning Govan Derrickson That's quite a haul for us in 2 consecutive recruiting years. Noting close to a disaster, even if we flame out on the remainder of 2015 class. Joey Brown and Robert Churchwell and Charles Harrison and Lonny Harrell and Lamont Morgan and Eric Micoud and Irvin Church and Kevin Millen and John Jacques and Pascal Fleury and Bryan Kelly were disasters. Honestly, Alonzo should have been soooooo Editeded at JT, Jr.'s recruiting effort post 1989. We're not in the same galaxy right now. I see your point Ranch...but do you really consider Joey Brown a disaster? I don't.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 28, 2014 13:50:28 GMT -5
Ahhhh...there may be 2 Sum Rahndim Doods in the 2015 class. Can't wait to meet the doods. Copeland Peak White Campbell Mourning Govan Derrickson That's quite a haul for us in 2 consecutive recruiting years. Noting close to a disaster, even if we flame out on the remainder of 2015 class. Joey Brown and Robert Churchwell and Charles Harrison and Lonny Harrell and Lamont Morgan and Eric Micoud and Irvin Church and Kevin Millen and John Jacques and Pascal Fleury and Bryan Kelly were disasters. Honestly, Alonzo should have been soooooo Editeded at JT, Jr.'s recruiting effort post 1989. We're not in the same galaxy right now. I see your point Ranch...but do you really consider Joey Brown a disaster? I don't. IMO, there are others on the list who were far from disasters, though some were.
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Post by dreamhoya on Oct 28, 2014 14:06:35 GMT -5
Well, TC, IIRC, you have been known to be overly pessimistic in the game threads, even in the first half. I think it just must be your posting personality... You're entitled to your opinion, but I honestly think you are thinking of someone else. Game threads aren't generally my thing. I think the only areas where I've been more pessimistic or negative then the board in general about have been : - Esherick - Anthony Perry - Broadus - Bradley Hayes - hoyaballa and whether he had any credibility - scheduling RPI 300+ ranking creampuffs (might as well not play a game) - McDonough hot dogs Bradley Hayes won't be on your list before all's said and done.
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Post by blueandgray on Oct 28, 2014 14:17:24 GMT -5
You're entitled to your opinion, but I honestly think you are thinking of someone else. Game threads aren't generally my thing. I think the only areas where I've been more pessimistic or negative then the board in general about have been : - Esherick - Anthony Perry - Broadus - Bradley Hayes - hoyaballa and whether he had any credibility - scheduling RPI 300+ ranking creampuffs (might as well not play a game) - McDonough hot dogs Bradley Hayes won't be on your list before all's said and done. And neither should Broadus. The guy is as committed as anyone in the program.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 28, 2014 14:59:49 GMT -5
I don't think TC said the '15 class is a disaster - he said that since the Noah decommit, recruiting has been a disaster. He is not off-base; since then we have had no commits , and we have seen quite a few guys we were after go elsewhere. Maybe "disaster" is a little strong, but the results have certainly been disappointing. That said, obviously there is a long way to go. I am not sure whether III's reference to 2 more recruits meant 2 specific targets he expects to commit, as opposed to the general idea that we are going to give 2 more scholarships, with no specifics at this point. We will just have to see how it plays out. The staff certainly appears to be doing everything it can. This I just hope the two more recruits he thought we'd be signing weren't Rabb and Fall. That would be super awkward.
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Post by beenaround on Oct 28, 2014 15:09:15 GMT -5
Joey Brown was a little warrior and Charles Harrison played well, after transferring to Wake Forest, perhaps? Churchwell was never great, but certainly a worthwhile contributor. I believe he may have even played a bit in the NBA. IF we get "stuck" with players of that talent level for the last two spots...I'd sign up for it.
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