Filo
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Post by Filo on Oct 28, 2014 15:47:57 GMT -5
Holy guacamole, Tacko! The Hoyas were nacho first choice, after all...
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Oct 28, 2014 15:50:57 GMT -5
Ahhhh...there may be 2 Sum Rahndim Doods in the 2015 class. Can't wait to meet the doods. Copeland Peak White Campbell Mourning Govan Derrickson That's quite a haul for us in 2 consecutive recruiting years. Noting close to a disaster, even if we flame out on the remainder of 2015 class. Joey Brown and Robert Churchwell and Charles Harrison and Lonny Harrell and Lamont Morgan and Eric Micoud and Irvin Church and Kevin Millen and John Jacques and Pascal Fleury and Bryan Kelly were disasters. Honestly, Alonzo should have been soooooo Editeded at JT, Jr.'s recruiting effort post 1989. We're not in the same galaxy right now. I see your point Ranch...but do you really consider Joey Brown a disaster? I don't. As individuals, some of those players were not disasters, but as a collective bunch, the long list provides evidence of 2-3 disaster recruiting classes that must have been brutally painful for Alonzo. He deserved better.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 28, 2014 17:29:18 GMT -5
Disaster? That's and incredibly short and arbitrary time period to call anything a disaster. The class is what should be ranked, not a four month period in the recruiting process. The entire premise of the comment is just pointless.
And no class with Jessie Govan (#46) and Marcus Derrickson (#80) is going to be a disaster.
2011 - F (#34), C (#80), CF (UR ~ #125), FG (UR ~ #125), FG (UR ~ Local up and comer) 2012 - G (#37), FG (UR - might have been decently ranked had he stayed in his class), C (Project), C (Project) 2013 - F (#75), C (surprise transfer of former AA)
2014 - F (#28), F (#51), G (#62), G (UR ~ #125), C (UR) 2015 - C (#46), F (#80)
In our most recent classes, it's actually quite regular to get a surprise commit (Porter, Whittington, Smith, Mourning). As others have pointed out, the 2011 class was essentially made in the Spring.
But in a bigger picture, even if we end up signing a couple of borderline Top 100 guys, this class is still well above disastrous and significantly better than 2012 and 2013. No, it's not likely at this point to be a repeat of 2014. But it's not a thin class yet.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 28, 2014 18:13:28 GMT -5
Agree SF - but of course the big question is whether we get "borderline top 100" kids, or just 2 lower rated " projects". We have 2 very good recruits; it is just that with those 2 plus this year's freshmen we want to keep that momentum going.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 28, 2014 18:13:49 GMT -5
Not to defend TC but he didn't call the 2015 class or the 2014 class a disaster.. Folks keep taking his post out of context..
Here's exactly what he posted on page 10 of this thread.. "Recruiting has been an absolute disaster from the point which Noah backed out to now. Govan and Derrickson and two nobodies is still a respectable class, but this was shaping up to be a game changing class in the spring and it moved backwards rather than forwards with the Noah decommit."
I wouldn't have emphasized disaster by pairing the word "absolute" with it but who on here doesn't feel a lot of disappointment with how the recruiting season has played out since July?
There's still a lot of time left to complete the 2015 class and it could very well still end up great but right now the staff's momentum has stalled..
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 28, 2014 18:57:59 GMT -5
Not to defend TC but he didn't call the 2015 class or the 2014 class a disaster.. Folks keep taking his post out of context.. Here's exactly what he posted on page 10 of this thread.. "Recruiting has been an absolute disaster from the point which Noah backed out to now. Govan and Derrickson and two nobodies is still a respectable class, but this was shaping up to be a game changing class in the spring and it moved backwards rather than forwards with the Noah decommit."I wouldn't have emphasized disaster by pairing the word "absolute" with it but who on here doesn't feel a lot of disappointment with how the recruiting season has played out since July? There's still a lot of time left to complete the 2015 class and it could very well still end up great but right now the staff's momentum has stalled.. I understood. My point is that his comment is pointless. Four months of recruiting CAN'T, by definition, be a disaster. You know why? Because despite that stretch, our class is still pretty good. The very use of the word disaster means something that you can't really recover easily from. Except we were in a place where four months of no commitments isn't great, but eh. we still have a good class. How can something be "a disaster" if the net outcome isn't even close to a negative? It's like if a team is up 3-0 in a 7 game series and loses game 4 in the most horrific manner possible. No batter how much they lose game 4 by -- 7,000 to 1 -- it still can't be a disaster. There's just a distinct lack of perspective and a ridiculous sense of expectation about how likely each recruit is to commit. Let me put it this way: if we had had no recruits in April and everything since then occurred and now we just got Govan and Derrickson this week, no one would be calling any stretch a disaster.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 28, 2014 21:01:02 GMT -5
Not to defend TC but he didn't call the 2015 class or the 2014 class a disaster.. Folks keep taking his post out of context.. Here's exactly what he posted on page 10 of this thread.. "Recruiting has been an absolute disaster from the point which Noah backed out to now. Govan and Derrickson and two nobodies is still a respectable class, but this was shaping up to be a game changing class in the spring and it moved backwards rather than forwards with the Noah decommit."I wouldn't have emphasized disaster by pairing the word "absolute" with it but who on here doesn't feel a lot of disappointment with how the recruiting season has played out since July? There's still a lot of time left to complete the 2015 class and it could very well still end up great but right now the staff's momentum has stalled.. I understood. My point is that his comment is pointless. Four months of recruiting CAN'T, by definition, be a disaster. You know why? Because despite that stretch, our class is still pretty good. The very use of the word disaster means something that you can't really recover easily from. Except we were in a place where four months of no commitments isn't great, but eh. we still have a good class. How can something be "a disaster" if the net outcome isn't even close to a negative? It's like if a team is up 3-0 in a 7 game series and loses game 4 in the most horrific manner possible. No batter how much they lose game 4 by -- 7,000 to 1 -- it still can't be a disaster.
There's just a distinct lack of perspective and a ridiculous sense of expectation about how likely each recruit is to commit. Let me put it this way: if we had had no recruits in April and everything since then occurred and now we just got Govan and Derrickson this week, no one would be calling any stretch a disaster. Why can't it be? Losing by 6,999 in a game is a disaster for that game in my eyes and people would wonder how/if they can recover from such a bad loss.. I fully acknowledged that the recruiting season isn't over and that the staff can still take a good class with Derrickson & Govan and turn it it to the very good or great one most of us were hoping for.. Honestly, it won't be easy for the staff to get the class back to the Derrickson, Dickerson & Govan + level it was at in July..
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 28, 2014 21:41:33 GMT -5
Not to defend TC but he didn't call the 2015 class or the 2014 class a disaster.. Folks keep taking his post out of context.. Here's exactly what he posted on page 10 of this thread.. "Recruiting has been an absolute disaster from the point which Noah backed out to now. Govan and Derrickson and two nobodies is still a respectable class, but this was shaping up to be a game changing class in the spring and it moved backwards rather than forwards with the Noah decommit."I wouldn't have emphasized disaster by pairing the word "absolute" with it but who on here doesn't feel a lot of disappointment with how the recruiting season has played out since July? There's still a lot of time left to complete the 2015 class and it could very well still end up great but right now the staff's momentum has stalled.. This kind of "disaster" backlash was inevitable though considering some people on here really thought that we would have a class with Rabb, Alonzo Trier, Govan, Derrickson, Dickerson. Unrealistic expectations like that are bound to lead to heavy disappointment.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 28, 2014 23:41:31 GMT -5
I understood. My point is that his comment is pointless. Four months of recruiting CAN'T, by definition, be a disaster. You know why? Because despite that stretch, our class is still pretty good. The very use of the word disaster means something that you can't really recover easily from. Except we were in a place where four months of no commitments isn't great, but eh. we still have a good class. How can something be "a disaster" if the net outcome isn't even close to a negative? It's like if a team is up 3-0 in a 7 game series and loses game 4 in the most horrific manner possible. No batter how much they lose game 4 by -- 7,000 to 1 -- it still can't be a disaster.
There's just a distinct lack of perspective and a ridiculous sense of expectation about how likely each recruit is to commit. Let me put it this way: if we had had no recruits in April and everything since then occurred and now we just got Govan and Derrickson this week, no one would be calling any stretch a disaster. Why can't it be? Losing by 6,999 in a game is a disaster for that game in my eyes and people would wonder how/if they can recover from such a bad loss.. I fully acknowledged that the recruiting season isn't over and that the staff can still take a good class with Derrickson & Govan and turn it it to the very good or great one most of us were hoping for.. Honestly, it won't be easy for the staff to get the class back to the Derrickson, Dickerson & Govan + level it was at in July.. Because it's essentially incorrect to use a word like disaster in the context of such a small time period or area of effect. It simply can't be disastrous. Disaster. n. a calamitous event, especially one occurring suddenly and causing great loss of life, damage, or hardship, as a flood, airplane crash, or business failure.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 29, 2014 7:36:19 GMT -5
Wouldn't be Hoyatalk with out a battle over semantics. Although perhaps battle is too strong a word.
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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 29, 2014 8:09:18 GMT -5
Wouldn't be Hoyatalk with out a battle over semantics. Although perhaps battle is too strong a word. Yeah, I think "quarrel" would be much more appropriate in this context.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Oct 29, 2014 8:22:37 GMT -5
Back to this Tacko kid, maybe he thought with Govan coming in and Hayes here, he wouldn't see time until junior year (probably realistic) and he didn't see himself as a future pro basketball player so why not get some minutes and stay near home. Reasonable I guess. With all the big wings we've got along with Govan/Hayes, I don't think there is a great need in this class for another big although it couldn't hurt. As referenced in other threads, with our core of players we are in good shape and with someone like Dozier, it becomes great. Feeling good about recruiting, schedule, and now just need to see it on the court.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 29, 2014 9:02:22 GMT -5
Probably a very good move for this kid. Hoya expectations are high right now and a 7'5" project may find that there is less patience with his development than might be the case at a program with lower aspirations. In recent years big men who are projects have not seen much playing time--Hayes and Bolden.
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Post by Cambridge on Oct 29, 2014 13:47:36 GMT -5
Wouldn't be Hoyatalk with out a battle over semantics. Although perhaps battle is too strong a word. Yeah, I think "quarrel" would be much more appropriate in this context.
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Oct 29, 2014 14:11:51 GMT -5
Probably a very good move for this kid. Hoya expectations are high right now and a 7'5" project may find that there is less patience with his development than might be the case at a program with lower aspirations. In recent years big men who are projects have not seen much playing time--Hayes and Bolden. I just don't think Tacko's far off - at least not if playing for GU. Because he'll be taught things that'll help him to become more well-rounded. I'm a little disappointed about this one. I don't get the sense that JTIII was 100% in with him. Also, something apparently happened for the commit because of the timing of every thing.... But, moving on....
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Just Cos
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Post by Just Cos on Oct 29, 2014 22:40:25 GMT -5
Time to move on. Hope the kid develops but we have so much to look forward to. Will not let a few bumps take away from all that has been good.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 31, 2014 9:56:07 GMT -5
Tacko who?
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 11, 2014 17:16:50 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 11, 2014 17:33:13 GMT -5
Was that gif from when Tacko visited and played Josh? Everyone gets dunked on. I would still take a 7'6" person and sad we missed on him.
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Post by dreamhoya on Dec 12, 2014 22:35:21 GMT -5
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