skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Apr 6, 2014 11:21:45 GMT -5
looks like III is conducting player talks and we now know what is up with his Seniors. I hope we hear about his sophs soon.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Apr 6, 2014 11:34:22 GMT -5
Assuming that Smith is eligible, he returns with many of the questions from this year. Weight and conditioning and how he will fit within the Hoya scheme. I believe that the Hoyas need another big, even if Smith returns. His offense will be a threat. His defense could continue to be a liability and so too the propensity to foul. Possibly the Hoyas could go without a traditional center and use Copeland and White in a lineup that includes Bowen or Trawick as strong rebounding small forwards.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Apr 6, 2014 17:41:51 GMT -5
We need Smith and Bradley--and another big.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 6, 2014 17:55:20 GMT -5
Adam Zagoria @adamzagoria 2h Georgetown transfer Moses Ayegba is looking at LIU, Nebraska, Pepperdine, Indiana, Towson, Indiana St & Wichita St, per his mentor
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 6, 2014 18:54:39 GMT -5
Adam Zagoria @adamzagoria 2h Georgetown transfer Moses Ayegba is looking at LIU, Nebraska, Pepperdine, Indiana, Towson, Indiana St & Wichita St, per his mentor Pepperdine? Pepperdine?? 15-16 last year in the West Coast Conference. . .at least the view of the Pacific is spectacular. Otherwise, this sounds like a Bernard McGuirk "What doesn't belong and why" routine on Imus in the Morning.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 6, 2014 20:19:39 GMT -5
Adam Zagoria @adamzagoria 2h Georgetown transfer Moses Ayegba is looking at LIU, Nebraska, Pepperdine, Indiana, Towson, Indiana St & Wichita St, per his mentor Pepperdine? Pepperdine?? 15-16 last year in the West Coast Conference. . .at least the view of the Pacific is spectacular. Otherwise, this sounds like a Bernard McGuirk "What doesn't belong and why" routine on Imus in the Morning. I don't know what's more surprising... the inclusion of LIU and Pepperdine or that anyone still listens to Imus. He's still alive? Wow. Best of luck to Moses wherever he goes.
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GUMBA
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Post by GUMBA on Apr 6, 2014 20:26:02 GMT -5
Why not live in Malibu and check out California? Better weather than the great mid-west (Nebraska, Indiana, Indiana St & Wichita St). If he couldn't average more than 1.9 points a game in the Big East, transferring to a Big Ten school isn't going to help him. Let's face it, the guy will never be a pro here in the U.S. and would probably struggle in the better European leagues. If he wants another year under his belt in a U.S. college where he can build his resume and numbers, Pepperdine might not be that bad a place to land. I agree that it doesn't match the pedigree of the other programs but I'm not sure that is the issue. The other questions is where will he get major minutes?
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Apr 6, 2014 21:50:47 GMT -5
I hpe Josh returns, but we all thought Whit would return. We did?
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Post by This Just In on Apr 6, 2014 22:05:18 GMT -5
Adam Zagoria @adamzagoria 2h Georgetown transfer Moses Ayegba is looking at LIU, Nebraska, Pepperdine, Indiana, Towson, Indiana St & Wichita St, per his mentor I hope him and his mentor choose Townson..gets to stay in the DMV area and they can develop his game probably better than anywhere else he could go All they have to do is show Moses a before and after tape of Jerrelle Benimon and that should seal the deal..
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 7, 2014 5:04:18 GMT -5
Why not live in Malibu and check out California? Better weather than the great mid-west (Nebraska, Indiana, Indiana St & Wichita St). If he couldn't average more than 1.9 points a game in the Big East, transferring to a Big Ten school isn't going to help him. Let's face it, the guy will never be a pro here in the U.S. and would probably struggle in the better European leagues. If he wants another year under his belt in a U.S. college where he can build his resume and numbers, Pepperdine might not be that bad a place to land. I agree that it doesn't match the pedigree of the other programs but I'm not sure that is the issue. The other questions is where will he get major minutes? Agreed. He's graduated. Go where the minutes take you and if it happens to be in Malibu, how bad is that?
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Apr 7, 2014 6:06:35 GMT -5
Adam Zagoria @adamzagoria 2h Georgetown transfer Moses Ayegba is looking at LIU, Nebraska, Pepperdine, Indiana, Towson, Indiana St & Wichita St, per his mentor I hope him and his mentor choose Townson..gets to stay in the DMV area and they can develop his game probably better than anywhere else he could go All they have to do is show Moses a before and after tape of Jerrelle Benimon and that should seal the deal.. Except Benimon sat out a year, worked on his game, and had 2 years of eligibility left. Moses will be playing immediately and has one year left. I wish the kid well, but he is what he is at this point, and frankly I'm glad to not have to suffer through any more of his minutes in a Hoya uniform.
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dreamhoya
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 7, 2014 9:24:49 GMT -5
Had the same feeling about Benimon as I had about Sims and Bowen and BJ and others their freshman years.... The raw tools were there for Benimon. Not saying he's a world beater but he has a chance to get an NBA look. For Moses, I don't see a major growth.
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Post by This Just In on Apr 7, 2014 9:55:12 GMT -5
Had the same feeling about Benimon as I had about Sims and Bowen and BJ and others their freshman years.... The raw tools were there for Benimon. Not saying he's a world beater but he has a chance to get an NBA look. For Moses, I don't see a major growth. Think about this Jerrelle Benimon went from playing behind Nate Lubick to getting an invite to an all-star game to play with Markel Starks... Furthermore, he will get a look from the NBA even if it is D-League... It has worked out for him.
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Post by This Just In on Apr 7, 2014 9:56:21 GMT -5
Had the same feeling about Benimon as I had about Sims and Bowen and BJ and others their freshman years.... The raw tools were there for Benimon. Not saying he's a world beater but he has a chance to get an NBA look. For Moses, I don't see a major growth. Who is BJ?? I am not familiar with the initials
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 7, 2014 10:37:08 GMT -5
He should be thinking what majors they offer and what is their alumni network like. A Gtown/Pepperdine degrees would be pretty nice. Unless he wants to play a bit part for a tourney team, I would pursue the best academic/graduate program possible.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Apr 7, 2014 11:06:41 GMT -5
He should be thinking what majors they offer and what is their alumni network like. A Gtown/Pepperdine degrees would be pretty nice. Unless he wants to play a bit part for a tourney team, I would pursue the best academic/graduate program possible. In some respects, that's my perspective, too. Seems like many folks have concluded that his next school decision will/should be basketball driven. Moses may actually have some other considerations in mind, so his apparently curious possibilities may reflect that, rather than basketball. And why not? Brother should plan for his future, no?
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Post by OldHoyafan on Apr 7, 2014 14:51:19 GMT -5
I hope III is not pinning his hopes next year on a "slimmed down, in shape physically and academically" Smith. I think "the way" and MCI have been critical of III not recruiting players that fit his systems, offensively and defensively. He has in the pass recruited players who were good shooters but bad defensive players or good defenders but not good shooters. He has for the first time four players coming in at the same time who are great athletes who can score, run , press and play man or matchup zone defense. All that is lacking is a quality big man manning the center position. I do not think Smith will be able to fit within his system offensively or defensively because of his inability to get in shape and move up and fiend the court fir more than 3 times without coming out for a breather? I hope Zi am wrong, but don't think so. III will have to change his whole system to accommodate his strengths and weaknesses. Now I believe 3 of the incoming class(White, Copeland, and Peak) chose Georgetown because of the way Otto flourished in this system. If it now is going to be a "Charles Barkley" throw it into the post and let him dribble 10 times before he dies something offense, then the talents of the aforementioned 3 might be affected. Let's hope for an athletic big is coming in next year to run with the incoming class.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 7, 2014 17:14:03 GMT -5
I hope III is not pinning his hopes next year on a "slimmed down, in shape physically and academically" Smith. I think "the way" and MCI have been critical of III not recruiting players that fit his systems, offensively and defensively. He has in the pass recruited players who were good shooters but bad defensive players or good defenders but not good shooters. He has for the first time four players coming in at the same time who are great athletes who can score, run , press and play man or matchup zone defense. All that is lacking is a quality big man manning the center position. I do not think Smith will be able to fit within his system offensively or defensively because of his inability to get in shape and move up and fiend the court fir more than 3 times without coming out for a breather? I hope Zi am wrong, but don't think so. III will have to change his whole system to accommodate his strengths and weaknesses. Now I believe 3 of the incoming class(White, Copeland, and Peak) chose Georgetown because of the way Otto flourished in this system. If it now is going to be a "Charles Barkley" throw it into the post and let him dribble 10 times before he dies something offense, then the talents of the aforementioned 3 might be affected. Let's hope for an athletic big is coming in next year to run with the incoming class. I agree that John Thompson III should not rely on Smith to the detriment of everybody else (to be fair, I think he had to rely on Smith this past year because he did not have many offensive pieces to work with), but if Smith is likely to be eligible, then I think you need to integrate him and take advantage of his strengths, most notably his ability to score in the post. The problem is that Smith is the best we have. Unless we get a quality 5th year transfer (unlikely) or a last-minute solid 2014 big man (also unlikely), we are going to enter next year with Smith, Hopkins, and Hayes. Of those three, Smith is without a doubt the best of the lot right now, and I think you need to plan to integrate him along with the others. John Thompson III has shown an ability and willingness to alter the system based on his personnel. He did it in 2010-2011, when it was very much guard based, and again this past year, after Smith became ineligible. Not much of what we did in the Big East games approximated the Princeton offense used in the Green and Hibbert era. I am really not worried about this at all. If we have the talent, John Thompson III will use it effectively. But, I think that has to include Smith if he's eligible since he's valuable. If he can slim down, he would be even more valuable. Again, I don't dispute that it would be nice to get an athletic big guy who can rebound and shoot, but there is virtually no chance we are going to land someone for the 2014-2015 season who fits those qualifications. We really need to do that for the following recruiting class, though.
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Post by boxout05 on Apr 7, 2014 17:41:57 GMT -5
I thought JT elder said he was the best shot blocker he had ever seen (or something like that). Too bad we never saw that come to fruition. He did "since Ewing" and Moses was a great shot blocker in H.S. yep too bad Did he mean PEJ?
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 7, 2014 17:48:58 GMT -5
I think that we can legitimately question, at this juncture, whether JT3 can successfully recruit centers for his offensive scheme (whatever you wish to call it). The track record in recent years has not been beyond reproach. Grant you, the jury may still be out on Joshua Smith, but that was a transfer which, to date, has not proven worthwhile. Hopkins is not a center, although he has been forced into that position. We don't have enough information about Hayes yet (maybe I'm being charitable). We are losing the recruiting wars right now. Until we start bringing in centers that can play, we really can't call ourselves "Big Man U." anymore. In the same vein, when was the last time we made one of our centers a millionaire? Maybe Greg Monroe gets there, but is Henry Sims in that line?
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